Some short videos, mostly taiji bagua

[Braden]

http://www.angelfire.com/ca/hluong/movie.htm

[Merryprankster]

You know what I'd really like to see? I'd like to see videos of this stuff IN ACTION. Any of those?

[Braden]

http://homepage.mac.com/mancheta/imovie.html

http://www.hsing-i.com/pics/index.html

http://www.blacktaoist.com/Images.html

http://www.shuaichiao.org/video/

http://www.brainsalad.com/mov/clip06.mov

[Merryprankster]

Good clips, and informative...

But I meant more like this....

http://www.onthemat.com/Images/bj/bj_video/bj-final-large.mov

[Braden]

:confused: There were clips in those sites directly from tournaments, weren't there?

Or did you mean ones with hip urban soundtracks? :D

[jun_erh]

mp- I went to a wedding a few weeks ago and one of my housemates brought along an on the mat video magazine. I have to say it was the most boring thing I've ever seen in my life. Just an opinion. One of my other friends is just sort of graduating TKD and is looking to start something new. He said "Wow. I'm glad I got a chance to see this before I signed up for a class" There was no striking at all. Maybe it was something else...

[Merryprankster]

What's your point, Jun_erh?

The point was to show that I'm interested to see people using tai chi to beat on each other.

That was a sport BJJ tourney. Within the Sport BJJ context, that was BJJ in action. If you want to see BJJ in action with people also striking, don't watch grappling tournament tapes.

And yes, grappling is VERY boring to watch unless you are an educated audience. That's why it will never catch on as a spectator sport. It's also why we have forced stand-up rules in MMA events, and rounds.

Yes Braden, there were--Tim Cartmell's school I think? I missed them the first time.

Sorry.

Oddly enough, they look just as artless as many CMA people claim MMA fighters look :rolleyes:

Are there any others?

[Le nOObi]

Originally posted by Merryprankster
Oddly enough, they look just as artless as many CMA people claim MMA fighters look

We have to keep in mind they were just students though

[Merryprankster]

So are the MMA guys on some of the less well known tapes or at the local or amateur fights that everybody rips on on here.

[Souljah]

check out -
http://www.bilang.net/videos/index.shtml


theyve got some very capoiera like videos

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

if all kf guys do their forms like the guy in snow im starting to understand why we get made fun of so much. he didn't look terrible but it didnt look like he had much intent. i thought bagua was all about intent. taichi too. maybe he felt wierd in front of the camera or something, but i wasn't really impressed.

the buy in blue looked much more focused and solid, but i'd like more clips of people fighting with their stlye too.

it all most makes me want to learn grappeling and enter some of these fu cking tortaments. i'd fight with my style. it might not be pretty, and i'd probably lose, but it would be with what i learned. i'd come and try to take your space and get hurt, but i'd get drunk afterwards and still feel like a man for trying. and maybe someone would see something i did, and see how that could work if it were done by someone else.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i missed drinking. i think beer is one of the greatest gifts we get in this life. it's underneeth only our children in the zest for life it rapes us into yeilding to.

[Braden]

"Oddly enough, they look just as artless as many CMA people claim MMA fighters look"

I assume this is a criticism of comments other people make, and not of the videos posted. ;)

One of the things to keep in mind with bagua (which is the only one of the above I know much about, and why I posted the original clips) is that it is less than 200 years old, primarily taught one-on-one, has never had any formal representation/governing, and half way through it's 'life' went through the cultural revolution where every practitioner was killed or driven into hiding. That there is any information on this art 'a single click away' is pretty remarkable. If you want more/decent info, it's out there, but you'll have to be active to get it. I understand blacktaoist has an excellent tape of bagua beating on taiji, but I haven't seen it.

GDA - There were some things in his bagua form that were inconsistent with what I've been taught to do. It is actually much better though, than most of what you can find on the net. Forms, though, are just exercises. One wouldn't watch a video of a Muay Thai-ist doing push ups, and then comment on how un-martial MT is.

[Merryprankster]

Braden--cool. I getcha. It's the **** culture of secrecy surrounding CMA.

[Braden]

Well, to the extent that 'not caring about public promotion' = secrecy, yeah. Although there is some literal secrecy too. And there are also people promoting publically (eg. the above). At the end of the day though, it is a small, young, and diverse community with no infrastructure - so what you'd get is exactly what you'd expect.

[Merryprankster]

Fair enough.

Plus, they haven't had a marketing campaign like the UFC :)

[Le nOObi]

Originally posted by Merryprankster
So are the MMA guys on some of the less well known tapes or at the local or amateur fights that everybody rips on on here.

No need to get all defensive! I didnt say something like "we need to keep in mind that they are just students that still have alot to learn, unlike people in BJJ that never learn anything and also suck alot." I just said that they were students!

[Order]

On Shenwu there are some fight clips.

[wiz cool c]

what style was that on the brainsalad site?

[Brad Souders]

http://www.thepowerfanfilm.com/othervids.html

See if this MMA school is bullsh*t when it comes to self defense

MP- this is the school i train at and the guys looking to hold the submission tourney in Nov. Eric is planning to do a video very similar to this @ Lloyds. So have your fancey non-effective BJJ moves ready :) I would say within a week we will be making a trip down now that Eric is back ;)

[Braden]

wiz cool c - Xingyiquan.

The clip was from this gallery: http://www.emptyflower.com/xingyiquan/crushing/ken/video/index.html

[kungfu cowboy]

Cool clips and a great site in general.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

that is by far the best clip i have seen on here brad. and im a kung fu guy. props.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

jesus christ brad, your site has some bandwidth. i watched it from home last night and decided to download it for some friends at work today. i peaked out at nearly 1.4 MBS.

[Rolling Elbow]

Braden

my only concern with those clips is that without seeing the applications, people can be left feeling a little doubtful...

the empty flower vids were interesting but again, the vid of the master in his 70's throwing around his son make me wonder whether or not his technique would work on a much larger opponent..i don't know, i guess you'd have to feel it and i am sure he would adapt. Schools should be more realistic and put up clips that show some high tempo combat applications of there forms. Who agrees with this?

[Braden]

:confused: Among the clips posted were fights from a full contact competition. What more would you like?

[Braden]

Moreover, none of the clips I posted were intended by anyone to be an advertisment for their business, nor propaganda to swing public favor in their direction. They were simply people sharing things they enjoyed with other people who enjoyed them.

[Braden]

And moreover, what I posted wasn't billed by anyone as 'the definitive guide to the neijia.' It was simply an obscure clip I stumbled upon which I thought others might enjoy.

[Brad Souders]

Originally posted by Braden
Moreover, none of the clips I posted were intended by anyone to be an advertisment for their business, nor propaganda to swing public favor in their direction. They were simply people sharing things they enjoyed with other people who enjoyed them.


Mine was :D

[KC Elbows]

Could someone steer me to the "Traditional MA vs. contemporary MA" thread? I can't seem to find it.:D

[Rolling Elbow]

Slow down Braden, i was not criticizing. I was merely making an observation ... i did enjoy the clips though. Lets keep posting the ones we find.

[Braden]

It's all good homes. Sorry if I sounded like I was biting your head off.

[fa_jing]

I'd like to make some clips of our sparring available to you guys, but I'll never figure out how.

Sorry.

-FJ

[gazza99]

cool...

[Rolling Elbow]

Notice the clips of the old guy doing monkey gung fu...now if that isn't a "little" physically tasking, i don't know what is! Just when you think you train hard and your art is demanding physically, imagine the knee strength and leg stamina that must be develloped to train in monkey'.