Hypnotherapy and Martial Arts Performance

[Black Jack]

I thought this might be a interesting subject, the use of hypnotherapy to enhance your self defence and performance survival skills.

I know sports medicine has used methods like Hypnotism, NLP and other visualisation tools as a way to retain and increase there clients motor skills, some say to a great degree, what about martial arts development, one of the advantages martial arts has in modern times is the benefit of sports medicine and there up to date research.

Once I get the dough and the time I am going to look into finding a solid hypnotherpist who has a sports performance background, a martial arts background would be a plus, and see if we can not lay down a program to increase my abilites.

It will take some research, maybe hit and miss at first, but it sounds like a good add on to the physical training, at least it would be interesting to see if there are any benefits.

What do you guys think?

[David Jamieson]

Self hypnosis to bring about the lucidity connected with martial performance is not such a bad idea.

One could consider it a form of "meditation", which has a thousand methodologies.

Having someone else hypnotize you is different. Some of us cannot be hypnotized. There's a variety of reasons why some can and some can't be hypnotized. If you can be hypnotized, this could be a weakness in your armor :D But you can also use the commands to remove barriers to skill expression.

By definition it is a state of mind that allows you to readily and clearly respond to commands and suggestions. If you hard wire the commands to your martial skills, keep it in the range of your ability, then it can be a very useful inclusion to your regimen.

peace

[Nexus]

A person can only be hypnotized if they are willing to be. So, the same could be said in regards to martial arts skills in that, 'a person can only become more coordinated, less fearful, more courageous, more compassionate' if they are willing to be. However, can you allow yourself to be hynpotized but not allow yourself to be compassionate or fearless? If that is the case, one might ponder to ask themselves why.

[MaFuYee]

blackjack,
things like this already exist in tape/cd form.
(performance enhancement subliminal tapes.)

kung lek and nexus;
neither of your statements is entirely correct.
people are "hypnosis machines".
(not necessarily in the "stage hypnosis" sense.)

[David Jamieson]

explain "hypnosis machines"

sounds interesting.

peace

[RMAX.tv]

BJ, on my Research and Development team, I have a Behavioral Specialist, Clinical Psychologist, Neuropsychologist and Certified Hypnotherapist. We've been working for a few years now on several methodologies of mental/emotional augmentation for martial art and combat sport.

Drop me a line at Sonnon@RMAX.tv, and/or also visit

1. Flow State Performance Spiral http://www.RMAX.tv/fisticuffs.html
2. Flow-Fighting http://www.RMAX.tv/legfencing.html

Fraternal,
Scott Sonnon
RMAX Performance Enhancement Solutions
www.RMAX.tv

[dragontounge2]

Just trip some shrooms and take a few sleeping pills before you go to get hypnotized.

[Nexus]

Originally posted by MaFuYee
blackjack,
things like this already exist in tape/cd form.
(performance enhancement subliminal tapes.)

kung lek and nexus;
neither of your statements is entirely correct.
people are "hypnosis machines".
(not necessarily in the "stage hypnosis" sense.)

That is a generalization. I could say that people are naturally evil, does that make it true?

I am not a hypnosis machine because I do not choose to be. If I chose to be, than I could be hypnotized, however in choosing, I have already become hypnotized, only I attribute that hynpotism to the work of the hypnotist to support my belief that I could be hypnotized to begin with.

[Chris McKinley]

Black Jack,

I'm a Practitioner of NLP, and a few years back, was one of only 5 people working on martial and/or combat applications of it. I was responsible for most of the specific applications specifically related to martial arts at that time and as such, wrote the first book about it in 1994 titled Mind of a Warrior. NLP also includes Ericksonian hypnosis techniques and trance-related work is very conducive to martial arts performance. It is also naturally integrated into standing meditation practice, which I do daily.

I recommend Time for a Change by Richard Bandler or any of Tad James's books on timelines.

[TjD]

i think people are always looking for a way to cheat the system; get ahead without putting in the time

personally im always wary of cop-outs; the path is whats important

if you want true results, i got one word for ya

practice


peace
trav

[RMAX.tv]

Trav,
You could not be more accurate.
There are no short-cuts to enhancing performance.
However, there are ways to prevent people from "getting in their own way" of development. In other words, there are ways to help people not take LONGER-routes than necessary.
Coaching effectiveness programming derives from the notion of creating an Errorless Learning environment, carefully manicuring the training environment, because...

Practice doesn't make perfect.

Practice makes permanent.

As a result, effective coaching facilitates the athletes exploration (trial) while removing/minimizing the athletes perceived failure (error).

Good teachers followed this pedagogy for millennia. However, with the increased volume of coaches and athletes of martial art and combat sport, we see an intensification of ineffective coaching.

Through contemporary huckersterism and unethical commercialism, we see informercial personalities "selling" their mental/emotional augmentation techniques as "Magic Pills" for financial, marital, sexual, etc., success. They portray such methods as "short-cuts." You are definitely right here, Trav.

We also see people believing that physical skill and talent translate to coaching ability. Learning to perform and learning to coach comprise two different syllabi, and as a result, we dedicated a portion of our research and development towards producing more effective coaches.

In the seven years that my company has existed, it is my sincere hope that we've managed to maximize the perceived success of "trial" and minimize the perceived failure of "error." This is why one of our institutional credos is: "Perfecting practice makes perfect."

Fraternal,
Scott Sonnon
www.RMAX.tv

[Nexus]

Tjd,

Practice leads to imperfection. The only people who practice are those who are unsastisfied with the way that they are. If you practice, you have missed the entire point. There is no path upon which you think you walk, so how can practice make a difference?

[TjD]

so i should sit on the couch and do nothing? :)

peace
travis

[Nexus]

You do not even take yourself seriously, how can you then tell me that you take these arts seriously?

[GeneChing]

I wouldn't call that cheating at all unless that all you did. It's more like enhancing your training. We are all trying to enhance our training, hypnosis is just another possible device. I experimented with it a little when I was competing. Can't say that the results were that spectacular, but then again, I have nothing negative to say about it either. Some people swear by it and that's great for them. Who am I to comment on someone else's warrior journey? That path is for your steps alone.

[Nexus]

Warriors do not journey and do not walk the path alone. A warrior has no need to walk for he is comfortable where he is, whether it be on the battlefield or resting in a bed, so why talk of journeys?

[Black Jack]

This is not about looking for a cop-out, I put in my training time.

I am just curious to any enchanment effects Hynposis and NLP could have on one's combative development. To see if doing certain kinds of outside visualisation and programming excercises will give a person a boost in there overall performance rate both physical and mental.

Sounds like a good investment to check out if one could find the investment to have a pragmatic and practical effect on ones growth.

Chris,

Sounds like you were ahead of the game, good for you. Have you found that Hypnois and NLP have increased your martial development? People use it for many things outside of the martial world for success, so why not in the self defense field.

Same goes for you to Scott.

I will check out your sites and drop you a line.

Cheers.

[RMAX.tv]

Who has studied or used NLP in MA?

http://stickgrappler.tripod.com/ug/ognlp.html

Hypnosis, NLP, And The Combat Edge

http://www.e-budo.com/vbulletin/showthread.php?threadid=10928

[Chris McKinley]

Black Jack,

Yes, I've found both methodologies and a few others have been helpful in almost every aspect of my martial arts study and with the various types of students and clients I've worked with over the years.

[TjD]

how am i to take a self that isnt there seriously?

peace
travis

[TjD]

i would think that the tried and true method of self introspection to solve ones mental problems would perhaps be better than hypnosis

i just have trouble trusting in things that are something for nothing

peace
travis

[Nexus]

Tjd,

Trust in something for nothing and all of your problems will be solved.

Let's understand why this is true: If you are a healer, and you heal for your own benefit, how can you call yourself a healer? Healers often heal for money, but most of all they heal for the egotism in thinking that they can 'actually' heal somebody at all. Only a healer who does not try to heal can heal, for they are doing something for nothing. If they try to heal, they are healing for the purpose of healing.

If you wan't to understand this, tell someone you are going to do something for them, and then do not do it. Then tell them you are not going to do something and then do it. Then realize that the person you are telling is yourself.

[Nexus]

Originally posted by TjD
how am i to take a self that isnt there seriously?

peace
travis

If you want the answer email me beng@bored.com and ask me a different question that says the same thing as the one you already asked.

[TjD]

when you give something its already a gift

the best gift is given without giving

peace
travis

[TjD]

when it comes to kung fu however; there is no improvement without doing something :)


in terms of having a body which will react the way you want it to in a given situation, with your styles "correct kung fu responses", you have to do something

your body learns things by repetition; and ill go so far as to say that your mind does as well

if your mind is in an angry state often, then it will be in an angry state often


im not so sure a hypnotist can go inside your mind and find the reset button

peace
travis

[Nexus]

Originally posted by TjD
when it comes to kung fu however; there is no improvement without doing something :)


You had the right idea until you tried to prove a point. You are wrong about kung fu. The only improvement in kungfu occurs when you do nothing at all. Only when you do something are you unable to do nothing. When you do something, you become locked into what you have chosen to do and so can do nothing else except for that. How then can you improve, when you are spending all of your time doing? You can only improve if you spend your time improving, doing is for doing, improving is for losing.

[Darren Laur]

Scott SONNON asked me to post here due to my experience in this topic:

Hypnosis, NLP, and the Combative Edge



I truly believe that Hypnosis and NLP it is going to be the next "nexus" in combative training. Let me explain

As trainers, we attempt to make the trained response the dominate response. How do we do this, by teaching gross motor skills and utilizing the training techniques of REPETITION. and scenario based training.

As a Certified Hypnotherapist CHt. ( My training was through a company called the “Meridian Institute, 180hrs of training, and my Certification is through the “International Medical and Dental Hypnotherapy Association”), at my school I have not only been able to increase retention and usability of specific motor skills through Hypnosis and NLP techniques, but I have been able to decrease the amount of time needed to get the specific motor skill taught to be downloaded into the subconscious mind. What does this mean, when hypnosis is used with physical repetition, the amount of time needed to become unconsciously competent is decreased dramatically !!!! This is a training technique that both amateur and professional athletes have been using for years.


Traditionally, trainers have used lots of repetition to pound a specific motor skill through the conscious/ critical mind, and into the subconscious mind. Through hypnosis, we can take a motor skill program, and directly download it (by-passing the conscious/critical mind) into the subconscious. It must be understood however, that hypnosis is not an alternative to actual physical repetition, but when used in conjunction with repetition, hypnosis can greatly increase motor skill performance and warrior instinct !!!


Here is one way that I use hypnosis to increase motor skill performance:


Step #1:

New motor skill taught and chunked until student is consciously competent


Step #2:

Once student is consciously competent, induction into state of hypnosis where I now download program into subconscious.


Step #3:

Once Motor Skill program has been downloaded into subconscious, student is taken through a guided imagery session, where the motor skill taught is being utilized in a real world scenario.


Step #4:

Student is exited from hypnosis, and motor skill is again physically practiced. From my experience, you can usually see immediate results.


On average, depending upon the motor skill being learned, 6-12 sessions of hypnosis are utilized. A fellow police trainer has found for firearms training, an increase in performance can take place after only ONE session.


I also teach my students, to utilize self-guided imagery session, which only enhances and compounds the specific Motor Skill(s)

The science and art of hypnosis and NLP are two tools that all trainers should be utilizing with students. Like any tool, get professional training and certification first. Do your homework, there are a number of schools out there that advertise that they offer "certified hypnotherpist" and "NLP" training, but really don't, and only want to take your money. My CHt training was over 180hrs.


To my knowledge, there are only two individuals presently using hypnosis and NLP in combatives training, myself and a fellow police trainer by the name of Brian Willis. In fact, the FBI is so impressed with Brian's results, they have sent representatives from Quantico's physical training branch to look into what is being done by us Canadians.


Yes, Gross motor skills are easily learned through repetition, but with the inclusion of hypnosis and NLP, they are learned faster and in combative context. Remember, the subconscious mind cannot tell the difference between fantasy and reality. Through proper and professional guided imagery sessions (hypnosis), I can place my students in "any" combative situation where they are there in mind, body, and spirit. This is very powerful due to the 7 "P" principal of personal safety : "proper pre-planning prevents **** poor performance"


Hypnosis and motor skill performance enhancement is real. Both amateur and professional athletes have been using it for years ( I suggest you read a book called " The Mental Edge") Unfortunately, as a professional Hypnotherapist, I must fight the myths surrounding this topic because of what stage hypnotists do. I too was a non-believer until I was exposed to it. I'm a big believer in "don't tell me something is going to work, show me it is going to work" The results that I have seen, as well as other trainers, speak for themselves.


This is not Voodoo or sitting on a mountain to be enlightened. Hypnosis is both a science and art that CAN and WILL give a Combative Edge !!!!!

[Darren Laur]

What is NLP ?, My short definition is:

Neuro: Brain

Linguistic: Language

Programming: Behavior


NLP is often referred to as the “Software for the Brain”, NLP is a model for being able to duplicate human excellence and learn new behavior at an accelerated pace (primarily through communication). NLP is first and foremost an attitude, an attitude of curiosity and methodology. In my opinion, NLP is a method for “Modeling” excellence. There are two major areas that NLP is famous for:


· Advanced strategies for communication/influence (this is what I do)
· Fast and effective models for creating behavioral change

What NLP really is, is a completely unique synthesis of cybernetics, neurology, and linguistics that offers a person practical methods for rapid personal improvement. Really, NLP is the science of using your brain, your language and your behavior to get what you want.


I guess the caveat here is to understand that there are many different schools of NLP, just as there a many different schools of psychology. Each has their own take on NLP. There is however cross pollination in all.


What I have taken form my NLP studies is that every brain has the same neurological wiring, but from the moment you are born, you and your environment begin to program it so that it is unique to you alone. There is no other brain in the world like yours. We take in information through our senses, and process this information in a way that is unique to each individual on the planet. In doing so, we create software programs that run on automatic until we learn a new program. Our brain relies on our senses to bring them information. We see, heart, touch, taste, and smell things in the world. Once we do this, these sensory experiences are turned into a picture, a sound, or a feeling on the inside of our minds. I call this the language of the subconscious.

NLP teaches that there are three basic ways that a person (read combative student) will learn. Visual, Auditory, Kinesthetic. Although all three may overlap, one will be the “primary” language of the subconscious.


Characteristics Of Visual People:

Visuals understand what you say by what they see. They turns your words into pictures and images. Their minds work like view-masters or movie cameras and are happiest when you paint pictures for them. Visuals talk about seeing, how things appear, from a point of view.


Characteristics Of Auditory People:

Auditories are sound based people. They listen to how you say things. They get more information from how you say things that by what you show them. The paralinguistic cues (how you say what you say) are more important that your content. Their mind works like a jukebox or tape recorder. It plays back recordings to get an idea of what you are talking about.


Characteristics Of Kinesthetic People:

Kinesthetic people make decisions by how they feel rather than by what they see or hear. Their information comes predominantly from touch, feeling, emotions, gut instinct, hunches, and attitude more than what you say. They have a good kinesthetic memory and need to “feel it” before they trust you.





The language of the subconscious is very important for me to understand, because if I’m teaching a motor skill in a language that is not understood by my student(s) then learning is difficult or does not take place at all. This is where frustration can be seen in the student because in their words, “ they just aren’t getting it.” A good instructor will learn to listen to the student in order to pick up on their language of the subconscious. If a student is painting a picture using visual words, when speaking to that person, the instructor must paint them a picture as well. If the student is talking about how things sound or feel to them, the instructor should be speaking in similar terms. Thus, the listener receives the message that the instructor hears and understands them. This is a major step in increasing the degree of “rapport” and understanding between you the instructor and student. If you treat a visual student like a Kinesthetic, the visual student will have troubles understanding and therefore, frustration builds and learning is stunted. To the subconscious, you are speaking a language that it does not understand..


When teaching combatives in a group context, I always demonstrate the technique (communicate what I am doing) in ways to cover off all three communication styles; visual, auditory, kinesthetic for the above noted reasons. This is something that I have identified that many instructors do not do. Many instructors only teach in their own specific “sub-conscious“ language because that is how they learn and understand. These instructors do not know, because of lack of knowledge, that students “may” communicate/understand at a different level than their’s. Remember, not everyone learns/communicates the same way. When students break off to practice the skill, I will then adapt the “subconscious language” to meet their individual communication style. This is especially true if a student is having difficulty performing a specific motor skill, and needs help. This is how I primarily use NLP in combatives here at my school, or when I conduct seminars.



Other nuggets I use from NLP include:


Questions are more powerful than affirmations:

People who do affirmations are wasting their time because they are actually setting up internal conflicts that cause them to activate the opposite of what they want.. When people look into a mirror and say “ in every day and in every way, I am getting better and better”, a part of their mind comes back and says, “bull!” doesn’t it? It is just like if I told yu that you have a blue shirt on when you actually have a read one on ! I say “nice blue shirt” and you say, “it’s not blue, its red.” Then I say, :it’s blue”, and you say, “no it’s red”… we could go on like this forever…. which is exactly what happens for most people when they do affirmations.

Instead of engaging yourself in this confrontative struggle with yourself, you could begin to ask yourself questions instead. Questions will always get you an answer. Questions change what you are focused on. They get you to focus on either what is good about you, your environment or your behavior or what is bad. An affirmation in the form of a question is 300 to 400 times more effective and will literally train your brain to translate the affirmation into your behavior. Remember, the brain learns quickly to move in directions. Questions direct the mind. They divide experiences and lead our attention. Questions demand an answer. This is why I teach in a combative context to ask yourself the question, “am I threatened, or am I challenged” If you find yourself in a threatened mind set and stay there, you are in trouble, hypervigilance will set in. If on the other hand you get challenged, the training and the experience that you have can now deal with the threat at hand. By challenging the brain, even if you do not have the training or experience to deal with the situation at hand, the brain will begin to adapt, overcome, and improvise to get itself out of danger. (please see my posting on the use of FEAR for more details)


NLP also gave me an understanding semantics, and their deeper meaning:


· I never use the word “try” as an instructor. To the subconscious brain, try denoted “failure”. But how many times have you heard an instruct say, “just try it again.” Instead use “do it again”
· I never use the word “defender” ie attacker/defender. Defending denotes “defensive” mindset. I want “offensive” mind set in my students, so I always substitute defender with “fighter” ie Attacker/Fighter
· I never use wrong or right. ie “that is the wrong way to use that technique.” I always use desirable/less desirable. In the street, wrong will denote failure. Everything we do in combatives is desirable. Some techniques are more desirable than others.


Again, there are a number of differing schools when it comes to NLP. Each has their own take on what NLP can do, and where it can be used. I am only using NLP as an aid to increase motor skill performance through communication/understanding be it visual, auditory, or kinesthetic.


Yes, NLP and hypnotherapy have some commonality, but I do use them quite differently. I use hypnosis for the purpose of:


· Dropping a specific motor skill directly into the subconscious mind, thus decreasing the amount of time needed to learn the motor skill with repetition alone
· Anchoring specific stimulus/response techniques at the subconscious level
· Teaching guided imagery (visualization) using a three step process:

1. Visualize or imagine the accomplished goal or outcome
2. Make a movie of how you achieved this goal
3. Build a contingency plan (plan “B” abort technique should plan “A” fail)

In guided imagery ordinarily, the third step is what people do to program their mind for failure because they imagine everything going wrong, but not what they did to overcome it. Using this method of visualization, you program your mind for how to overcome adversity along the way if you encounter it. When you learn how to run your brain then a world of endless possibility and opportunity becomes available. This is especially important in combatives.




KNOWLEDGE AND THE UNDERSTANDING OF THAT KNOWLEDGE IS POWER


Strength and Honor

Darren Laur
Integrated Street Combatives
personalprotection@shaw.ca

[Black Jack]

Thanks for taking the time to post your research Darren,

That is one interesting and very educated post, a lot of good info for me to run through my brain, again thanks a bunch.

I am sure I will have some questions.

Peace

[Tao-Yin-Lee]

http://www.tibetankungfu.com/new_page_15.htm

Tao.

[Nexus]

The funniest thing happened to me this weekend. After reading this thread, I decided I should test my theory about myself not being able to be hypnotized if I didn't want to be and so I went to a hypnotist that my brother works with at his part time job. The guy sat me down in a chair, and started going through what I thought was the regular routine, except he kept saying two words that I thought were rather odd. Anyways, turns out I woke up about thirty minutes later with no memory of what happened and I was wearing different pants then I came in with. LOL!!!

Of course I put them back on before I left, but none the less I would say going to a hypnotist is definetely a worthwhile experience.

I am certainly glad I went.

- Nexus

[The Willow Sword]

HOW ABOUT instead of being hypnotized to improve your performance why not try TRAINING HARDER AND LIVING IN REALITY??!!!!!!:rolleyes:

[Darren Laur]

The Willow Sword:

you stated:

"HOW ABOUT instead of being hypnotized to improve your performance why not try TRAINING HARDER AND LIVING IN REALITY??!!!!!!"


Training harder and training in a realistic environment is very important to combatives, as it is in high level amateur/professional athletics. But, even these athletes utilzed the techniques of hypnosis and NLP to increase motor skill performance.


Hypnosis/NLP ,as it relates to combative enhancement, is not designed to be used in isolation, but rather in conjunction with hard physical training.


Strength and Honor

Darren Laur
Integrated Street Combatives
personalprotection@shaw.ca

[Black Jack]

Willowsword...yada...yada...yada

Modern sports training & medicine uses hypnosis to help to improve there atheletes performance all the time, pro-football, hockey, basketball, baseball, olympic sports, those are multi-multi-million dollar operations, with access to the best equipment on the planet, most concrete training & nutrition methods on the planet, best personal trainers/coaches on the planet and access to the newest methods of performance research and technology.

That itself should be a serious indication of its caliber.

What I am talking about our areas of research that are a far cry from unproveable mystical energies, chi claptrap, yodda chi blasts, no-touch knockouts, and other such nonsense that those who like to dwell in the fanatsy land of an imanigary past try to talk about as if its not make believe.

No one said people should stop training, this is about looking at other outside methods, to increase the hard physical work one puts into the training.

Thats all.

[Braden]

I am utterly amazed at the negative reactions in this thread. Could you people elaborate on your criticisms, just so I could see the logic behind them?

[Darren Laur]

Braden:

It does not surprise me that there are those in this thread who do not believe that both hypnosis and NLP can, and will, provide a combative edge. Why:

1) When people think hypnosis they think "mind Control" which it is not. All hypnosis is self-hypnosis.

2) When people think hypnosis, they think "stage hypnosis" i.e. making people cluck like a chicken or bark like a dog. This category of hypnosis is not what I'm talking about in my post.

3) Concern for the unknown. Like it or not, people do not know about the "advantages" of hypnosis and NLP as it relates to motor skill enhancement. Because of this lack of knowledge, they criticize that which they do not fully understand.


Remember, Knowledge and the understanding and application of that knowledge is power. That was what my post was all about


CAUTION IS NEEDED:

If one is going to fully gain the advantages offered by Hypnosis and NLP ,specific to motor skill enhancement, you need to seek out a professional certified hypnotherapist (CHt)who specializes in this topic area. There are many who dabble in hypnosis(such as stage hypnotism), but these same people do not fully understand its ability to help, and more importantly, ability to damage. So do your homework first !!!!!!!


Strength and Honor

Darren Laur CHt.
Integrated Street Combatives
personalprotection@shaw.ca

[Darren Laur]

I have just posted a thread called " Exposing martial Art/Self Defence Trickery And Slight Of Hand" in the street combatives forum of this web site. This is a really good example of why people "believe" that hypnosis is bogus. This is what I'm constantly trying to battle and more importantly, educate people about.


Strength and Honor

Darren Laur
Integrated Street Combatives
personalprotection@shaw.ca

[Braden]

Mr. Laur -

What amazes me is this idea that using such methods are somehow 'cheating', or that it is somehow 'nothing.' The former confuses me, the latter simply doesn't make any sense.

When one does training of any sort, they are conditioning their minds and bodies to react certain ways in certain circumstances. Hypnosis and NLP are prominent examples of the study of how to condition minds and bodies to react certain ways in certain circumstances. There doesn't seem to me to be much of a conceptual leap here. ;)

[Chris McKinley]

Mr. Laur,

Very glad to see you here. And welcome to a fellow NLPer. :)

I, too, don't find it necessarily surprising that there might be a degree of resistance to some of these methodologies. They simply don't yet fit into the perceptual realities of many people. Perhaps there's a skepticism there which is useful in many contexts.

Either way, I'm glad to see another strong voice for such methods in training. About 8 to 10 years ago, I was responsible for developing some of the earlier applications of NLP specifically to combat/martial arts. In 1994, I wrote what was then the first book to apply NLP and other Accelerated Learning methods to the teaching of the martial arts titled Mind of the Warrior. In 1997, I refined some of these techniques through the input and advice of Richard Bandler and John LaValle. I had a consultancy throughout these years and much of my work with certain professional clientele involved healthy doses of trance work and other NLP methods, as does my current martial arts teaching.

If you are so inclined, I would appreciate the chance to hear about the work you are doing in Canada regarding NLP and combat. Perhaps we might communicate by email as well. If so, my email address is chrsmckinley@yahoo.com. It's essentially my name, but with the "i" removed from my first name for anti-spamming purposes.

Anyway, thanks again for your generous contribution to this thread and I look forward to hearing more. :)

Chris McKinley

[Darren Laur]

Thanks, and check your home e-mail for a message


Darren

[roughnready]

i have heard that many secret inteligence groups or organizations use hypnosis very sucessfuly. is there any truth to that?