New Wing Chun videos uploaded !

[Buddha_Fist]

Hi guys, we've just uploaded some video sequences:

http://www.wingchunbakmei.com/tech1.htm


Hope you like them! :)

[gnugear]

Nice. Thanks for sharing.

[TjD]

cool stuff!

it was interesting seeing someone use claws in WC, coming from a yip man lineage

peace
travis

[Mr Punch]

TjD, the site plainly stated that the claw stuff was from Pan Nam lineage. It was interesting though.

Big guy, but looks quite soft.

Didn't buy any of the throat grab or disarm stuff though... sorry.

[Chum Kil]

Cool clips. When I lived in Sacramento I visited Sifu Chong's school on Auburn Blvd. he's a nice guy and know's his Wing Chun. Saw him do a demo at Tat Mau Wong's Tournament in San Francisco in 97 very impressive.

[TjD]

>TjD, the site plainly stated that the claw stuff was from Pan Nam >lineage. It was interesting though.


i know, i meant myself coming from a yip man lineage, having not seen claws used before

peace
trav

[Buddha_Fist]

"Didn't buy any of the throat grab or disarm stuff though... sorry."

As these videos were supposed to be for demonstrative purposes, the techniques are performed very slowly. I know that in order to 'buy' it, people need to see how they are really performed. Last Saturday's seminar was an eye-opener for many people, as Sifu Michael Chong's speed doing these and many other techniques was astonishing.

As soon as the footage we took on Saturday is ready, I promise to upload it so you can see it by yourself. :)

Btw, there's another seminar coming up this Saturday! :D

Peace.

[Zhuge Liang]

Hey BF, I just sent you an email through the forum. I don't know if it will deliver to the mailbox you use or if it just gets sent to your account on the forum. Let me know if you've received it.

Thanks

Zhuge Liang

[red5angel]

BF - Are you a student of Eddie Chongs? I have a few questions for you. First is, do you know why Sifu Chong added Bak Mei into his wing chun?
Also, there is an instructor around here who learned from Sifu Chong, and one thing I noticed is his arms tend to be loose and floppy. After watching the videos, it seems Sifu Chongs are as well, is this on purpose or is it an affectation? the reason I ask is that it seems to me that arms should be under control, loose and relaxed but with intent behind them. Does this make sense?

[Buddha_Fist]

Zhuge Liang: I haven't received anything. E-mail me to

goldener_drache@hotmail.com :)

[Buddha_Fist]

"BF - Are you a student of Eddie Chongs? I have a few questions for you. First is, do you know why Sifu Chong added Bak Mei into his wing chun?
Also, there is an instructor around here who learned from Sifu Chong, and one thing I noticed is his arms tend to be loose and floppy. After watching the videos, it seems Sifu Chongs are as well, is this on purpose or is it an affectation? the reason I ask is that it seems to me that arms should be under control, loose and relaxed but with intent behind them. Does this make sense?"

OK, here we go:
Yes, I am one of his students. His Bak Mei isn't 'added' to his Wing Chun, the classes are held totally separately. Period. However he can use the Bak Mei techniques when doing Wing-Chun, for example in sparring, which I would expect from any advanced practicioner who has spent over 30 years training.

Loose and floppy arms? I don't know about the instructor you're talking about. But in regards of Sifu Chong, believe me, if you Chi-Sao with him there is definitely 'intend' and forward pressure behind. I don't know how long you have practiced Wing-Chun, but I invite you to visit him here in CA or to Mn when he's teaching there a seminar to touch hands with him. Who knows, you might be surprised. He's known as being a good practitioner from the Leung Sheung - Kenneth Cheung lineage (besides of his later work in the Pan Nam lineage).

Does this answer your questions?

Regards!

[gnugear]

Here's a loaded question:

Do you know why Chong started studying Pan Nam? Was it strictly to compliment the Yip Man/Leung Sheung system, or did he feel he was missing something?

[red5angel]

Sort of BF, it may be hard to see the floppiness if that is the way you do it, that is why I was asking because it seems pretty consistant from the guys I have seen who learned from him. I wont throw any names around but the guy I talked to was teaching in St. Paul, he still is from what I understand but dont know if he is still teaching Sifu Chongs stuff. I did however notice that this guy claimed the Bak Mei was sort of mixed in, he was always concerned with training your fingers for clawing type motions which are popular in Bak Mei. From day one he has you training for them.
Although it would seem to me that it sort of mixes itself in if you are using it for sparring? Does he encourage this?

[Buddha_Fist]

gnugear: This was discussed before in this forum. Just do a little bit of search. I think that after 20 years of training strictly Leung Sheung Wing Chun, you might be get interested in expanding your horizon. However he indeed found answers to many questions that he had.

red5angel: Prior to training under Sifu Chong, I trained WT for 2 years. So that I don't think that I don't notice the differences. I wasn't trained for his stuff from day one, as is the case of many other of his students. Clawing type motions are borrowed from Pan Nam Wing Chun (I guess you've not been exposed to this previously). Bak Mei is usually taught after having learned Wing-Chun. So you can expect the senior students to apply it in sparring.

How long have you been training? Who's your Sifu?

Regards!

[Mr Punch]

I'm not dissing your sifu one bit. He looks **** fine, and I know it's hard to represent your art accurately on vid.

However, I doubt very much that he is faster than someone squeezing his finger.

And I've been in a throat grab situation (which I'd trained simple techniques for not unlike his, many many times) and the dynamics are pretty tricky, if your attacker is really intent on doing some damage.

I would love to check out Chong Sifu's wing chun (and Pak Mei), but I'm a bit of a way away!;)

Look forward to the next vids.

Sorry if you covered any of this in your last posts, no time now, just checked your answer to me...:(

[Mr Punch]

Just noticed you're online, but I really have to go now... shame, would've been nice exploring this a little further...:(

Next time...

[red5angel]

Hey BF - thats right Pan Nam, I remember this guy mentioned that, I guess he gave the impression that most o fthe clawing was from Bak Mei and it was mixed into the wing chun. Since then I havent been to a school that works on the grasping and hand conditioning like he did.
Leung sheung>Kenneth Chung>Carl Dechiara>Me
I have been studying for roughly 2 and a hlaf years. In the last six months I have started training with a school here locally and we are all learning from Carl.

I guess I cant explain the floppiness I see any better really, just noticed that from the other shools I have trained his elbows just seem much more loose, they go up much higher......

[popsider]

Very interesting.

What exactly is the clawing attack doing though - given that we don't have claws - I'm having difficulty figuring out what damage that would cause to someone?

Also it seems to be quite a circular sort of an attack -or at least one that comes out and slashing across rather than penetrating into the opponent - is that a fair comment ?

Take these as questions rather than criticisms.

[red5angel]

Most clawing attacks are designed to tear flesh, or muscle, atleast that was what this guy was saying I trained with. He had us doing finger type conditioning so that our fingers got tough, giving them an ability to sort of grip the flesh better.

[Buddha_Fist]

red5angel: We come from a similar lineage. Interesting. :)

popsider: Just complementing red5angel's post, the clawing technique is a vicious one, that fits in easily into a lot of situations (body positions you and your opponent are in a certain moment). Obviously most effective in soft spot areas: eyes, throat, etc where it is possible to do a lot of damage with little effort. Hope this helps a bit.