Tainan Mantis
05-05-2002, 06:42 AM
This subject comes from private e-mails with a fellow PM brother.
Dzai Kuei is a traditional PM form taught in Taiwan as well as China and the west.
Traditionally it did not exist in the HK branches, although that may have changed recently.
This form was somehow mistakenly attributed to Zhang Dekuei of Secret Door PM.
Today I asked Shr Zhengzhong and this is a summary of what he said.
Dzai Kuei was brought to Taiwan by Wang Songting. Zhang Dekuei did not know this form.
About Wang Songting. His most famous student is Gao Daosheng.
(last I heard he was in his 90's and still kicking)
But Wang Songting's best student was Ma Zhenshan. Ma studied with WST in Shandong as well as Taiwan, while most others got all or most of their training in Taiwan.
In Taiwan he became very famous and had a lot of students so it was difficult to give special attention to any particular student.
Supposedly he never taught any of the traditional PM forms like..
-beng bu
-lan jie
-8 elbows
-dzai yao
Although there is an extremely rare( I haven't seen) video of him doing Lan jie. Nobody, to my teachers knowledge can honestly claim having learned the above forms from him.
This specifically includes Gao Daosheng's Beng Bu.
Hopefully someone can supplement this info.
Recently I had a chance to interview a student of his who is also my shr ye, Li Hongjie.
Q: Why is he not as famous as some other teachers in Taiwan at present?
A: It is true that his kung fu was top notch, but he didn't know characters and so never could preserve anything for posterity.
His personality was difficult to accept. For example. When Master Gao was leading his own class through horse stance training, WST thought M Gao's stance was not low enough so came up from behind and kicked him in the butt. M Gao was already middle aged himself at this time and had to suffer this kind of treatment in front of his own students.
(At this point Yang Fengshr, a student of M Gao's added...)
M Gao's manuscript of the form Tang Lang Sho was compiled by me. I gave this to him and he used it for his video production.
(So know I know why M Gao's manuscripts differ in quality from PM hands to other forms such as Little Tiger Sparrow which is filled with incorrect characters)
Q: When did you learn from him?
A: At the time I was living with Li Kunshan in the mid 50's(Most famous plum flower master in Taiwan) and I was going behind his back to learn from WST.
When Master Li found out he was very angry with me.
WST taught me a straight sword form in a single evening. It was the most beautiful sword form I ever saw. Alas, one night is too short and I forgot.
I learned several forms from him including Little Tiger Sparrow. But I kept asking to learn one particular form and he never taught it. That is just the way he was. He had so much kung fu. In fact he had 11 shr fu. Too many shr fu.
Dzai Kuei is a traditional PM form taught in Taiwan as well as China and the west.
Traditionally it did not exist in the HK branches, although that may have changed recently.
This form was somehow mistakenly attributed to Zhang Dekuei of Secret Door PM.
Today I asked Shr Zhengzhong and this is a summary of what he said.
Dzai Kuei was brought to Taiwan by Wang Songting. Zhang Dekuei did not know this form.
About Wang Songting. His most famous student is Gao Daosheng.
(last I heard he was in his 90's and still kicking)
But Wang Songting's best student was Ma Zhenshan. Ma studied with WST in Shandong as well as Taiwan, while most others got all or most of their training in Taiwan.
In Taiwan he became very famous and had a lot of students so it was difficult to give special attention to any particular student.
Supposedly he never taught any of the traditional PM forms like..
-beng bu
-lan jie
-8 elbows
-dzai yao
Although there is an extremely rare( I haven't seen) video of him doing Lan jie. Nobody, to my teachers knowledge can honestly claim having learned the above forms from him.
This specifically includes Gao Daosheng's Beng Bu.
Hopefully someone can supplement this info.
Recently I had a chance to interview a student of his who is also my shr ye, Li Hongjie.
Q: Why is he not as famous as some other teachers in Taiwan at present?
A: It is true that his kung fu was top notch, but he didn't know characters and so never could preserve anything for posterity.
His personality was difficult to accept. For example. When Master Gao was leading his own class through horse stance training, WST thought M Gao's stance was not low enough so came up from behind and kicked him in the butt. M Gao was already middle aged himself at this time and had to suffer this kind of treatment in front of his own students.
(At this point Yang Fengshr, a student of M Gao's added...)
M Gao's manuscript of the form Tang Lang Sho was compiled by me. I gave this to him and he used it for his video production.
(So know I know why M Gao's manuscripts differ in quality from PM hands to other forms such as Little Tiger Sparrow which is filled with incorrect characters)
Q: When did you learn from him?
A: At the time I was living with Li Kunshan in the mid 50's(Most famous plum flower master in Taiwan) and I was going behind his back to learn from WST.
When Master Li found out he was very angry with me.
WST taught me a straight sword form in a single evening. It was the most beautiful sword form I ever saw. Alas, one night is too short and I forgot.
I learned several forms from him including Little Tiger Sparrow. But I kept asking to learn one particular form and he never taught it. That is just the way he was. He had so much kung fu. In fact he had 11 shr fu. Too many shr fu.