When Jai Yao(Essentials) entered 7 Star PM

[Tainan Mantis]

7* PM probably starts with Li Zhizhan aka Li Sanjian or his disciple Wang Yunsheng aka Wang Rongsheng(1854-1926).

Li Zhizhan was born in 1821. It is recorded that his PM is from Sheng Xiao Daoren, but Sheng Xiao's earliest book is dated 1762.
If Sheng Xiao wrote that book when he was 20 then he would've been 79 the day Li Zhizhan was born.
Therefore we can assume that Li Zhizhan didn't learn from Sheng Xiao.

Furthermore, no forms written in any of Sheng Xiao's books exist in modern PM with the possible exception of 18 Lohan.

The official Chinese website of PRC 7* master Zhong Lianbao says that Li Zhizhan fought and defeated the above mentioned Wang Yunsheng in 1888.
In 1889 Wang Yunsheng began a three period of study with Li Zhizhan.

7* PM may have been started by Li Zhizhan or Wang Yunsheng.
Supposedly Li Zhizhan only knew 2 PM forms; Beng Bu and Luan Jie.
A large portion of the 7* curriculum was added by Wang Yunsheng.

No mention is made anywhere that either knew the Jai Yao forms.
They most likely entered the 7* system after Wang Yunsheng sometime in the early 1900's or possibly after WW1.

On the other hand the earliest known Jao Yao texts date to the mid 1870's and were written by Song Zide. These prove that these forms were taught by Song's teacher Liang Hsuehsiang.
These are now in the possesion of Ilya Profatilov.

Of course it is possible that another text can write a different historical story, so I post this in the hopes that new information can be added for discussion.

[mantis108]

The following file was sent to me by Tainan Mantis. We feel that this might help the Dzai Yao origin issue. So I post this on his behalf. The same info is found on the Brenden Trunk site.

<<<Zhaiyao continued...

This is from Brendan Tunks website. The last paragraph says it all.


"In the oral and written tradition Wang Lang is accredited as the founding father and the Daoist monks of Laoshan, Shandong as his initial inheritors. Traditionally the monk responsible for transmitting the developed system to the first lay disciple is known as Sheng Xiao Daoren.
Sheng Xiao Daoren may quite possibly have existed and indeed passed on Tanglang Quan. Unfortunately this is not historically verifiable. He is more than likely, a folk figure representing the generation that fills the gap between Wang Lang (the legendary founder), and genuine historical figures such as Li Zhizhan (in 1800s))(ofÊQixing Tanglang fame),Ê and Li Bingxiao (in 1700s)(of Meihua Tanglang fame), who we can accurately label as propagators of Tanglang.


Li Zhizhan, also known as Li Sanjian, and Li Kuaishou , was born in 1821 in Pingdu, Li family village Shandong. Li Zhizhan was a caravan (travelling goods), escort and personal bodyguard who was famed throughout China, travelling and fighting as far afield as Fujian Province and Beijing. After a lengthy combat career Li took only three major disciples (Da tudimen), his nephew Li Taibao, Hao Shunchang, and most famous of all Wang Yongchun, born: 13/5/1854 -died: 1926 (also known as Wang Rongsheng, Wang Yunsheng). Li Zhizhan eventually travelled to Fushan, Shandong, Wang's hometown. Wang Yonchun was a free fighting champion who had studied Shaolin Chang Quan under Li Yichun (from the age of eight) and opened his own Wuguan (martial academy), at the age of twenty-three. Li Zhizhan easily defeated Wang in a challenge match and Wang kowtowed to him begging to become his disciple. Li resided with Wang and trained him full-time, passing on the sum total of his knowledge over three years. Li Zhizhan continued his work and ended his illustrious career in Tianjin, Hebei Province.


The majority of the existing curriculum of Qixing Tanglang Quan was developed by Wang Yongchun. Boxing sets such as Cha Chui Quan, Xiao Huyan Quan, Hei Hu Jiao Cha Quan (Hei Hu Quan), Shuang Chui Hua and Si Lu Benda arise from this period and are largely absent from the Quan pu (boxing scrolls), of the other Tanglang sects such as Meihua/Taijimeihua Tanglang. ">>>

Mantis108

PS Tainan, sorry about the belated post. It took me a bit of time to figure how to open your data file.