Whippinghand got banned

[sunkuen]

Is this true that whippinghand has been banned?

[Roy D. Anthony]

After all the bull**** that rollinghand and SuiFuw and Jon said in this forum? and Whippinghand got banned?
Darn Shame.

[jon]

Hey why bring me into this?
I was posted a couple of posts designed to make you guys think in ONE thread!

I certainly didnt insult anyone or attempt to start any arguments.
Rolling Hand and Sui-fuw have a lot to say (when they want and it WILL be cryptic) and we can all learn 'something' from them, stop calling troll at everyone and just accept some will see things from a differnt view point.

To be honest i find it much more disgusting as a non wing chun practioner to view all of your infighting and debates regarding 'true' or 'pure' Wing Chun.

There is a joke among CMA practioners.
How do you beat a Wing Chun man?
Ask him about linage and sit back while he argues himself out of the picture :p

[Roy D. Anthony]

Oh Jon, the game is up friend, the game is afoot. You have been recruited by a certain someone. a real cheap shot exercised by a member in this forum. :)

[jon]

Roy D. Anthony

"Oh Jon, the game is up friend, the game is afoot."
* No! I agree with you totaly.

"You have been recruited by a certain someone. a real cheap shot exercised by a member in this forum."
* YES thats right... 'recruited', infact there are many of 'us' and 'we' are all out to bring you down. Im going to need to get further instructions from mission control becouse you discovering our cause is really going to throw a spanner in the works:(
My leader will be most displeased:eek:




Man im getting this a lot lately:D

[Rolling_Hand]

LOL! The best thing you can get out of this period of adjustment is a fresh perspective.

[Roy D. Anthony]

You will never know Rolling Hand. LOL

[Roy D. Anthony]

Seems to me that what should be deleted is the thread about WingChun porn. after all it is derogatory, and Insulting lineages. Yet it is allowed to be carried on because of this hidden dislike for the Moy Yat lineage.
You want to talk about face Kuen, talk now.
Seems to me that there is a lack of respect in here towards my Sigung. Although I failed to mention it before, now I feel is the time to talk about it.
Moderation seems too one sided!!!

[anerlich]

There is a joke among CMA practioners.
How do you beat a Wing Chun man?
Ask him about linage and sit back while he argues himself out of the picture

Ain't that the truth, though.

No disrespect for Moy Yat lineage here, but the pic was pretty unequivocal. I'll buy that he's a great WC elder RIP, do I have to kowtow to him being a latter-day Rembrandt as well? I think not.

My Sigung is William Cheung. He cops a caning on here now and then. So what? Some if it is justified. Nobody's perfect.

[vingtsunstudent]

pull your head in roy
i have never seen anyone bagging moy yat, maybe a few odd criticisms here & there but no more than against wong, leung ting or little billie cheung etc
hell man, your even more touchy than me
learnt to take a joke & that's coming from me who is ususally the most arrogant & easily upset of people.
as for whippy being banned- if true, i probably argued with him as much as anyone but banning him is a bit heavy handed.
if you didn't like what he had to say you just ignore it(which i did personally on many more than one occassion) & move on to the next post.
why do i personally like to argue with some, IT'S FUN.
some of you whingers & whinners & moderators(no names) just sound like those old people who ring up tv stations to complain about the violence & foul language.
if you don't like it CHANGE THE F'N CHANNEL.
vts

[JasBourne]

"Seems to me that what should be deleted is the thread about WingChun porn. after all it is derogatory, and Insulting lineages."

Oh, bull. Nobody said anything about lineages. The topic is WTF are porn pics doing on a professional martial arts site. A nice change from all the personal sniping around here lately.

[anerlich]

When one of the moderators proposed banning Whippinghand, I voted against the proposal.

Sui-fuw has demonstrated, in a very short time, that it is possible to be much more annoying, vacuous, and tedious, and I stand by my original vote.

Sui, try a few dozen more smilies in those posts, huh?

[Kuen]

I don't really feel that anyone has said anything negative about SiTaiGung or his Ving Tsun. I do believe we had some folks who weren't real familiar with art and weren't sure how to handle Moy Yat's work but that says more about their exposure to the art world than Moy Yat. You know how people react to some of his erotic art, I have SiHings who were freaked out about it at first but then they realized that an artist doing erotic art is nothing perverted and is in fact quite common. If Mr. Hand really was banned he did ask for it by spreading tales about SiHing73 all over the internet and doing his best to be a disturbance on this board. I for one think that's too bad because despite his online personality he did know what he was talking about but as they say a jerk with 20 years of training is still a jerk so he is solely responsible for whatever actions the moderator has taken against him.

[yuanfen]

Kuen- I disagree.
List: I think that banning should not be taken lightly.
Styles of posting vary and if civility was the main criterion and the moderator has unlimited power lots of folks could be banned.
I dont endorse unregulated powers of moderators and censors
and they are not proprietors of the list.
I dont talk behind people's backs... I have said it openly and say so again... the moderators on this wc list - their apparent logic
in interpreting the rules are neither fish nor fowl.
Administration is an art... anyone can selectively or mechanically apply rules--- without a coherent sense of purpose.
Some of the threads specially with sui and others is absolutely hopeless and on many threads- some of the more knowledgeable folks have been practically silent.
The main difference that I see between the VTAA and this list is that this list has moderators whose powers exceed their grasp.

[Sihing73]

Hello,

I will say this once and then leave it alone. The banning of a member is not something taken lightly nor is it randomly enacted. Regardless of what some members think the actions of the individual bring with them certain consequences.

The banning of a member is not something which is a one person thing. Without going into great detail I can tell everyone that this was a joint decision and was not based on one persons views. In the decision making process the input of several forum members was considered as well as the individual in question. An e-mail was sent to the person advising of the situation and giving him a chance to modify his approach. By choosing not to do so, the result was already determined. Much like Wing Chun the reaction of the Moderators and Administrators was decided by the energy of the person in question.

I can fully understand and appreciate the feelings of everyone involved, even those I do not agree with. However, this is a forum which is provided to us to use free of charge. Certain responsibilities come with that use and by registering everyone agrees to these requirements. While one may have the right of free speech and expression when one joins a community then there is a greater right of the community as a whole. Besides, posting on the KFO is not a "right" it is a "privilege" and ones "rights" must be consider in that aspect.

Having said that I still feel that this is a place where individuals can share and communicate fairly evenly. Different lineages are represented and for the most part things run pretty well. There are exceptions and, being human, people are bound to make mistakes. I know that I have made mistakes and I have also learned here. However, I still feel that this forum is one of the better ones around. It is IMPOSSIBLE to please each and everyone posting here so it is foolish to try. Yet each person has the oppotunity of voicing their opinion and providing input into the forum. There is the ability to contact a Moderator or Administrator via e-mail or you can report a post by clicking on it. Anyone who wishes to is always welcome to e-mail myself or SandMan2 regarding anything on this board.

I think that is enough. Since some will not agree and others will, with the action taken it seems pointless to continue this discussion.

As always feel free to e-mail if you wish;

sihing73@juno.com
dmcknight@rcn.com


Peace,

Dave

[old jong]

It was always strange to me that Whippinghand could be so rude and eager to contradict everything by everybody just for the sake of it,and having,at the same time, that piercing sense of humor I felt sometimes!...Was it something he putted in his soup?...
Who is really Whippinghand?... ;)

[kungfu cowboy]

Oooh, now its time for the guessing game:

Which new member will be a new identity for whippinghand?

and/or

What pre-existing member is an alter ego?

I have failed at this game miserably in the past, but that was in my rookie days.

[kungfu cowboy]

Does that mean banned from just the wing chun forum, or does that include the whole site?

[black and blue]

Spanking Foot
Rubbed Head
Paddled Bum

:)

I'm gonna miss him. He was funny and annoying and full of good ideas and short, meaningful suggestions.

He will rise like a Phoenix from the Filth and bring joy once again. I'm sure of it!

[mun hung]

What's the point in banning? Even though many people don't like Whippinghand, I must say that banning seems a bit much. Oh well.

Besides, he'll just come back as someone else we don't like, so why bother? :)

[cha kuen]

yo did urban tea get banned too!?

[Martial Joe]

WH=cool...

[Rolling_Hand]

Wild personalities don't need to be tamed. Nor should you allow them to ride roughshod over you. Spaces in the togetherness make the heart grow fonder. Treat friends and colleagues with kid gloves.

[Roy D. Anthony]

When the metacarpophalangeal joints are in extension or slight flexion passive abduction/aduction and rotation allow the hand to adapt itself to grasp a variety of shapes. When these joints are in a more flexed position they become less flexible but also more stable, which is helpful for feats requiring strength or force. ROM for active flexion is limited by contact between the bodies of the contracting muscles ROM for passive flexion is greater since the flexor muscles are relaxed and more easily compressed.
Hope this helps!!!!

[sunkuen]

Guest!!!:D

[S.Teebas]

I have my suspisions as to who may be Whipping hands alter ego. I dont think he's left us....

[lotus kick]

I come back to this form after all this time and this is the news i hear!!! Its a sad day for all knowledge seekers.

The only way to trully learn is the discover the mistakes in "the right way".

[Frank Exchange]

Whipping Hand may be a very nice person, he could be an absolute angel in real life, we have no way of knowing. All we have are his posts here on this board to judge him by.

His posts were deliberately obtuse, condescending, and often rude.

When challenged on points he made, he never entered into a discussion.

This is a discussion board, and if people are not prepared to discuss the subjects, they should not be posting.

If he has indeed been banned, I, for one, will not miss him.

[Alpha Dog]

say it isn't so!!

[yenhoi]

This sucks.

Rolls captures entire forums for weeks and months at a time, and all WH does is stir up the **** abit.

Cool.

[sunkuen]

good point!

[GeneChing]

This is the way it works here at the office of Kungfu Qigong, your hosts for this forum. Like most of you, we all come into work ready to do our jobs. One of those jobs is checking our various email accounts and this here forum. In that email is a lot of business, after all, we are a business. Also in that email are the complaints we get from the forum. This includes private emails, the emails that are sent when you click "report this post to a moderator" and private messages. Even the lurkers complain and while they may not participate actively in this forum, they are just as must a part of our readership, so we listen. We listen to a lot around here. That's a big part of our job. Most days are pretty good - no complaints. Some days we get a lot, so much so that it can impede with our publishing work. When it gets that bad, we generally opt to ban someone.

Before we banned whippinghand, we were getting dozens of complaints on a daily basis. It was way too many for us not to act.

For what it's worth, all it takes to ban someone is the flick of an adminstrative switch. All it takes to 'unban' someone is a flick back. If whippinghand wishes to plead his case directly, we're listening, as always. If the rest of you want to plead his case, you should seriously consider how much energy you're putting into an internet forum. After all, it's not you that was banned, at least not yet ;)

[Alpha Dog]

After reading Gene's post, I would like to say that I find it laughable that so many people actually take the time to complain about one person.

Excuse me if I am offending any delicate sensibilities, but can't you just ignore someone if you don't like what they have to say? Do you people really take the off-the-cuff comments of an individual so personally that you can't bear the sight of another post?

Let me just say this, as my humblest of opinions: going into a combat situation with an ego problem is a definite weakness that any opponent could readily exploit. You train your body, what about your pride? Is that your weakest link?

I am not for deliberately insulting people. But, I recognize that only sticks and stones really hurt.

Nuff Said

[Sabu]

You speak wise, Alpha Boy! Do you meditate?

You must know that....

[Rolling_Hand]

--Hope this helps!!!!

You're a politicain and I am an engineer.

[Matrix]

Thanks Gene for posting here to explain the situation. It's a tough job to deal with all of these types of issues.

Having said that I have to agree with Alpha Dog. I don't know why people need to complain to the authorities. I believe that there is a feature in the Control Panel that will allow you to set up an "Ignore List" so that the postings of people that you find offensive are automatically filtered out. Now I haven't tried it before, so maybe someone can comment on it's effectiveness.

By the way, I was not a fan of Whipping Hand, but for some odd reason I kinda miss him. ;)

Just my 2 cents,

Matrix

[yuanfen]

This is more of a bulletin board rather thana closed mailing list which would send messages to your inbox. It is easy to filter out the posts of people you dont want and by pass entire threads.
Two things- the hidden complaints to administration of a bulletin board show the lack of self assurance of atleast some of the complainers. Further, I have already commented on the lack of even handedness in the moderation. Also, the recent deletion of the poll which showed the majority support for not banning is also in my opinion poor moderation. If the subsequent discussion between two individuals got a bit much for a bulletin board- the exchanges could have been removed without removing the poll results which BTW did not show majority support for the moderators action as once claimed by one moderator.. Lots of things I may not like about some posts- I dont have to read some posters, I can block their posts myself and they dont come into my email inbox. And whether to even check the bulletin board or not is an individual decision. Big difference between a bulletin board or kiosk and a closed mailing list. The latter usually has
tighter conditions of membership including rules against anonymity, cross posting, trolling and spamming. C ya later.
false identity

[Rolling_Hand]

A claim you expected to be resolved amicably runs into trouble. The facts may be on your side, but sympathies aren't.

Empty Cup and Matrix are winners, but you're a loser!! LOL... too much TV and hot dogs for you, now your lips itches again.

[yuanfen]

Rolling Hand
Confucius say
1. Needed is the rectification of names!
2. Not all cups are empty- some leak
3. Nicole Kidman is more attractive than Keanu Reaves.
3a,Moulin Rouge needed no censor
4. Preserve intelligence- never watch the idiot box- unless the three idiots are on...yuk yuk yuk
5. Beware of the mandate of heaven-rulers come and go.
6. If you have the right values- you always win.
7.Golden rule-always chi sao with clean hands
8. Itchy lips recite the foreign sutra-ban him.

[Rolling_Hand]

Well! What did I tell ya?

If your lips itches, you've got it!!!

[yuanfen]

om mani padme hum

Tara- forgive them- they know not what they do...
too many hot dogs--
if you have ever made them---you never eat one again.(I dont)
sort of like chi sao(or rolling hand) with jkd folks-do you really want to do it more than once?

[Rolling_Hand]

....Chi Sau with Rolling Hand?
Are you hungry for donuts?
hahaha.... Yuenfen is Whippinghand II

[yuanfen]

Rolling hands with donuts-too sticky-dont you think?
Whipping handII? That's too confusing.Maybe not.Is this blind chi sao?

[Rolling_Hand]

If that "OM MANI PADME HUM" has always been your best defense. You might need to go back and relearn the SNT.

[yuanfen]

the slt is an important gate to om mani padme hum-
dont be fooled by popular culture. The gate can lead to many paths.
Defense?Past learning that. Adversaries fall down by themselves.
"Let none question my lingering way
I gain like Fabius with delay".....

[yuanfen]

Relearn the slt? I dont take it asa put down
Whipping Hand.Great idea.
I am familiar with the Myth of Sisyphus.
Like the Ng Mui and Yim Wing Chun myths- very instructive.

[Alpha Dog]

I thought I had that once, turned out to be nothing that some Gold Bond Powder and a few aspirins couldn't fix.

[yuanfen]

with all your avatar's armor you may have applied them in the
wrong place. But you have the wrong myth anyways.

[Matrix]

The gods had condemned Sisyphus to ceaselessly rolling a rock to the top of a mountain, at which point the stone would fall back of its own weight. They had thought that there is no more dreadful punishment than futile and hopeless labor.

Matrix

[weakstudent]

well well i have been gone a while and it seems nothing change but got worst . before i left whipping hand was being polled about being kick out of the forum. now from what i've been reading he is gone i don't question the people in charge of the forum but i thought this was a place to exchange ideas and differences. as long as we are civil with our words . its a shame
that people get banned from saying what they feel.

[Alpha Dog]

Or would you rather I said, "please tell me more about Greek mythology, as I have misplaced my copy of Edith Hamilton"?

[yuanfen]

Joke? Mine too Alpha Dog. Even my Alpha Malamute knows the Sisyphus myth( he stacks and restacks the same things and knows the absurdity of life) . The Echo myth as well- he howls about it. Has a friend name Echo who pines for him from afar when she sees him.And he guards the Hades- never mind who is in there at the moment.About Edith Hamilton's book-
the malamute ate the whole thing.:D. Atleast I cant find it.
Is another edition out? He has devoured some classics. He was(is) the real Alpha among my now gone Samoyed team. But he is only upto single sticky- one of the Samoyeds really had good rolling hands in double chi sao.No joke.
So I have to work from memory on myths. Edith's collection
is small. The Indian and the American Indian myths are more numerous... and they live without Hamilton..and are alive in oral traditions.

[Sabu]

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[yuanfen]

no, just fun sao and the sound of one hand laughing