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jaz1069
02-20-2002, 03:16 PM
A few weeks ago this thread was running hot, but now I find it deleted. Oh well...I had made the point that I believe that the two Korea's would eventually unite. I was lambasted, torched, and scorned. Well, this is from today's Drudge Report...



SEOUL, South Korea -- President George W. Bush wrapped up a trip to South Korea assuring his hosts he supported their diplomatic efforts to bring North and South Korea closer.

While offering unconditional talks with Pyongyang and eschewing any intention to invade North Korea, Bush's call for freedom and openness threw down a gauntlet that communist leader Kim Jong-il is unlikely to pick up.

"Certainly Bush and President Kim Dae-jung want to have dialogue with North Korea as soon as possible, so chances are open to North Korea any time," Yu Suk-ryul, professor at the Institute of Foreign Affairs and National Security in Seoul told Reuters news agency.

"But North Korea knows what the U.S. wants to talk about and they cannot solve those problems through dialogue at this moment," he said.

The Bush administration has proposed comprehensive talks with Pyongyang that would include its missile and nuclear programmes as well as the conventional threat from the world's fourth largest army, much of it deployed near the militarised border.

Analyst Paik Jin-hyun said Bush's expression of sympathy for the North Korean people's lack of food and freedom would be especially troubling for Kim Jong-il and his leadership.

"Bush's saying he differentiates the North Korean regime from the North Korean people will really scare North Korea," said Paik, a North Korea expert at Seoul National University.

Evil axes
Seeking to clarify for the South Koreans his characterization of North Korea as part of an "axis of evil" with Iran and Iraq, Bush carefully avoided the phrase he first used in his State of the Union address last month.

But he did manage a comment about some "axes" of evil while at the Demilitarized Zone between the two Koreas.

Visible from the bunker where he stood, a North Korean "peace museum" sits just across the border. And inside the peace museum are displayed axes used by North Korean soldiers to attack a U.S. tree-trimming crew in 1976. Two Americans died.

"The axes that were used to slaughter two U.S. soldiers are in the peace museum," Bush said. "No wonder I think they're evil."

Later Wednesday, in a speech delivered from the Dorasan train station, the last South Korean stop on a railway line severed since the 1950-53 Korean War, Bush said he hopes to see a Korean peninsula "one day united in commerce and cooperation, instead of divided by barbed wire and fear."

"People on both sides of this border want to live in freedom and dignity, without the threat of violence and famine and war. I hope that one day soon this hope will be realized. And when the day comes, all the people of Korea will find in America a strong and willing friend," he said.

But, he added, "we must not permit the world's most dangerous regimes to threaten us with the world's most dangerous weapons."

Bush said South Korean President Kim Dae-jung had taken him to a road he built that "abruptly ends" at the DMZ -- what Bush described as a reminder "of the challenges to peace and stability on the Korean Peninsula."

"That road has the potential to bring the peoples on both sides of this divided land together. And for the good of all the Korean people, the North should finish it," Bush said.

"Traveling south on that road, the people of the North would see, not a threat, but a miracle of peaceful development -- Asia's third-largest economy, risen from the ruins of war."

Before his address, Bush signed one of the ties to the unfinished railroad, with the message, "May this railroad unite Korean families."

Seoul reopened its portion of the rail line last week and has urged the North to do the same.

Bush in the Blue House

The Korean DMZ is one of the most heavily fortified border regions in the world
Bush got a firsthand glimpse of the North when he toured "Camp Bonifas" in the DMZ and ate lunch with U.S. troops Wednesday.

Afterward, as reporters were escorted under heavy security to the newly rebuilt station -- located 500 meters south of the southern boundary of the heavily fortified DMZ -- South Korean troops could be seen patrolling the fields nearby.

Lt. Charles Levine of the U.S. Army, one of the 37,000 U.S. servicemen and women who help protect South Korea from its communist neighbor, said the security situation is "no joke" with some of North Korea's million man army, weapons and equipment just across the 4-kilometer deep demilitarized zone.

"Twenty-four hours a day, we are on the highest alert," Levine said.

Early Wednesday, Bush met with Kim at Blue House, the presidential residence where Kim sought clarification from Bush about the administration's placing North Korea in the "axis of evil."

Kim told reporters afterward that he remains committed to his long-standing policy of engagement with the communist North and that the United States also is committed to his "sunshine policy."

Bush said he welcomed the North to talk, but "so far there has been no response." The U.S. president alluded to his "axis of evil" statement without reiterating it.

"Some in this country obviously have read about my very strong comments about the nature of the regime. And let me explain why I made the comments I did. I love freedom. I understand the importance of freedom in peoples' lives."

"I am troubled by a regime that tolerates starvation. I worry about a regime that is closed and not transparent," he said.

The meeting came amid extremely tight security in Seoul, where left-wing activists protesting Bush's visit clashed with police.

Bush's visit to South Korea is the second stop on a three-nation tour of Asia. He will next visit China; his first stop on the trip was to Japan.


I sit here awaiting all appologies!:D

John

JasBourne
02-20-2002, 03:55 PM
""I am troubled by a regime that tolerates starvation. I worry about a regime that is closed and not transparent," he said. "

:D :D :D

That Dubya cracks me up. I'd have the emaciated old lady down on the corner who is sparechanging the passing traffic ask Dubya if he's going to open up the negotiations for post 9/11 corporate subsidizing to the media, but I'm afraid he'll be unavailable at a "secure undisclosed location". ;)

Stranger
02-20-2002, 04:16 PM
Jas,

I admit that there are hungry people across the United States, but to compare the plight of the American hungry to the level of famine in North Korea is a bit of an overstatement. There is hunger, and there is HUNGER . There is little evidence of the latter in the US.

PS I'm glad you are active on the boards again. :)

JasBourne
02-20-2002, 04:41 PM
There is hunger, and there is HUNGER . There is little evidence of the latter in the US.

Matter of degrees, yes, although there are kids in our inner cities that might have issue with such degrees.

I just said all that 'coz I dislike Dubya, and the quote did crack me up ;)

Stranger
02-20-2002, 05:09 PM
That's cool, I'm not defending Dubya or his choice of words.

Without even touching on the feeble and awkward plans our government has in place to ease the plight of the hungry.....
I'm talking about a much more serious food deprivation.

I just think sometimes we forget about the options we have in this country that are totally non-existant in some nations.

In the US, the skinny lady on the corner will get more than enough money to feed herself everyday in that cup. There is enough surplus income that she can reasonably expect that if she holds out a cup, some people will throw in money.
In North Korea, there is no surplus income. Because basic human needs are allegedly provided for by the State, people are paid a lot less in terms of pocket money. What little they have does not end up in somebody else's cup.

In the US, when the skinny lady gets the money, she can walk into countless stores and fastfood places and consume enough food to fend off malnutrition.
In North Korea, even if you manage to scrounge up some spare change, there is nothing to buy in the stores. If you do find food to buy (very rare), it is of a MUCH lower quality than even the c-rap served in Mickey D's. In some countries you can walk for quite some time without seeing any food options at all. Somebody posted on this forum a picture of a litle kid that had died of starvation after crawling for miles towards an aid camp (unfortunately he died about a mile short). We don't have that kind of hunger here.

I'm not trying to say that people aren't hungry here in the US, and I'm defintely not suggesting we should be patting ourselves on the back, but there is still a significant step down to get to the point where people are droppng dead from starvation left and right.

I see what you are saying though, any day when you're struggling to get some food is a bad day. :(

JasBourne
02-20-2002, 07:59 PM
You know what, you are 100% correct, and thank you for reminding me. :o

I've just gone over to the Hunger Site (http://www.hungersite.com) and clicked, something I have not done in ages. It is a very small gesture, but every bit helps.

I urge you all to bookmark it and make a habit of clicking it daily. I am commiting to do so, and it's easy, I just made it my home page so that every time I start up my browser I am reminded to click.

red_fists
02-20-2002, 08:11 PM
Hi Jas.

One question, how will clicking that Button provide Food for someone.

Looks more like a "feel good" thingy than anything else.

By the looks of it, you won't help anyone, unless you sign up and become a Member or buy some goods from them.

Sorry, clicking a button will not make a cup of food magically appear in front of a starving person.

Nothing against the site, but people that are serious should contribute either time or money not clicking stupid buttons.

They said that clicking that Buton generats fund, but don't say how or from where.
Sorry, to be a downer, but there are too many sites out there trying to get at money without helping anybody but themselves.

JasBourne
02-20-2002, 08:32 PM
One question, how will clicking that Button provide Food for someone.

Looks more like a "feel good" thingy than anything else.


I understand your trepidation, I'm a skeptic meself ;)

It's my understanding that the funding is split between two established legitimate distribution organizations, the Second Harvest and I think Mercy Corps.

red_fists
02-20-2002, 08:35 PM
Jas.

My Question was:

How does clicking that Button generate money or Food??

JasBourne
02-20-2002, 08:40 PM
Ahh, I see what you mean. From their FAQ's (go to bottom of front page and click FAQs):

"How does the site work? Who pays for the food?
The site's sponsors pay for your daily click. The sponsors purchase tiles on the Thank You page for a certain amount of time. The Hunger Site then tabulates the number of people who click during that time frame and bill the sponsor for the appropriate amount. The Hunger Site divides the monies between two leading hunger relief organizations: America's Second Harvest and Mercy Corps."

Basically, capitalists pay for it. Or maybe not, they prolly get a tax writeoff on it.

Hehe I was right, it is Second Harvest and Mercy. I gots a mind like a lint trap, I tell ya!

:D

red_fists
02-20-2002, 08:42 PM
Hi Jas.

Thanks, that makes kinda sense.

I will click more often.

tsunami surfer
02-21-2002, 07:25 AM
When I was in the military I was stationed in Korea. I was part of patrols that secured th e DMZ at the 38th parallel. The North wants to take over the south and thats no BS. And people were starving when I was there in 85. If it wasnt for the United Nations forces securing the DMZ there would be chaos and war until the north gets what it wants, total rule over the south.