mantis108
03-10-2001, 10:47 PM
Kevin's post on this subject:
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By new and old sessions - the older Lung Ying sessions (pre Lam Yiu Kwai)are much longer, softer, and more complex with greater use of angular / spinning movements. The newer sessions (forms) are shorter with more concentration on learning specific principles and techniques - this was LYK's genius. The push is to teach the new, but remember the old - slightly different bows, principles, etc. Lung Ying Mor Kiew is newer session, Moi-Fah older session. I wish I understood this better, because this "root" is the key to unlocking the historical roots of LY. I believe Mantis108 calls this root "Sam Bo Tui" - I would love to discuss the roots of LY again- but not on this thread![/quote]
I don't want to rock the boat, just give some food for thought here. Interested parties should do their own research.
The Lum family was into martial arts. Lum Hing Yuen, sometimes known as Lum Yuen was the father of Lum Yui Kwai. Lo Hop, sometimes know as Lum Ah Hop, was Lum Yui Kwai's uncle. This two brothers took Kung Fu from a monk, whose name was Kwong Chun, when they were young. Later they learnt from Sifu Wong Lin Gill, who had an alias Hoi Fung
Yung (Si). As I was told Hoi Fung Si taught either a system or a form called "Sarm Bo Tyui". The Lum brothers as this point were middle age. Later they were introduced to Monk Tai Yuk at Law Fao Shan Wah Sau Toi temple. They learnt Lung Ying from him. This is where the Cheung Lai Chun learnt Lung Ying fits in. Sigung Cheung learnt Lung Ying from Lum Hop. This is as Kevin points out the Old Session. Sigung Lum Yui Kwai learnt a lot from his parent and uncle. But they die when Sigung Lum was still a teenager. He DID NOT complete Lung Ying at that stage. Until later he was demonstrating or picking herbs (different versions available here as well), he met Lung Ying practitioners near the Mount Law Fao region. He was INVITED to study further and COMPLETED the Old Session which are Lung Ying Mor Kiew.... Mui Fah (Fah Kuen Sui Ma).
Speculation only: He put the whole Lung Ying system together into what is now known as New Session. A lot of his personal expressions of the art are in there. I have seen written record of his oral teaching which is basically his thoughts and strategies. I wasn't aware of such a thing in existance until recently. How much of the STUFF are kept from public eyes? Who can really tell? That's not the point to discuss here. Just that the true is out there.
Lung Ying under Sigung is very systematic. Right from the "Walking" to even the order of learning of the forms. Sibak Lum Woon Kwong's lineage reflects that. Even the simplest foundation building moves hold lots of wonderful surprises. (get a hold of Sifu Ma Kwok Fai's VCD and you will see). It's truly an amazing style.
Again this is but a version( which can be found on the net). I find this is by far the best explained version.
Kevin may have more info. on it. Kevin?
Mantis108
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<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>By new and old sessions - the older Lung Ying sessions (pre Lam Yiu Kwai)are much longer, softer, and more complex with greater use of angular / spinning movements. The newer sessions (forms) are shorter with more concentration on learning specific principles and techniques - this was LYK's genius. The push is to teach the new, but remember the old - slightly different bows, principles, etc. Lung Ying Mor Kiew is newer session, Moi-Fah older session. I wish I understood this better, because this "root" is the key to unlocking the historical roots of LY. I believe Mantis108 calls this root "Sam Bo Tui" - I would love to discuss the roots of LY again- but not on this thread![/quote]
I don't want to rock the boat, just give some food for thought here. Interested parties should do their own research.
The Lum family was into martial arts. Lum Hing Yuen, sometimes known as Lum Yuen was the father of Lum Yui Kwai. Lo Hop, sometimes know as Lum Ah Hop, was Lum Yui Kwai's uncle. This two brothers took Kung Fu from a monk, whose name was Kwong Chun, when they were young. Later they learnt from Sifu Wong Lin Gill, who had an alias Hoi Fung
Yung (Si). As I was told Hoi Fung Si taught either a system or a form called "Sarm Bo Tyui". The Lum brothers as this point were middle age. Later they were introduced to Monk Tai Yuk at Law Fao Shan Wah Sau Toi temple. They learnt Lung Ying from him. This is where the Cheung Lai Chun learnt Lung Ying fits in. Sigung Cheung learnt Lung Ying from Lum Hop. This is as Kevin points out the Old Session. Sigung Lum Yui Kwai learnt a lot from his parent and uncle. But they die when Sigung Lum was still a teenager. He DID NOT complete Lung Ying at that stage. Until later he was demonstrating or picking herbs (different versions available here as well), he met Lung Ying practitioners near the Mount Law Fao region. He was INVITED to study further and COMPLETED the Old Session which are Lung Ying Mor Kiew.... Mui Fah (Fah Kuen Sui Ma).
Speculation only: He put the whole Lung Ying system together into what is now known as New Session. A lot of his personal expressions of the art are in there. I have seen written record of his oral teaching which is basically his thoughts and strategies. I wasn't aware of such a thing in existance until recently. How much of the STUFF are kept from public eyes? Who can really tell? That's not the point to discuss here. Just that the true is out there.
Lung Ying under Sigung is very systematic. Right from the "Walking" to even the order of learning of the forms. Sibak Lum Woon Kwong's lineage reflects that. Even the simplest foundation building moves hold lots of wonderful surprises. (get a hold of Sifu Ma Kwok Fai's VCD and you will see). It's truly an amazing style.
Again this is but a version( which can be found on the net). I find this is by far the best explained version.
Kevin may have more info. on it. Kevin?
Mantis108
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