Wing Chun porn (wtf is this?!)

[IronFist]

I was just doing a search for Wing Chun and I came upon a site for a WC guy named Moy Yat. Cool, it's a good WC site, I thought, until I came to "Moy Yat's Blush Strokes" page (might that supposed to be "Brush Strokes?" It doesn't matter)

I thought some of them were perverted, but I thought it might just be my Freudian mind taking over, but then I saw this one:

Go here:
http://www.moyyat.com/blush.htm
And look at the second on on the top row!!!! Click on it to see a bigger version. Dude, that is totally a girl fingering herself!! How the crap is that related to WC???

Iron

[raving_limerick]

...conserving my chi. :D

[red_fists]

How does Michael Jackson's Black belt relate to his singing??
The same way.

Just because the Guy does MA, does it prevent him from doing other things??

Maybe he is a gifted artist that earns his living that way and also enjoys WC as well.

[red_fists]

Atleast better, IMO, than those Videos of naked ladies performing Tai Chi Forms.

Now those are scary. :D

[anerlich]

It's a bit difficult to interpret that as anything else.

as for "World Famous" - as Wallid Ismail said, "BOOOSHEEEIT!"

The naked Taiji was pretty weird, but this boy weren't complaining.

[edward]

i have to agree.. with the fingering

[raving_limerick]

<<It's a bit difficult to interpret that as anything else.>>

man, just when I thought it was the top secret, closed door Biu Jee applications, you guys had to go and burst my bubble! :rolleyes:

[Kuen]

Moy Yat was a very talented and respected artist. His work has been in both art shows and magazines. His work on Chops & Seals was also excellent, the Kuen Kuits for example. Yes, they are called Blush Strokes.

[Sihing73]

HI Guys,

Fun is fun and I can see where the image mentioned is somewhat provocative ;).

Still, I would like to point out there are members of Moy Yats lineage on this board and I just want to remind everyone to be respectful. I am not saying anyone has crossed that line yet but I want to keep it from happening. Having said that I would like to point out that many renowned artists have somewhat provocative artwork and many examples can be found in the halls of some very respected places. Art museums for one example. A lot of how you look at an image has to do with your own perceptions and where your mind is to begin with :p

Still, the image has made me look at Wing Chun in a different way :D

Peace,

Dave

[Tom Kagan]

While traveling in another country with sifu, I was flipping through a local magazine. One of the advertisments in the magazine was for cigarettes. The picture was of people in a richly decorated wood paneled room. I started laughing. Sifu asked me, "What the **** is so funny?" I showed him.

Very tiny and barely perceptible (but clear to anyone who has seen the original) were the outlines of one of the Blush Strokes series swirled into the smoke of all three cigarettes in the picture. Anyone who knows about advertising knows this was not a coincidence.

There are over 200 distinct depictions of all sorts of erotic art in the Blush Strokes collection. Drawing heavily from Chinese calligraphy, many consist of only a single stroke of a brush. They may seem quite tame by today's standards, but when first introduced in the mid 1970s, they drew numerous awards (and condemnation). They still have an effect on aspiring erotic artists today.

What does erotic art have to do with Ving Tsun? Good question. However, if my Kung Fu tries to teach me how to protect my life, then art tries to teach me to appreciate it.

Erotic art is certainly not for everyone. But if you can look at a subject intentionally chosen to be provacative without becoming aroused or angered and merely observe it, only then have you you truly mastered yourself.

Moy Yat was an accomplished artist in many mediums, from wood and stone carving to oil on canvas to his personal favorite, watercolor. I was putting together some more representative works of his before I was so rudely interrupted by someone attempting to drop buildings on me. However, I am almost done recreating the gallery and will be uploading it to the website soon.

In the meantime, here is something a little more relevant to Ving Tsun (courtesy of Pete Pajil):

"Trilogy" by Moy Yat. Oil on Canvas, 1987
http://www.moyyat.com/images/trilogy.jpg

[Kuen]

My favorite is Si-Tai-Gung's self portrait. There's a wonderful picture of him standing in front of it on the Ving Tsun museum site I believe.

[ATENG]

i thought "blush" was just the heavily accented pronunciation of "brush" by chinese. :p

[sunkuen]

In the meantime, here is something a little more relevant to Ving Tsun (courtesy of Pete Pajil):

"Trilogy" by Moy Yat. Oil on Canvas, 1987
http://www.moyyat.com/images/trilogy.jpg [/B][/QUOTE]

Tom, How can you say the "Blush Strokes" are not relevant to Ving Tsun? There seems to be a common theme that perhaps you are missing.

[JasBourne]

Pretty inappropriate stuff to be posting on a professional martial arts site. This is not the guy's homepage. If this grandmaster guy was into his personal porn, fine, keep it personal. It has nothing to do with wing chun, and makes the school look sleazy. Oh yeah, our kungfu rocks, and by the way, here's some sex calligraphy.

:rolleyes:

[dezhen2001]

IMO the website is not just a kung fu site. It's in memory of Moy Yat THE MAN. If i am correct, there is another website dedicated solely to the gong fu school (?)
It's obvious to see that he was creative, an artist; which he expressed through his wing chun, paintings, chops and calligraphy :)

I think it's a good site and gives everyone a glimpse to who he was, not just how good his gong fu was. Sure maybe the blush strokes are controversial to some people, but then again it's up to the viewer to decide if they like them or not (guage a personal reaction to the piece). Which is what IMO art is all about...

david

[sunkuen]

Moy Yat was very intelligent. Look again at the pictures.

[Kuen]

That site was done in memory of Moy Yat the man. He was a multi faceted individual not just a martial artist. If you don't like that page there are MYVTKF pages on the internet that deal solely with his Ving Tsun. I would also suggest to those who equate art with sleaze, porn or whatever that perhaps a visit to a museum or an art history class is in order. After all, everyone in the USA had a good laugh when John Ashcroft paid $8,000 for curtains to cover the nude statue of Justice because he didn't want a naked woman looking down on him, so let's not perpetuate that sort of puerile mentality.

[Spark]

I think it's pretty sad that some people have nothing else to say than it's 'porn' or shouldn't be on his website etc ...

A fine example how much we in N. America are culturally repressed.

Why is it that if a picture/painting depicts a naked person, perhaps doing something - it's porn (which implies it is a bad thing)? I'm positive if you took this to other places in the world, the reaction would be much more favourable and accepted with an open mind!

[Roy D. Anthony]

Most of Michaelangelo's paintings were nudes too. **** Queen Victoria, she made us go backwards in our societies due to repression.

[Tom Kagan]

i thought "blush" was just the heavily accented pronunciation of "brush" by chinese.
Actually, the pun is exact reason Moy Yat chose that name. The the ability to distinquish between the "r" and "l" sound is lost by most Cantonese speakers at an early age. Also, some people look at the pictures and blush. :)


sunkuen,

Tom, How can you say the "Blush Strokes" are not relevant to Ving Tsun? There seems to be a common theme that perhaps you are missing.
Yes, I suppose I might be missing something. But, I didn't say "not relevant," I said "more relevant." Still, common theme speculation might be fun but, as Freud might say, sometimes a cigar is just a cigar. And, while I am open to your perspective on my sifu's art, please keep in mind you are trying to explain something to me about a man I spent time with nearly every day for the last several years of his life and you are contradicting his own views about "Blush Strokes."


Jasbourne,

Pretty inappropriate stuff to be posting on a professional martial arts site. This is not the guy's homepage. If this grandmaster guy was into his personal porn, fine, keep it personal. It has nothing to do with wing chun, and makes the school look sleazy. Oh yeah, our kungfu rocks, and by the way, here's some sex calligraphy
The site is not a "professional site", it is his site. And, I never said anything about "our kungfu rocks." It is what it is. Moy Yat taught whatever he knew to those wanted to learn something from him, be it stonecutting, painting, massage, or Kungfu. Good, bad, or mediocre, I don't feel is my place to go around bellow. That assessment is for others of those Moy Yat tried to teach and for the student's students - men, women, and children. Some are great, many are good, and some are not so good. Some are upstanding people and some are not.

Moy Yat made no excuses while he was alive. I am not going to make any on his behalf after his death. The pictures are on the website because he wanted them there. They will remain there now because his wife of more than 4 decades wants a complete picture of who he was and that includes contributions to a style of erotic art which didn't exist before. If you are upset, I cannot control that. Of course, you have the right to think what you will and spread disparaging remarks about the artist, his kungfu, and his school, if you feel it necessary. It might hurt, but I realize it would be far from the first time someone did this and certainly far from the the last time.

[Matrix]

I can't believe that anyone would call these artworks "porn". Just go to your local art gallery and you will see images equally suggestive. Sex is just a part of life. What's the big deal?

Some of you boys need to grow up. ;)

It is obvious that Moy Yat was quite a talented man.

Matrix

[sunkuen]

"and you are contradicting his own views about "Blush Strokes."

C'mon Tom are you telling us your the "authority" on Moy Yat. Moy Yat said not to let sex or money weigh heavy on the mind....do you think he forgot his Ving Tsun when he created the blush strokes....With your inability to see beyond that , i'm sure Moy Yat would leave you to see only what you could.

[Matrix]

It doesn't appear that it weighed too heavily on his mind. His work is quite light in it's nature, expresses a healthy attitude towards human sexuality. It seems to me that the reaction from some observers is too heavy. ;)

As for Tom's "authority", I would have to suspect that he knew the man much better than you or I ever could. For the record, I have some Sihings who went to NY and met with Moy Yat, and the stories they tell of him are very much in line with what Tom says.

Regards,

Matrix

[sunkuen]

I guess i'm feeling that even though Moy Yat spent hordes of time with Ip man he was not the authority on Ip man....Even your own sigung spent much time with Ip Man (living across the road from him) but he doesn't act like his word is the law regarding Ip man. The real point I was making (in Moy Yats defense) is that Ving Tsun wasn't forgotten about when He was doing the blush strokes......Kung Fu life

[Matrix]

I certainly agree that Ving Tsun was not forgotten in his art. It's there for everyone to see.

Matrix

[Peter Aarts]

Do you think they are for sale?? I´d like to have one of these.

[JasBourne]

sunkuen, please change your avatar. Choosing such an explicit "blush stroke" is highly inappropriate and shows disrespect for both the women in this forum, and all serious martial artists of both genders who come here to discuss martial arts.

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woops, I see Sihing73 has already taken care of the matter.

[sunkuen]

you like this one better?:)

[vingtsunstudent]

this place really is becoming a joke.
you argue that it is only art then you make him change his avatar.
so it's not art but f'n porn.
it make all the moy yat people who have argued on his behalf now look very silly.(no offence to the moy yat people, i am laughing at the lack of freedom)
some of you people surely must belong to the chinese communist party.........you know the ones that said martial arts are very naughty & elitist.
kill all masters. kill all teachers. kill all artists
jas, if you find that offensive you should move back into that cave where reality won't find you.
it is just ART not a friggin' xxx movie.
be the reason right or wrong for him having it, it is his right no matter what you say.
vts

[sunkuen]

That was a fine piece of artwork by G.M. Moy Yat, but sadly, frowned upon by the more "conservative" members of this fine community.:(

[JasBourne]

Yeah, sunkuen, that's fine.

vingtsunstudent, get off my case, jacko. I said it was porn off the bat. And choosing something that explicit is offensive in the context of a public forum. sunkuen was being a smart@ss and I called him on it.

I don't have any problem with anyone's private sexuality, you hearing me on this nice and loud, yes? If there is such a thing as a "right" to be offensive, then I have an identical "right" to call bull when I see it. Oh I'm sorry, is that kind of thinking offensive to you? Move back into a cave, it's just an opinion, they're only words, what's your problem, you some kind of freedom-of-speech-hating communist?

Have a nice day :D

[vingtsunstudent]

a wing chun man/woman should be brutal & aggressive & offended by as little as possible otherwise you give your opponent the advantage.
how would you defeat some of the people on here- by distracting them with that art & when they are carrying on about it kick their butt.
some of these people need to pull there heads out of their a$$es.
gee, i hope that wasn't offensive.
vts
ps sunkuen, i still don't like you;) :p

[sunkuen]

The sun is still gonna shine...:cool:

[sunkuen]

what do ya think is lighting your half of the hemisphere!!!:D

[Roy D. Anthony]

WingChun Porn is perhaps mre appropriately defined as doing Wing Chun in the nude. As for the art work, I don't see any of them doing Wing Chun..although they may be illustrating a certain principle!!

[Tom Kagan]

C'mon Tom are you telling us your the "authority" on Moy Yat. Moy Yat said not to let sex or money weigh heavy on the mind....do you think he forgot his Ving Tsun when he created the blush strokes....With your inability to see beyond that , i'm sure Moy Yat would leave you to see only what you could.


The real point I was making (in Moy Yats defense) is that Ving Tsun wasn't forgotten about when He was doing the blush strokes......Kung Fu life

I do not pretend to be an "authority" on Moy Yat or any of his art. All I am is his student - nothing more, nothing less. I am fortunate to have spent a great deal of time with him.

I have a sihing who also spent a great deal of time with sifu. Almost every sentence out of my sihing's mouth was "kung fu" this, "kung fu" that, "kung fu ... kung fu ... kung fu ...". As a sidai, I have never said anything to him, it is not my place. But even sifu, on occasion, could have trouble being with him. Sometimes, 5 minutes after sitting down at a restaurant, he would stand up and say "I just remembered I have something to do." Moy Yat would then go to a place where he knew my sihing would not follow him. My sihing never caught on.

I have sometimes spent hours on end with this individual. Once, he noticed I was rubbing my forehead and asked me what was wrong. I told him I had a headache. He immediately started talking to me about "chi" and how headaches are from a lack of proper chi circulation and that if I practiced sil nim tao more, I wouldn't be having such headaches. Well, he was right. But, what he never realized was that I could have gone off and done anything as long as I had a rest from his "kung fu life" and I wouldn't be having the headache. :)

If you find meaning in "Blush Strokes" which helps your Kung fu, good. I am genuinely happy for you. It is true that Moy Yat didn't forget his kung fu when he created "Blush Strokes." But, he didn't forget his kung fu when he would constantly forget his keys or glance at his watch, either. Objects and the like do have an intrinsic "nature." You can find other uses for them, but rarely do the other uses redefine the object's intrinsic nature.

As I stare out of my office window directly across the street from the site of the World Trade Center on the morning of the 6 month anniversary of complex's demise, I am reminded that something as small as a boxcutter or as large as a 767 has an intrinsic nature. Used for other purposes, they can be quite effective for their unintended purpose. But, it does not change the fact that a 767 aircraft is for transportation. A boxcutter (a weapon of choice in NYC) is still only meant for opening boxes.

And, "Blush Strokes" are for eroticism. :)