Which Martial Art Teaches This?

[ChinNa]

I am seeking to start trainng, I want to know which style of Martial Teaches teaches this...

All types of things, Anything you can think of, some are:

Striking, Kicking, Grappling, Punching, Pressure-points, Joint-locks(locking), throws, pins, health beneficials, healing, internal side too, just about anything...

I am 16yrs old, 6'2 1/2ft.tall and Skinny.

Thanks in Advance.

[SevenStar]

at advanced levels, most kung fu styles teach those.

[BrentCarey]

Sounds like kung fu to me. I know that sounds like a glib response, but all martial disciplines are included in kung fu. Some styles are very specific and contain only a few elements, most others emphasize certain elements and deemphasize others.

Most larger Chinese styles get around to each of the elements you mentioned sooner or later. However, most likely you will have to find multiple instructors to get thorough training in all of those disciplines. Even though some styles address all of those disciplines, most instructors do not.

Best regards,

Brent Carey

[ChinNa]

Thanks both of you.

Brent:

Which style of Kung-Fu would be those?

[sticky fingers]

...but beware of the schools that advertise that they teach everything, where the head instructor can do superhuman feats, chi blasts, secret societies, anyone else care to add?

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by sticky fingers
...but beware of the schools that advertise that they teach everything, where the head instructor can do superhuman feats, chi blasts, secret societies, anyone else care to add?

That has to be the commercial schools!:eek:

[Former castleva]

As a small person,i won´t go into details of which style does what but instead some possibly filling thoughts.

Many styles or systems emphasize one (big,though) area,we often talk about "striking" arts and "grappling" arts.
Karate or Taekwondo,I think,are great examples of "striking" arts,but grappling is included,may it be small or big (of course,this does not concern sport variations)
Which have possibly chosen their own way of doing certain things,but fill a bit with some other things.It could be said that grappling in striking arts enchance their striking skills,and may go vice versa with grappling arts.Aikido,as another opposite example,uses lots of grappling but basically striking is included (or at least should be,which may not be the case in many modern schools) to break trough with grappling.

Naturally,this may "cut" people/practitioners in different classes.
Some think you should be familiar with every single area to be "effective",while others keep polishing some certain areas like striking or grappling,and become very good with that.
Naturally,becoming very good with even some areas like striking/kicking may take a lifetime,which I believe,is a worthy reason for a person to study it,mostly.

This is also linked to ying/yang.
There are kung-fu styles (or those other styles mentioned previously) which emphasize lots of striking/kicking but I don´t think there are kung-fu styles which don´t do any chin-na (grappling).

Besides martial,also healing should be included at higher levels,as previously noticed.

This is it for now.
Classic lines:I hope this helps.
Peace.
:)

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Former castleva
As a small person,i won´t go into details of which style does what but instead some possibly filling thoughts.

Many styles or systems emphasize one (big,though) area,we often talk about "striking" arts and "grappling" arts.
Karate or Taekwondo,I think,are great examples of "striking" arts,but grappling is included,may it be small or big (of course,this does not concern sport variations)
Which have possibly chosen their own way of doing certain things,but fill a bit with some other things.It could be said that grappling in striking arts enchance their striking skills,and may go vice versa with grappling arts.Aikido,as another opposite example,uses lots of grappling but basically striking is included (or at least should be,which may not be the case in many modern schools) to break trough with grappling.

Naturally,this may "cut" people/practitioners in different classes.
Some think you should be familiar with every single area to be "effective",while others keep polishing some certain areas like striking or grappling,and become very good with that.
Naturally,becoming very good with even some areas like striking/kicking may take a lifetime,which I believe,is a worthy reason for a person to study it,mostly.

This is also linked to ying/yang.
There are kung-fu styles (or those other styles mentioned previously) which emphasize lots of striking/kicking but I don´t think there are kung-fu styles which don´t do any chin-na (grappling).

Besides martial,also healing should be included at higher levels,as previously noticed.

This is it for now.
Classic lines:I hope this helps.
Peace.
:)

I am opposite from Small, Opposite from Fat, Opposite from Big Muscles guys.

[{i^(]

right! you're a beanpole ;-) same here, but shorter.

traditional/typical advice is to do a crane style, something that uses your height to advantage. don't know if you've got that where you are. crane uses particular footwork to avoid tangling with the gorrilla-types, and slices down people when it closes.

i do wing chun, a kind of crane, but close-in

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by {i^(
right! you're a beanpole ;-) same here, but shorter.

traditional/typical advice is to do a crane style, something that uses your height to advantage. don't know if you've got that where you are. crane uses particular footwork to avoid tangling with the gorrilla-types, and slices down people when it closes.

i do wing chun, a kind of crane, but close-in

Yea, there is Shaolin LongFist, White Crane KungFu, WhiteCrane Silat.

[Former castleva]

"I am opposite from Small, Opposite from Fat, Opposite from Big Muscles guys."

I would not be that concerned about that size issue.
"The bigger they are the harder they fall,big,strong ones always beat weak ones,smaller ones are harder to shoot at battlefield..." These are some lines that you may hear in daily life.
A tall person might have a long reach,and if he/she´s even fit (thin) then shall he be able to have a long reach and quick approach.He may be taken down slightly easier as it may be hard for him to find his center/root.

At the end of the day,it´s not the external appearance,it´s the internal one.Good technique will never hurt,as a plus;)

If you go and take a look at a flier/poster of your local MA club or some basic information of an art or two...
You may find these lines:"suitable for bla,bla,bla,any age,sex,size and condition".

Some strange way this "wishlist" of yours makes me think about hapkido.
Sure it ain´t the only art with those qualities,it just pops up.

Take care.
:)

[Stacey]

www.8step.com

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Former castleva
"I am opposite from Small, Opposite from Fat, Opposite from Big Muscles guys."

I would not be that concerned about that size issue.
"The bigger they are the harder they fall,big,strong ones always beat weak ones,smaller ones are harder to shoot at battlefield..." These are some lines that you may hear in daily life.
A tall person might have a long reach,and if he/she´s even fit (thin) then shall he be able to have a long reach and quick approach.He may be taken down slightly easier as it may be hard for him to find his center/root.

At the end of the day,it´s not the external appearance,it´s the internal one.Good technique will never hurt,as a plus;)

If you go and take a look at a flier/poster of your local MA club or some basic information of an art or two...
You may find these lines:"suitable for bla,bla,bla,any age,sex,size and condition".

Some strange way this "wishlist" of yours makes me think about hapkido.
Sure it ain´t the only art with those qualities,it just pops up.

Take care.
:)

Thanks for your opinion

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Stacey
www.8step.com

Not in my area.

[Leonidas]

Exactly what style of Kung Fu are your looking for. Living in NYC you pretty much have the choice to study anything you want, whether or not its Kung Fu. If you want Praying Mantis i know a half a dozen schools. I can point you to some internal stylings if you want or are you into Shaolin? Maybe Southern Kung Fu? Maybe not Kung Fu at all? Narrow your choice down, your criteria is pretty general and most styles will teach all of that to a certain extent even if its the smallest part of the cirriculum. This will make suggesting a style for you pretty hard. Did you surf the web for anything?

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Leonidas
Exactly what style of Kung Fu are your looking for. Living in NYC you pretty much have the choice to study anything you want, whether or not its Kung Fu. If you want Praying Mantis i know a half a dozen schools. I can point you to some internal stylings if you want or are you into Shaolin? Maybe Southern Kung Fu? Maybe not Kung Fu at all? Narrow your choice down, your criteria is pretty general and most styles will teach all of that to a certain extent even if its the smallest part of the cirriculum. This will make suggesting a style for you pretty hard. Did you surf the web for anything?

I don't know what style of Kung-Fu or other style non-kung-fu i want.
because I am a newbie, that's why I am asking to know which one suits what I'm looking for.

[Abstract]

if you're near Queens, go here:

wingchunnyc.com

;) (u won't be disappointed)

[Leonidas]

Might i suggest Lama Pai to you then. If i was gonna study any style of Kung Fu it would be that (or maybe Shuai Chiao). Xingyiquan, Baguazhang and Tai Ji Quan definfitely have all that your looking for and then some. But you have to have extreme patience and dedication to eventually learn how to use it in a fight. Its a longer waiting period than with external styles but its worth the trouble.

[ChinNa]

Did you know that

New York, NY is for Manhattan, NY ?

Manhattan in NYC ;)

Queens, ooh thuggish place, my cousins live there, been there a lot.
I was going to train in Bujinkan Budo Taijutsu in brooklyn for free, but it's too far... At Least 2hours or more to get there, 3hours of training which is excellent can't ask more than that, and at least 2 or more hours to come back home, the good thing is it was on Sunday, the bad thing is my mom rejected. She said no, parents always know what's best for their kids, I do what she tells me :(

by the way...
Wing Chun is a southern style. it doesn't teaches much kicks, because it was created by a women, so she had more hand techniques needed than kicks.

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Leonidas
Might i suggest Lama Pai to you then. If i was gonna study any style of Kung Fu it would be that (or maybe Shuai Chiao). Xingyiquan, Baguazhang and Tai Ji Quan definfitely have all that your looking for and then some. But you have to have extreme patience and dedication to eventually learn how to use it in a fight. Its a longer waiting period than with external styles but its worth the trouble.

Thanks...

Ya. Internal styles needs more time & dedication than the EXTERNAL styles. or let's see
Kung-Fu for external, Neijia KF for Internal right.

I live in NYC, do you think a 16yr old can be safe studying a martial arts that takes a lot of time to be taught combat or let's say self-defense?
I am not sure, so I wouldn't comment.

[Leonidas]

If your that worried about getting your ass kicked maybe you should find a nice style of kickboxing, San Shou or Muay Thai perhaps. Dont expect to learn how to fight with a style that teaches forms (like Kung Fu) for atleast 6 months to 2 years. Dont choose a style based on the fact that you might get in a fight tomorrow. You might get hit by a car tomorrow or you could die in your sleep tonight. Choose something that you'll enjoy doing. Learning how to fight is important but you shouldn't rush it because of paranoia.

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Leonidas
If your that worried about getting your ass kicked maybe you should find a nice style of kickboxing, San Shou or Muay Thai perhaps. Dont expect to learn how to fight with a style that teaches forms (like Kung Fu) for atleast 6 months to 2 years. Dont choose a style based on the fact that you might get in a fight tomorrow. You might get hit by a car tomorrow or you could die in your sleep tonight. Choose something that you'll enjoy doing. Learning how to fight is important but you shouldn't rush it because of paranoia.

Kickboxing, San Shou, Muay THai doesn't interested me :o

I don't look for fights, infact I haven't had a fight since I was in the 9th grade, I am going to the 11th grade now, my last fight was with a trouble maker 6'1ft.tall, I was 5'10, thanks god I haven't gotten hit in a fight, this time I caught him while he was looking the other way, hit him in his jaws, he got dissy, and started running. I want to be prepare for the unexpected.

Let's make this... people who go into the martial arts is because they want to learn self-defense, combat, or how to fight. most that go into taichi are for the healt benefits, some are for other benefits too.

I at first was into Martial Arts because of the fighting, without fighting is not a martial art, there is nothing bad with that. You are not learning Martial Arts to go and attack inoccent people.

Martial Arts is invented so people can learn how to protect theirself and loveones. I would protect myself, family when I can, and people out in the streets who are inocent.

Ya. Karate teaches kata's too, but they use that move from the kata to block or hit, they do examples of what you can use that move for. I don't like Karate though. I had taken Karate Shotokan when i was 11yrs old for 3months (yellow belt).

[Leonidas]

I think you should read up on this since your a newbie and you have no idea what your looking for?

Go here: www.dmoz.com/Sports/Martial_Arts

Its a huge directory. Get alittle more info and get back to me. I'll help you find a school for sure.

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Leonidas
I think you should read up on this since your a newbie and you have no idea what your looking for?

Go here: www.dmoz.com/Sports/Martial_Arts

Its a huge directory. Get alittle more info and get back to me. I'll help you find a school for sure.

Thanks...

How do i know what to look for?

[Leonidas]

Oh right, you need general sites. I got sh!t else to do, hold on, i'll post some. Gimme an hour.

[{i^(]

did you look at the thread on 'long fist sparring'? its in the general forum. in there, brent (an instructor) is talking about it:

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"The techniques you are learning in your forms ARE directly applicable to combat WITHOUT modification, provided:

a) you are learning good Long Fist kung fu,
b) your teacher is accurately conveying techniques,
c) you are doing them correctly.

However, here's the catch (actually there are two catches). Before you can use them in combat, either your instructor needs to show you the combat applications, or you need to figure them out on your own - both are valid. Then, comes catch #2.

You must train your forms with the application(s) in mind. It takes a long time to train your body, eye, and mind to be able to use these techniques in combat as per form."

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thats good advice for any style: good lineage, good/informed instructor, doing it right over time. he makes the point that KF for tourneys isn't really good, but for self-defense and war, its the best. not a bad observation.

i think you'll have to visit schools, see whats comfortable and right for you. the VERY best advice is this: sh*t or get off the pot. don't dream it, be it. choose and GO. you won't be unhappy with it.

no offense intended, BTW. just saying, don't worry so much- you'll get the hang of it.

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Leonidas
Oh right, you need general sites. I got sh!t else to do, hold on, i'll post some. Gimme an hour.

Thanks. ;)

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by {i^(
did you look at the thread on 'long fist sparring'? its in the general forum. in there, brent (an instructor) is talking about it:

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"The techniques you are learning in your forms ARE directly applicable to combat WITHOUT modification, provided:

a) you are learning good Long Fist kung fu,
b) your teacher is accurately conveying techniques,
c) you are doing them correctly.

However, here's the catch (actually there are two catches). Before you can use them in combat, either your instructor needs to show you the combat applications, or you need to figure them out on your own - both are valid. Then, comes catch #2.

You must train your forms with the application(s) in mind. It takes a long time to train your body, eye, and mind to be able to use these techniques in combat as per form."

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thats good advice for any style: good lineage, good/informed instructor, doing it right over time. he makes the point that KF for tourneys isn't really good, but for self-defense and war, its the best. not a bad observation.

i think you'll have to visit schools, see whats comfortable and right for you. the VERY best advice is this: sh*t or get off the pot. don't dream it, be it. choose and GO. you won't be unhappy with it.

no offense intended, BTW. just saying, don't worry so much- you'll get the hang of it.

Thanks, for the welcome :)

So you say Tournaments are no problem?
But there are rules in Tourneys, no Rules in a real situation or fight?
no matter who you are, old, young, black, white, no rules in a fight.:eek:

[{i^(]

BRENT was saying that tournaments CAN be a problem. other arts seem better geared for that, if thats what your flavor is. (and hey, trophies, belts, and grrls- that ain't bad).

but if your after some mean kinda stuff, a lot of kung fu's got it. his warning was that you need to find a good/qualified/informed/generous instructor. sometimes you've just got to be patient though. and remember- he also said that figuring it out for yourself is jake too.

having done this for awhile (but no expert, thanx!), i kind of see his point.

and yes! welcome to KF. a great world.

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by {i^(
BRENT was saying that tournaments CAN be a problem. other arts seem better geared for that, if thats what your flavor is. (and hey, trophies, belts, and grrls- that ain't bad).

but if your after some mean kinda stuff, a lot of kung fu's got it. his warning was that you need to find a good/qualified/informed/generous instructor. sometimes you've just got to be patient though. and remember- he also said that figuring it out for yourself is jake too.

having done this for awhile (but no expert, thanx!), i kind of see his point.

and yes! welcome to KF. a great world.

Thanks...
So yea i was just curious, hearing a person say Kung-Fu would be good to go to tournaments.
If he said no, I agree to because, tourneys are rules,

[Leonidas]

www.fightauthority.com

http://webhome.idirect.com/~alr/tkd/index1.html

http://www.martialarm.com/martial-list.html

http://martialtalk.com/ (this is a general martial arts forum)

http://www.martial-way.com/

http://www.martialway.com/arts/index.html (is a different site)

http://www.worldblackbelt.com/Martial_Arts_Styles/Martial_Arts_Styles.asp?SID=M0KR44M40CV419G

http://www.carbonecho.com/

http://martialarts.about.com/library/weekly/aa092799.htm (this is a newbie guide)

http://martialarts.about.com/library/weekly/aa121299a.htm (this one too)

http://martialarts.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cis.ohio-state.edu%2Fhypertext%2Ffaq%2Fusenet%2Fmartial-arts%2Fnewbie-guide%2Ffaq.html (this one too)

http://martialarts.about.com/cs/artsaf/ (this is a **** good site, i started you off at a-f)

http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/styles/index.htm

Thats all i can get now. I know, i know. Most of the sites are really crappy but you have to find some useful info in there somewhere.

[ChinNa]

Originally posted by Leonidas
www.fightauthority.com

http://webhome.idirect.com/~alr/tkd/index1.html

http://www.martialarm.com/martial-list.html

http://martialtalk.com/ (this is a general martial arts forum)

http://www.martial-way.com/

http://www.martialway.com/arts/index.html (is a different site)

http://www.worldblackbelt.com/Martial_Arts_Styles/Martial_Arts_Styles.asp?SID=M0KR44M40CV419G

http://www.carbonecho.com/

http://martialarts.about.com/library/weekly/aa092799.htm (this is a newbie guide)

http://martialarts.about.com/library/weekly/aa121299a.htm (this one too)

http://martialarts.about.com/gi/dynamic/offsite.htm?site=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.cis.ohio-state.edu%2Fhypertext%2Ffaq%2Fusenet%2Fmartial-arts%2Fnewbie-guide%2Ffaq.html (this one too)

http://martialarts.about.com/cs/artsaf/ (this is a **** good site, i started you off at a-f)

http://www.atlantamartialarts.com/styles/index.htm

Thats all i can get now. I know, i know. Most of the sites are really crappy but you have to find some useful info in there somewhere.

Thanks :D

[BrentCarey]

Originally posted by ChinNa
Brent: Which style of Kung-Fu would be those?
<chuckling>

You know, I'm the wrong person to ask. I have a pretty eclectic background, and when I see a technique or principle, I usually don't ask which style it came from.

Most people will disagree with me, but I consider Long Fist to be pretty complete. This is easy to say because Long Fist (like most Chinese styles) is pretty loosely defined. Point to just about any technique, and I can say "Yeah, Long Fist has that." Well, most Long Fist practitioners focus on long range punches and kicks.

However, just about every practitioner I have met (that has been around for a while) augments his/her art with Chin Na, and a certain amount of ground work. Chi Kung (another loosely define entity) is pretty much standard with most Chinese styles to some degree.

My advice to anyone that doesn't know specifically what they are looking for would do well to take up Long Fist. Long Fist is not for everyone, but at least it should give you a broad exposure and a solid foundation. I especially recommend it to tall people.

By the way, if you want to learn something quickly avoid the broader styles.

And yes, with regards to tournaments, decide if you want to compete or learn real self-defense. These goals are NOT mutually exclusive, but the are also NOT the same. This is important when looking for a teacher. Some teachers can teach you to compete, but don't really know the first thing about real self-defense. Other instructors (like me) can teach you how to end an attack with utter resolve, but couldn't teach you anything about competition. Most teachers will tell you they can do both, but most can't. This doesn't make them liars, just a little misinformed about one discipline or the other.


Best regards,

-Brent

[ChinNa]

True.

I don't want to train competition or sport art.
I don't have time to train in another sport, I have my sport and that is Basketball all the way nothing more, nothing less.

I want to train in a martial arts that is not a sport.
because martial arts that go to tourneys i think isn't really teaching kung-fu.