Choy Li Fut

[Paul Skrypichayko]

Hi, I'm interested in Choy Li Fut.

Does anybody here know of any Choy Li Fut masters that are on par, or have more skill/knowledge than Wong Ha?

[chuang tzu]

There's Lai Hung, but he's Bak Sing Choy Lay Fut.

[Paul Skrypichayko]

Thanks, I've heard good things about Lai Hung as well.

Does anybody know what branch of Choy Li Fut Wong Ha practices?

[premier]

Who is Wong Ha?

[Sow Choy]

Master Li Siu Hung is considered an authority in Choy Lay Fut. Master Tat Mau Wong also.

www.leekoonhungkungfu.com (http://www.leekoonhungkungfu.com)

[Fu-Pow]

Or my Sifu, Mak Hin Fai, he is Tat Mau Wong and Liu Siu Hung's classmate. Also, Michael Punsche in Germany. All these people are Lee Koon Hung's students. I don't know where you are located so can't give you anything real specific.

Fu-Pow

[Fu-Pow]

I also don't know who Wong Ha is?

Fu-Pow

[Paul Skrypichayko]

From what I've heard from other Choy Li Fut people, Wong Ha is one of the top people in Choy Li Fut in North America. He lives in Vancouver, and I think he's in his late 80's.

Does anybody know of any masters around his age, and around his skill level, or higher? Perhaps Lee Koon Hung's masters or kung fu uncles.

[Fu-Pow]

I'm pretty sure that Lee Koon Hung's Sifu is still around (or one of them). His name is Poon Sing. I'm pretty sure he came down to our school but unfortunately I wasn't there at the time. I have no idea where he lives or even if he is still teaching. If you want to see our whole lineage go to makskungfu.com . It is strange that I have never heard of Wong Ha when I live in Seattle? My Sifu has never mentioned him either. Are you certain that he is Hung Sing. And if so what branch of the family?

Fu-Pow

[CLFNole]

Wong Ha is from the Hung Sing branch of Choy Lay Fut and is the sifu of Hilbert Yu. I really wouldn't get caught up in how old or what generation a particular master is. CLF is a fast moving style, so there are some draw backs of learning from a sifu was is rather advanced in age.

Find a sifu, see if he is good and check his lineage if you like. The most important thing is, is his kung fu good.

By the way none of Lee Koon Hung's main CLF sifu's are still alive.

Peace.

[WinnipegDragon]

Where would Doc Fai Wong rate in this comparison? Almost half of the articles/books I have ever seen have been authored or co-authored by him...

***************

I said to her, "For you who are so old but forever young I have many questions."

She said to me, "And I have but one answer - you must be a silhouette of the dragon against the moon."

[Fu-Pow]

Doc Fai Wong does Choy Lay Fut at Tai Chi speed.
CLFNole is right about having an old teacher.
Nuff said.

Fu-Pow

doc fai wong...hahahaha. now that's funny.

why don't you just call up jane hallander and study from her? (cough).

if i wanted you to know me, you'd know me.
-ironvest-

[Ben Gash]

Doc Fai Wong is strange. I've seen footage of him and his students and they've never looked like they could fight their way out of a wet paper bag. However, I once met Gini Lau's (Faan Tze Ying Jow Pai) husband who is one of his top students, and he certainly knows his stuff.
If I had to find a CLF master in North America I'd probably go to Paul Chan in Toronto (Hong Luck Kung Fu School)

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

[WongFeHung]

Don't be too quick to write off Doc Fai-Wong, he has alot more than he shows. He was the youngest Sifu to open up in San Francisco's Chinatown, at about 18, and took on all comers in doing so. He is well respected in the Chinatown community. As far as not learning from an older Sifu, I think longevity speaks for itself.

[premier]

<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> Master Li Siu Hung is considered an authority in Choy Lay Fut. Master Tat Mau Wong also. [/quote]

Don't forget Chan Yong Fa, the head of Chan family Choy lee fut. There is life outside north america, you know ;)

[alecM]

As premier said there is life outside of North America, my sifu is the European representative of the Hong Kong Choy Lee Fut Kung Fu Association here in the UK. I don’t think they would have appointed him to that position if he didn’t have the skill or knowledge.

PS I believe Sifu Poon Shing is alive and living in Hong Kong and is still playing a major role with the Hong Kong Choy Lee Fut Kung Fu Association.

Saying is not boasting at all

[Ben Gash]

alecM, are you one of Edmund Ng's students?

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

[alecM]

Yes I am one of Sifu Ng’s senior students

Saying is not boasting at all

Doc Fai Wong is one of the, if not THE foremost authority on Choy Li Fut in the United States. His students could not fight out of a wet paper bag??? It is truly amazing the ignorance of some of the people that post topics on here.....

[Fu-Pow]

Or is it the insight that people have on here....
Doc Fai Wong is a joke. All talk and no substance.....authority my ass.

Fu-Pow
"If you are talking about sport that is one thing. But when you are talking about combat-as it is-well then, baby, you'd better train every part of your body" - Bruce Lee

[cha kuen]

Frank Primicias knows his choy lay fut very well. He teaches in San Diego and is one of the 4 competent instructors that I know of. I have met him, his students and seen his class. He knows how to use the applications of CLF and also knows the internal aspects about the chi circulating through the meridians. Check out www.choylayfut.com (http://www.choylayfut.com)

Chen Yong Fa is coming to San Diego in May for a seminar also.

[cha kuen]

I'd like to add that I'm not a student of Frank Primicias. Just so you guys don't see me as biased.

[mo di kuen]

Fu-Pow - You should be more respectful of your elders! According to your profile you have only trained for 4 years and only 3 of those in Choy Li Fut. I'm sure your sifu doesn't need to bash others in order to make himself look good and he would probably chastise you for disrespecting other promenant masters of Choy Li Fut.
If you truly believe that your Kung Fu is better - ask your sifu for permission to go and challenge Grandmaster Wong to a fight and see if he will agree.

[Fu-Pow]

Yeah sure...OK...whatever you say...

Fu-Pow
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"If you are talking about sport that is one thing. But when you are talking about combat-as it is-well then, baby, you'd better train every part of your body" - Bruce Lee

[bryandavis]

My sifu is Fu Hang Ing.

He is extremly knowledgable, and a very respectfull man.

The founder of Choy Lee Fut was Chan Heung ( 1806 - 1875 ). Chan Heung had two sons, On Pak and Koon Pak. Chan Koon Pak also had two sons, Man Bun and Yiu Chi. Chan Yiu Chi had two sons (Wan Hon and Sun Chu ) and a daughter, Kit Fong. Mr. Chan Yiu Chi passed away in 1965. Sifu Ng, Fu Hang is the son of Chan Kit Fong and hence the grandson of Mr. Chan Yiu Chi. Sifu Ng, Fu Hang studied under his grandfather and hence is a 4 th. generation practitioner of Choy lee Fut.

The first couple of months I studied with Frank Pimicias' son, Wes Primicias. He was also very knowledgable in clf.

Alot of differences though.

[bryandavis]

In my haste I mistyped the last name of my sifu. In pinyin it in Ng not Ing.

I felt weird when I saw that.

[ngokfei]

A Sifu Wong Yee Mun from Toi San is here in NYC for a short time and is giving seminars.

the 1st will be on June 1st at 7pm at
Yee's Hung Ga Kung Fu Academy - Chelsea Branch
150 West 28th Street - 6th Floor
Topic: Form and applications & theory.
Cost Just $20
For Information call: 212-366-6569

For future Seminar dates and locations or Private Instruction call:
212-366-6569 or 212 673-1436

:) :)

eric Hargrove
ngokfei@juno.com

[ngokfei]

update.

I think the sifu is from the Hung Sing branch

and also, my mistake. $20 for Yee's students and $50 for outsiders.

eric Hargrove
ngokfei@juno.com

[Wah]

Does ur sku also train in clf? and if you do...u should try gettin grandmaster chan yong fa out there to give a seminar...its worth it. check out his students webpage...www.clfma.com and it'll explain a little more bout him :D

[alpen]

Just asking for information on Choy Lay Fut and if there any good schools/teachers in Surrey in England of Choy Lay Fut or other styles of Shaolin kung fu.

Thanks for any help.

[JAZA]

See AlecM profile, there you will find a link to more info about CLF in UK.

thats the linkhttp://alecmorris.topcities.com/main.htm

[Sasha]

I've got the opportunity to train in this style for a while, and I'm just wondering what people think of it? It's quite expensive, so I want to be sure I'm gonna get into it if I'm gonna start paying. Also, I'm not sure how well I'd gel with it (from the guy I spoke to's description, the forms are *really* extensive, and I tend to prefer forms to be relatively short and to the point).

Also, this is the website of the club I'd be training at:
http://www.xs4all.nl/~kungfu/HY_england.htm

Does anyone who does or has done Choy Li Fut have any comments about the club, based on prior knowledge, or the (admittedly fairly limited) info offered on the site?

Thanks a lot to anyone who takes the time to respond,
Sasha

[Serpent]

I made a reply to this in the main forum. However, you will probably get more responses here.

[Fu-Pow]

I have never heard of this school before, apparently it is associated with Doc Fai Wong.

I would recommend calling Doc Fai Wong headquarters in San Fran and make sure that this school has been certified by Doc Fai Wong to teach.

Therer are many people that after attending one or two seminars go on to "teach" the style and claim to be taught by such and such master.

There is another big red flag going up here because it is very expensive. Kung Fu training should not be very expensive.

And BTW, karate and CLF do not go very well together. This is a bit suspect.

I'd do a little more research and ask some more questions.

[Sasha]

Anyone happen to have an email addy for Doc Fai Wong? Calling San Francisco for any kind of in depth discussion would probably cost as much as a year's training anyway :rolleyes:

[Ben Gash]

www.plumblossom.net (DFW)
Even if this guy's legit, he's not very good.
Check out www.zhengdaolo.com

[Ben Gash]

Just checked plum blossom's school listing and apparently they're legit. How expensive is expensive?

[Sasha]

I think the cost he said was £75 initial payment for lifetime membership/equipment, and then basically £5 a lesson (paid monthly - £20 if you were planning to attend once a week, £40 if twice, and beyond that I'm not sure).

At my current club I pay the basic cost of equipment as and when I want to get it (apart from the uniform which is mandatory), and £20 a month for unlimited lessons, so maybe I'm a bit spoilt :)

The first link is broken btw. Was there anything important on it? And what was the significance of the second (besides having a brief description of Choy Li Fut)? I couldn't see anything about this particular club...

[JAZA]

too expensive, you can buy a car with a year of training...

well korean and used.

[Fu-Pow]

75 english pounds equals 119 U.S. dollars

40 pounds is around 65 dollars a month

That sounds fairly reasonable, a bit on the expensive side.

Just to give you an idea it costs around 70 dollars to sign up at our school which includes uniform and insurance.

Then it's 85 dollars a month for unlimited lessons (you can go up to 10 classes a week. )

So a bit on the expensive side but doesn't sound like a scam or anything.

Can you go try a free lesson?

[Ben Gash]

The first link should work:confused: just type it into your navbar.
The second one has classes in West Kent. The initial 75 is steep, but you do get gear with it. The class price is about average.

[Sasha]

What made you say he's not very good?

Yeah, you can book 1 free lesson in advance.

[Ben Gash]

The photo (although to be fair, photos can be somewhat unflattering, but then why put it on your site?)

[Sasha]

Uhh... sorry if I'm being slow, but which photo?

[R]

Sasha...

there is a pic of the senior instructor at the bottom of the page that you put onto this thread.

It isn't really that flattering and doesn't give the impression that you might see on websites such as Master Edmond Ng's.

R

[cha kuen]

CLF sets are long but you don't need many of them to get an understanding of the style. You can take a few sets and look deep within then and have enough things to fight with.

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[jmd161]

Originally posted by Ben Gash
The photo (although to be fair, photos can be somewhat unflattering, but then why put it on your site?)

That picture does'nt look like he has very good stance training.Choy Lay Fut is a Southern China style that has good foundation.He does'nt look like he has a very good foundation.Pictures can be deceiving so i would'nt put much to it ,but he looks more like a begining student than a sifu.Also a third degree black belt in kung fu i've never heard that one before.Doc Fei Wong is known for his Choy Lay Fut so check with him about this sifu.In any case be careful there are many fakes out there in this world.

jmd:)

[Sasha]

Originally posted by jmd161

Also a third degree black belt in kung fu i've never heard that one before.
jmd:)

Whatcha mean?

Confused again :confused:

[edit] Out of curiousity, can you be more specific about what's wrong with his stance? I'm bad enough at telling my own in real life, never mind someone else's from photos.

[jmd161]

Sasha ,

I could be wrong but i don't know of any Choy Lay Fut school that uses a ranking system ,but then again it could be something they have at that school.

Choy Lay Fut is an awesome style look into it.If he's legit it will be well worth the money.When i started with my sifu it was 75.00 per hr.We usually worked out about 5 hrs each time.Now he teaches me for free so you never know what will happen.I say the best thing to do is e-mail Doc Fei Wong and ask him.If this guy is for real and claims Doc Fei Wong is his sifu .Then Doc Fei Wong should know who he is.

jmd

:)

[R]

Hey I know that it is unusual but some of the clubs here..including Hong Kong based wing chun clubs use belt rankings including "dan " rankings. You hear of 7th degree black belts in kung fu etc. Sad really.

Funny thing...about 15 years ago a Japanese stylist named Dave Lowry wrote about the use of BS names......some were using names in the martial arts that were reserved for dead masters of the Kabuki theatre (ROTFLMAO)! Now adays you just accept it as part of the marketing spin some associations use.

As I said before Sasha.... go and see what they do. Also look for another CLF club to compare them with.

(Oh yeah...Lau gar system uses extensive belt rankings for colour and black belts so Sasha wouldn't find the 3rd dan BB in CLF unusual)

Cheers, R

[Sasha]

K, thanks for all the helps guys :)

[Ben Gash]

At the end of the day, the guy is an official representative of DFW. Therefore even if he doesn't look great himself, he should have all the knowledge (you don't need to be a great track runner to train olympic champions).
Whether or not you have degrees of black sash or not is no indicator of how good your kung fu is. There are plenty of schools out there that have no belt system in the traditional manner but absolutely suck or teach made up kenpo. There are also clubs that have a very detailed grading system that teach very good traditional kung fu (DFW's school being a good example of this).
Belts do not equal McDojo. Sanitised, watered done martial arts with a lack of application, teaching of forms as close to a dance form and black belt production lines equal McDojo.

[Colin]

Avoid these people like a risin capsule!

Although they have an affiliation to DFW the standards are appalling.


I agree that grades are no indication of skill though.
Many traditional CMA'a now use grading systems designed for the western student.
Even PRC are stating that their wushu masters are 7th degree level etc now.

Sasha,
Where about are you going to study? coz I should be able to help you in finding somewhere decent.
I know some excellent Chow Gar guys here in London and SE.

So if this group are the only thing near you when you are at uni than i'd suggest a course of TaeBo coz at least you know what you're getting!

cheers
Colin.......
http://www.laugar.org.uk

[Sasha]

Colin, do you say that from prior experience? Can you be a bit more specific about why you don't like them, cos I've checked on the net and there really doesn't seem to be much choice in the area.

If you can find anything it'd be really helpful, but everything else round here seems to be Karate/TKD, which I'm really not interested in. I'm studying in Canterbury (Kent), though to clarify I'm actually in my final year here, so I'm not really looking for a new style to start so much as something to keep me in practice for the rest of the time I'm here (there's a good chance I'll end up staying on emore year to do a masters).

[Ben Gash]

Again, check out www.zhengdaolo.com . Go to venue and go to the bottom of the page. Barry Phelan teaches in Cantebury on Wednesdays. Barry's a very nice guy, a good fighter and he's trained in China.

[Sasha]

Ok, I see him, but I don't see any details about what kind(s) of Kung Fu he teaches, or how to contact him (or even where Longport Hall is)?

Am I missing something? Could you fill me in?

[Ben Gash]

If it just says kung fu then it'll be a general kung fu lesson, and you can discuss what you want to learn with Barry.
I have no idea where the hall is, I live in Swindon (the assumption is kind of that if you live in Cantebury you'll be able to find it).
You can try calling Barry on 0976807526, but I've had that number for a while.

[germpest]

wondering what they represent in the art itself. Like leverages, punches, kicks, throws,etc. What does Choy have in it, etc.

[5thBrother]

Hello.

I am not choy lay fat clan .. so please forgive me but:
..
i think u misunderstand....

i know what ur thinking but the "choy lay fat" is not like choy gar "style" , lay (lee) gar "style" etc...

choy lay fat (choy lee fut) is peoples name...

founder of choy lay fat named his style after his 2 teachers choy + lay .. Fat come from buddha name ...

i have not explain properly but u get an idea and i start the ball rolling

their are long deep practitioners of choy lay fat in this forum so they will explain more clearly hopefully and correct me if i am wrong..

....

[Ben Gash]

Germpest, indeed CLF is not formed from 3 family styles, but from shaolin, Li Gar and Hung Gar/Nan Sil Lum. The techniques of the styles that Chan Heung learned are entirely synthesised into one distinct style, CLF. You'd be seriously pushed to pick one technique or principle and say "this came from..."

[Fu-Pow]

Yes, contrary to the current opinion espoused by some CLF practitionersl, CLF is probably not a "mix" of Choy Ga and Li Ga and Fut Ga kung fu.

How many people in China have the last name Choy? Or the the last name Li (Lee)? Just go to your U.S. phone book and you'll see what I'm talking about.

Just because a style is name Choy Li Fut does not mean it is affiliated with the famous family styles of Choy Ga and Li Ga.

This is a big area of confusion I think and until I see some undadulterated Choy Ga and Li Ga there is still doubt in my mind.

But Choy Li Fut IS a compilation of techniques as they were passed on by the monks Choy Fook and Li Yau Shan. But what techniques came from WHO is anybodies guess. I don't think you could so cleanly say...this technique came from Choy Fook and this came from Li Yau Shan and so on.

One thing that distinguishes CLF from other Southern styles is its incorporation of long fist techniques, probably from the Northern Styles. In this respect we differ from the other Southern arts like Wing Chun, SPM, Bak Mei, etc.

In many respects we are the most like Hung Ga in terms of techniques and spirit. However, their footwork more closely resembles other southern styles while ours is less rooted, more mobile and more intricate like northern styles.

We also have northern weapons that most Southern styles don't use, like the three section staff, hook swords, gim, etc. Most Southern styles only focus on the staff, spear, butterfly knives, broadsword etc.

CLF tries to include a little bit of everything for the most variety and flexibility. So in a way it is hard to categorize the style.

You would definitely know it if you saw it though.

[germpest]

thanks guys

[tparkerkfo]

Hello Fu Pow

Interesting coments. I never thought about it that way, but it makes sense. I don't practice Choy Li Fut and I wouldn't care to say excactly were it comes from. I let the CLF people debate that. LOL. But you make a great point. Many styles don't have actual names, by the way.

Has any one actually seen the Choy gar or Li Gar styles?

One thing I would like to add. I say this not as an expert on either system, just as a person who is looking at them with a little experience. I don't really see much of a connection or much similarity between Hung Gar and CLF. Yes there is some basic connections such as horse stance, fighting bow stance etc. Some punches are the same. But I think there is a totaly different view taken between both arts. Choy Li Fut seems to me to be based on supple swinging strikes. That seems to be the bread and butter of CLF. I think of the arms as maces whirling around. Hung Gar from my experience has these types of techniques, but they are not common. Rather you see more close in fighting where the power is not based on whiping arm speed, but rather body unity. You see a lot of reverse punching for example, which I am told is the bread and butter. Perhaps both started from similar roots and diverged in to specialties.

I see much more in common between the northern systems that Hung Gar. I have seen a couple Pek Kar forms and I see a lot of similarities in the hands attacks. I haven't seen enough of either style to make a good solid connection, but from watching them a few times, I can make the similarities out. To me, CLF is a very practical northern style. Or a northern style done in the sourthen way. LOL.

Tom
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[Fu-Pow]

Choy Li Fut seems to me to be based on supple swinging strikes. That seems to be the bread and butter of CLF. I think of the arms as maces whirling around. Hung Gar from my experience has these types of techniques, but they are not common. Rather you see more close in fighting where the power is not based on whiping arm speed, but rather body unity.

Good observation. My guess is that Hung Ga and CLF have similar roots but the techniques developed the way they did because of different influences.

There are many hand techniques shared by both that are the "same." What I mean by the "same" is that they have the same hand formation, direction of movement, etc. However, the "intention", application and way that they are delivered are definitely different.
CLF has more extension and waist turning. Hung Ga is more compact and unified.

I don't think that we could quite say that CLF is a northern stlye. It incorporates many hand techniques that you only ever see in Southern Kung Fu. So CLF is kind of the ******* child of Southern Kung Fu. It's not really Northern or Southern and contains techniques from both.

I like to think of it as a "best of" of Chinese Kung Fu in General. Some might argue with me on that point.

However, when you look at all the weapons, dummies, internal, external, etc. forms that the Chan Family has you realize it really is a compendium of many different influences.

I think the old CLF masters "cherry picked" the best techniques from many influences and brought then together into a very coherent style.

You see this theme again and again in Chinese martial arts. Lineage is rarely direct but with many branches and trees and roots.

Great convo. Thanks.

[Ben Gash]

Um, Fu Pow, there is Li Gar in CLF:rolleyes: Just no Choy Gar and no Fut Gar (unless you do Jeong hung sing)

[tparkerkfo]

Hi Fu-Pow

I think I can agree with most of what you said. I think perhaps Hung Gar and Choy Li Fut have a similar core as the basics are very similar. Execution differs, but they are similar. I think perhaps they specialized.

Choy Li Fut is very impressive from my pespective. I am lucky enough to live near san francisco which has several schools, though most are not from the Chan family. I do like what I see.

I don't see much similarity with the typical northern styles I see. But some of them have the same flavor. Similar whipping in the hands. Like I said, Pek Kwa seems to have very similar hands. But your right in the southern flavor as well. CLF doesn't seem to due the higher kicks, though it keeps the mobility to some extent.

Facinating art.
Tom
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[GARRA DE TIGRE]

fu pow :


what you said have a lot of sense . i've never put attention in that fact : choy lay don't mean choy gar and lay gar togheter .
only choy fok and lay yau san together .
i think like me a lot of people don't see this point clearly .
this info come from you sifu ?

[CLFNole]

If you do research on the 5 major families of southern kung fu: hung, lau, choy, lay & mok. The founder of Lay Gar is listed as Lay Yau San, one of Chan Hueng's teachers. I have also seen another person with the same surname as the founder of Lay Gar so I really don't know for sure.

The Choy is for Choy Fook with no correlation to Choy Gar kung fu.

Peace.

[extrajoseph]

Originally posted by germpest
wondering what they represent in the art itself. Like leverages, punches, kicks, throws,etc. What does Choy have in it, etc.

All the characteristics of CLF can be seen in the two beginners forms, Ng Lun Ma and Ng Lun Chui and I have been told San Soo has something similar.

We fight our oponents side on and turn our waist and body (Da Bok and Sei Bok) all the time whether slid back to retreat or charge forward to attack. We use fluid body movements, footworks follows handwork and vise versa, continuous and rolling all the time while hiding our center line from our opponents and attack them from unexpected angles (my favourite is Chair Sun Dat Chui or spinning back fist), high followed by low, left followed by right, punches followed by kicking, retreat followed by attack and straight line followed by curves swing, etc.

We start our san soo combo with a minimun 3 moves building up to 10 or more non-stop and never let our opponents have a break once we start. Even at the basic level we have traps, leverage and throw (Chil Seo Dan Lan and Kow Tan for example).

We have got everything (Chin-na, ground fighting, wooden dummies, the 18 weapons, qigong, TCM and lion dance etc. etc) except the fancy moves but the traditional stuff still look quite nice when done well and we can win forms competition and San Da without any drastic modifications. We look and feel more like northern plus Hung Ga rather than SPM and the Hakka styles.


CLFNole,

Lee Yau San is considered by some to be the founder of Lee Ga but there are also other lines as well like you said, there are still people practice Lee Ga in China. Parts of it look very CLF.

I am glad people are starting to get the idea that the name CLF represented past masters and not family styles. Fut is not Fut Ga, it represented Chan Yuan Wu and the Shaolin Temple. Some people say Chan Yuan Wu is the founder of Fut Ga but there are also others with different lineage.

Like Hung Ga (MA came from Hung Mun) Fut Ga started off as a generic term for MA came from the Buddhist Temples, later it grew into a style because of famous pratitioners making a name for themselves.

[germpest]

thanks extrajoseph

[qiphlow]

well now--all you can do is try...if you like it, then continue to train there. i know that Doc Fai Wong has an OUTSTANDING reputation in the kung fu community and has many talented students. as far as the money goes, the school should be able to work something out with you to both your benefits if you really want to train there. just keep in mind that "you get what you pay for..."

[abe27]

Doc fai wong has a ranking system.
See http://www.plumblossom.net/ChoyLiFut/ranking.htm

[Laukarbo]

Hey,since here are many CLF Sifu and practicioners I thought I give you a link to where I upload many scanns about CLF...
those came from from old magazines in hongkong from the 70s called Choy Li Fut..

enjoy...

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=877

[warr10rdude]

Thanks for the link dude. :)

[Laukarbo]

you are welcome...

just added some more CLF dummy scanns..check it out

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=877

[aktionmancer]

wow!

thanks!
these are awesome
cant believe its in English too!

[Sunyang]

you are welcome...

just added some more CLF dummy scanns..check it out

http://www.hungkyun.com/forum/viewtopic.php?t=877

Dear friend, it's possible to found this original book (Chinese-English) about Choy Lay Fut?
Naturally for buy !!

Sunyang

[GeneChing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JOA86evKI_Q

http://ezine.kungfumagazine.com/images/mzine/2001-4cover.jpg

JULY+AUGUST 2001 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=138)

Choy Li Fut (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-Choy-Li-Fut) 3-Section Staff (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?22762-3-Section-Staff) @ KUNG FU TAI CHI 25TH ANNIVERSARY FESTIVAL (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?69762-KUNG-FU-TAI-CHI-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-FESTIVAL-May-19-21-2017-San-Jose-CA)

[GeneChing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=V-4P0mbv6uU

Choy Lay Fut (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-Choy-Li-Fut) @ KUNG FU TAI CHI 25TH ANNIVERSARY FESTIVAL (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?69762-KUNG-FU-TAI-CHI-25TH-ANNIVERSARY-FESTIVAL-May-19-21-2017-San-Jose-CA)

[GeneChing]

Shaolin Roots: The Fut of Choy Li Fut By Brian Kuttel

http://www.kungfumagazine.com/admin/site_images/KungfuMagazine/upload/2858_KFM2018-February-COVER.jpg
JAN+FEB 2018 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=1390)

Thread: SHAOLIN SPECIAL January+February 2018 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70538-SHAOLIN-SPECIAL-January-February-2018)
Thread: Choy Li Fut (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-Choy-Li-Fut)

[GeneChing]

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DUUU9pKV4AIj39C.jpg:large

Thread: SHAOLIN SPECIAL January+February 2018 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70538-SHAOLIN-SPECIAL-January-February-2018)
Thread: Choy Li Fut (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-Choy-Li-Fut)

[GeneChing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dGSzgV0gzdQ

Thread: March April 2018 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?70677-March-April-2018)
Thread: Choy Li Fut (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-Choy-Li-Fut)

[Jimbo]

Thanks for posting that. That version of Fu Ying Kuen is very different from the one I learned.

I also have the issue. Good articles. I remember seeing Daniel Tomizaki at the old Tat Wong CMA Championships back in the '90s. He and Shane Lacey were always in the 4-star division.

[GeneChing]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NGIGQSmTWjw

[GeneChing]

Fist Like an Arrow
By Brian Kuttel

http://www.kungfumagazine.com/admin/site_images/KungfuMagazine/upload/9183_202001_Winter.jpg

WINTER 2020 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=1518)

[GeneChing]

Developing Pinpoint Accurate Strikes
The Copper Man Acupressure Dummy of Choy Lee Fut
By Emilio Alpanseque

http://www.kungfumagazine.com/admin/site_images/KungfuMagazine/upload/9183_202001_Winter.jpg

WINTER 2020 (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/magazine/article.php?article=1518)

THREADS
Point Striking (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?21278-Point-striking)
Choy Lay Fut (http://www.kungfumagazine.com/forum/showthread.php?1177-Choy-Li-Fut)