Tracing legit BJJ rankings

[SevenStar]

I remember seeing a post (I believe it was either jimmy23, knife fighter or Grappling Insanity) stating that it was easy to trace legit ranking over the net. Where can I do this?

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[Stranger]

here's a good place to start (http://www.bjj.org)

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

[SevenStar]

thanx!

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[SevenStar]

1. how hard is it to get a blue belt in BJJ? I'm wondering why someone with a blue belt (the second rank) is allowed to teach.

2. This site doesn't show academies of students trained by Royce. Why? An acquaintance of mine Recently got his purple belt from Royce, and he is encouraging me to train with him. Just for kicks, I wanted to see if he was listed as a legit instructor

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[SevenStar]

I found an Royce link on there, but the page hasn't been updated since 1999

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[DrunkenMonkey]

In some styles there are student levels and senior levels. A student black belt is different than a senior black belt. I don't actually think they can open their own school with a blue belt though....

I am just speculating.

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[Knifefighter]

Royce & Rorion don't certify too many people to teach thier "pure water" jiu jitsu. The chances are he is not officially certified by them to teach. You can call the Torrance Gracie academy to find out for sure..

[This message was edited by Knifefighter on 10-06-01 at 10:57 PM.]

[GinSueDog]

SevenStar,
It varies, it can take anywhere from six months to two years to get your bluebelt. From there you can remain a bluebelt for years before getting your purple. It all depends on who your instructor is and the time you put in. The Gracie Academy in Torrance has I think two brown belts and no black belts, while schools like the Machado's Torrance school has over a dozen brown belts at least.-ED

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

[SevenStar]

"Royce & Rorion don't certify too many people to teach thier "pure water" jiu jitsu. The chances are he is not certified by them to teach. You can call the Torrance Gracie academy to find out for sure."

I dunno, seems like he woulda busted them if they were fake - he's here all the time. Matter of factly, he's doing a seminar here in like two weeks, at the guy's school .

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[Knifefighter]

Seven Star:
He might be certified or he might just run a training association. If it is a TA, officially, he is not allowed to be an instructor. That doesn't mean he isn't a good teacher and you won't learn good stuff there. It is just a weird way Royce & Rorion run their business. As a matter of fact, it has been my experience that some of Royce's best fighters come from his training associations.“

[SevenStar]

Thanks, I'll probably check it out. I noticed your school listed on bjj.org

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[Water Dragon]

When I was actively training BJJ, it was with a Carvalho Blue. His people clean up in the local MMA events up here, and I had nothing but good experiences with them. When my financial situation is better, I definately plan on returning there.

You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom

[SevenStar]

yeah, most likely I'll be there at least twice a week. The classes are won, tues, thurs, and sat. I have kung fu on mon, wed and fri, so monday is definitely out. I'm thinking about going on tuesday and saturday.

One of his guys, David Ferguson, was in this tourney: http://www.the-dangerzone.com/news.htm

I gotta find out whether or not his won his fight though.

two other guys, David Roberts and chris condo, are the students of another acquaintance of mine. He's been a judge at several UFCs and has a blue belt in BJJ. He taught shotokan to the guy I'm thinking of training grappling under. Anyway, here's a link to it. Dunno if he won either.

http://www.fcfighter.com/ufc20bio.htm

from the looks of it, their fighters are definitely getting on the map. Even if they lost, that's more than those that haven't even tried can say.

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[SevenStar]

condo lost his fight. roberts has a record of 1-2. here's a pic of him standing over an opponent
http://www.sherdog.com/fightfinder/sherdogsfightpics.cfm?matchId=466

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[SevenStar]

ferguson won his fight too

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[GinSueDog]

I have heard that name before...I just don't remember where...the prince of leglocks maybe?

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

[LEGEND]

KF and GINUE...do u think it's necessary for these guys to study under a certified BJJ guy??? I'm finding more and more hybrid fighters with no certification...although not technically smooth as a bjj guy...they are still formidable and hella strong!

A

[SevenStar]

I thought the prince of leglocks was me. when I first started grappling, the only submissions I knew were chokes and leglocks, and I favored leglocks since they were easier to pull off for me.

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[GinSueDog]

Legend,
I don't think it is necessary. Hell, my instructor has more then a little contraversy regarding his background. I do think for anyone new to BJJ going with a legit instructor would be the best way to go. Personally when I first started getting into the whole submission grappling thing, I switched instructors twice before going with my current one. The other two had good reputations and had legit blackbelts but at the time I didn't feel I was getting the best bang for my bucks.

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

[SevenStar]

I agree with that. As long as he has something useful to teach me, then it doesn't matter much.

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[GinSueDog]

SevenStar,
If memory serves me, and I could be wrong but the Prince of Leglocks challanged a number of reputable BJJ instructors to a BJJ superfight. One of the Gracies ended up accepting and they fought maybe two years ago.-ED

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

[Watchman]

Tell Chris: much good luck against Serra from us.

[SevenStar]

And he was one of the guys I named?

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[SevenStar]

I just looked him up. That was robert ferguson, not david. they did pretty well at a recent gracie tourney also. David was in this one and got first in his division.
http://www.gracieacademy.com/tourney2001.html

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[GinSueDog]

Sevenstar,
Yeah, Robert Ferguson I believe is the one that fought one of the Gracies a while back in a challange match. He maybe fighting in the next King of the Cage, I know he is going to be fighting at the Gladiator Challange.

Watchman,
Are you sure Chris will be fighting Serra? I'll have to ask when I go to class tomorrow night.-ED

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

[SevenStar]

watchman, when are you fighting? what event?

"You ain't got enough calcium to have a bone to pick wit me,
like a Gracie, I'll choke a ***** out wit his own gi" - Rass Kass

[Watchman]

GSD,

I spotted a thread on the UG about Chris Brennan vs. Matt Serra, but can't remember what event was mentioned. I assume it's KOTC.

Sevenstar,

How did you know about that? Are you in on Rogue's surveillance operation? You've got me spooked now! :eek:

Actually, nothing is final yet. I have been offered a place on the card in MSF's next event in Nov. (in Denver), but they're still trying to nail down a specific date and venue. We'll see what happens.