Tainan Mantis
07-18-2002, 07:20 AM
7* PM probably starts with Li Zhizhan aka Li Sanjian or his disciple Wang Yunsheng aka Wang Rongsheng(1854-1926).
Li Zhizhan was born in 1821. It is recorded that his PM is from Sheng Xiao Daoren, but Sheng Xiao's earliest book is dated 1762.
If Sheng Xiao wrote that book when he was 20 then he would've been 79 the day Li Zhizhan was born.
Therefore we can assume that Li Zhizhan didn't learn from Sheng Xiao.
Furthermore, no forms written in any of Sheng Xiao's books exist in modern PM with the possible exception of 18 Lohan.
The official Chinese website of PRC 7* master Zhong Lianbao says that Li Zhizhan fought and defeated the above mentioned Wang Yunsheng in 1888.
In 1889 Wang Yunsheng began a three period of study with Li Zhizhan.
7* PM may have been started by Li Zhizhan or Wang Yunsheng.
Supposedly Li Zhizhan only knew 2 PM forms; Beng Bu and Luan Jie.
A large portion of the 7* curriculum was added by Wang Yunsheng.
No mention is made anywhere that either knew the Jai Yao forms.
They most likely entered the 7* system after Wang Yunsheng sometime in the early 1900's or possibly after WW1.
On the other hand the earliest known Jao Yao texts date to the mid 1870's and were written by Song Zide. These prove that these forms were taught by Song's teacher Liang Hsuehsiang.
These are now in the possesion of Ilya Profatilov.
Of course it is possible that another text can write a different historical story, so I post this in the hopes that new information can be added for discussion.
Li Zhizhan was born in 1821. It is recorded that his PM is from Sheng Xiao Daoren, but Sheng Xiao's earliest book is dated 1762.
If Sheng Xiao wrote that book when he was 20 then he would've been 79 the day Li Zhizhan was born.
Therefore we can assume that Li Zhizhan didn't learn from Sheng Xiao.
Furthermore, no forms written in any of Sheng Xiao's books exist in modern PM with the possible exception of 18 Lohan.
The official Chinese website of PRC 7* master Zhong Lianbao says that Li Zhizhan fought and defeated the above mentioned Wang Yunsheng in 1888.
In 1889 Wang Yunsheng began a three period of study with Li Zhizhan.
7* PM may have been started by Li Zhizhan or Wang Yunsheng.
Supposedly Li Zhizhan only knew 2 PM forms; Beng Bu and Luan Jie.
A large portion of the 7* curriculum was added by Wang Yunsheng.
No mention is made anywhere that either knew the Jai Yao forms.
They most likely entered the 7* system after Wang Yunsheng sometime in the early 1900's or possibly after WW1.
On the other hand the earliest known Jao Yao texts date to the mid 1870's and were written by Song Zide. These prove that these forms were taught by Song's teacher Liang Hsuehsiang.
These are now in the possesion of Ilya Profatilov.
Of course it is possible that another text can write a different historical story, so I post this in the hopes that new information can be added for discussion.