Self Defense?Community?Any Thoughts?

[yuanfen]

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Report: Millions Behind Bars in U.S.
(AP) - One in every 32 adults in the United States was behind bars or on probation or parole by the end of last year, according to a government report Sunday that found a record 6.6 million people in the nation's correctional system. The number of adults under supervision by the criminal justice system rose by 147,700, or 2.3 percent, between 2000 and 2001, the Justice Department reported. In 1990, almost 4.4 million adults were incarcerated or being supervised.
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Building a civil community IMO is the best(but not the only)
form of self sefense.
In the land of the free- the above provides a worrisome picture.
Sobering! Any thoughts?

[fa_jing]

Yeah - if nothing else, learn some self-defense because those statistics show that you may find yourself behind bars one day.

[yuanfen]

You could live ina "gated community"-the ones that have billboards-"If you lived here- you would already be home"(VBG)
VBF too-very high fencing.

[BeiKongHui]

Building a civil community IMO is the best(but not the only)

Excellent point! It's all the more worrisome that the Prison industry has become such a big business and that corporations are utilizing prison labor to sell cheap products. Did you guys know a lot of telemarketers are in jail when they call you?

[John Weiland]

Originally posted by BeiKongHui

Did you guys know a lot of telemarketers are in jail when they call you?
Telemarketers aside (they deserve what they get), to cite the great social commentator Richard Pryor after his first tourist visit to one of the criminal institutes of higher learning in which he talked to the inmates: "Thank God we have prisons."

Don't need prisons if you're a revolutionary society such as Sudan, Viet Nam, Cuber (as JKF would say), Cambodia under the Khmer Rouge, basically any socialist economy---you just execute all your enemies. The PRC, being sensitive to the world's recognition of its #1 position on capital punishment, incarcerates it's "dissidents" such as Falun Gong folks in mental institutions. This doesn't count in most of the "locked up" lists. Certainly not if the U.N. is doing the tally.

Regards,

[yenhoi]

Helpfull statistic:

since 1990 the US prison population has DOUBLED.

Another helpfull statistic:

just over half of the US prison population are there for "victim-less crimes" - such as prostitution, drug use, throwing your baby in a dumpster, etc.

[TjD]

i dont think throwing a baby in a dumpster is a victim-less crime... :)

[fa_jing]

Coincidentally, the demand for telemarketers in the U.S. has ALSO doubled since 1990 - kind of makes you wonder, dudn't it?

(Above statistic provided by www.talkingoutofmyass.gov)

[John Weiland]

Originally posted by yenhoi

just over half of the US prison population are there for "victim-less crimes" - such as prostitution, drug use, throwing your baby in a dumpster, etc.
You forgot to list the other "victimless" crimes of murder, robbery, and assault. That should pad the statistics out. (Just trying to help.) :)

[BeiKongHui]

So you equate drug use and prostitutes with murder, robbery, and assault? Well, that's certainly a "balanced" mind at work! ;)

[yenhoi]

murder isent victimless!

:eek:

[John Weiland]

Originally posted by BeiKongHui
So you equate drug use and prostitutes with murder, robbery, and assault? Well, that's certainly a "balanced" mind at work! ;)
Yep. Each is just as victimless.

[OdderMensch]

all crimes have victims. However the debate is about "consenueal crimes" or "crimes" commited by one or more consenting adults, upon themselves, or other consenting adults.

Example : prositution

man A has money (earned and taxed legaly) and wants to have sex.
woman B needs money (for rent/food/whatever) and is willing to have sex to get it.

a phone call latter and the age old "trade of capital for goods and services" takes place. B now can pay rent, A has fullfilled his need(real or precived).

now, beyond any moral problem you may have with sex out of wedlock, what here has NEGATVLY IMPACTED on your life, liberty, or property? Why do you think A and or B should be locked away?

what took place that is so horid, so wretched that we must as a society chip in the estimated 23-50K per year to remove these two from "decent people"?

yes there are victoms in drug use, prositution and other so called "victomless crimes" and it is the taxpayers that must pony up the cash to store them away!

[OdderMensch]

throwing a a baby in a dumpster is hardly consensual or victimless, and I would gladly pitch in to lock someone like that awy for a time, and pay for foster car of the child.

also to all WC'ers out there, I am sorry, this post and this thread are a bit of topic here, maybe in the main forum?

[yuanfen]

The thread imdeed has run its course.
Now back to important topics- like-
whther xyz wing chun is the best that there is...