Animals And The Martial Arts

[Helicopter]

What would be the best MA to fight animals?

Bears: Can you kick them in the bollocks?

Elephants: Can you put Chin Na on a trunk?

Gorillas: Could a good MMA choke one out?

[Former castleva]

All impossible so far.
I think I´ve heard a story about some MA master (maybe some founder) who was put to a cage of two tigers and he killed them...yeah,right.
Bears:if it is a half-bear like a raccoon,but who´d like to harm such a magnificient creature anyway.Scary experiences show that even such a bear like brown bear may not stay at bay even if shot with an average firearm.
Good thing bears are rather shy,accidents are a few and far between.It is said that polar bears are more agressive (and boy,are they impressive?) they are also the biggest race of bears.Some might deny about their level of offense though.
Elephants:I sure can´t.
Gorilla:I´m a bit worried.

[Rorny Gracie]

You wanna see for your own eyes what art is better against a bear go here....http://www.funvids.net/videos/Play.asp?Video_ID=134
Let it download and watch. Enjoy!





Hyuk Hyuk!
:p

[anton]

The traditional Russian methof of hunting bears did not involve guns. The equipment required was a long, sharp knife and a sturdy Y-shaped stick. If you use the stick to not allow the bear to get close enough to you to scratch you (while remaining on all fours) it will stand on its hind legs and attempt to "fall" on you - at this stage you quickly put the stick against its throat - wedging its head between the two top bits of the Y - you rest the other end on the ground. For a few seconds, instead of crashing down on top of you, the bear stays leaning on the stick. At this point you jump under the bear, stick the knife in nice and deep and open it up from nape to nave, and quickly jump back out.
At this point the bear will usually lose interest in you - apparently they occasionally sit back and attempt to pgather the entrails that have fallen out of them with their front paws.

[Sho]

Oyama fought with bulls. :D

[Liokault]

If i remember rightly the guy who killed the tigers was the founder of goju kai.

The story gose that he was a war prisoner and was locked in the cage with tigers to die....but he killed them.

In an interview with him i read he said that the tigers were not really well looked after and were only fed on bean curd for months and had teeth falling out ect......so not that much of a fight then!!!!!!

[MonkeyBoy]

Originally posted by Sho
Oyama fought with bulls. :D

I have an Oyama book with that.

In it he kills one by striking it's head, taking off one horn in a clean blow. Bulls drive their horns up to gore and thus Oyama was dealing with a mostly predictable situation. It's series of picts and not tape or film. You can't be sure it's all cut and dry.

Personally, I don't know many who would stand there and let the bull charge

As far as the bear trick, American natives would carry long spears while waving torches or branches at bears to raise them on their hind legs. Bears "bear down" to fight and thus impale themselves.

Who wants to be the lucky Indian underneath a quarter ton of dying bear?

On the Serengeti children taunt male Lions with sticks and kill them with small spears. The males attack head on. They have less hunting/fighting experience than the females, are predictable and regularly dispatched.

How many of us as children in the East or West would let a Lion charge us and impale itself on a spear we held?

[Sho]

I have two short video clips of Oyama fighting a bull and striking its horn (can't see so clearly though).

http://www.bboyzz.com/~sho/files/OyamaBull1.avi
http://www.bboyzz.com/~sho/files/OyamaBull2.avi

[Flattop Monk]

How about an animal we are much more likely to run across, a huge, p*ssed off rotweiller. Does anyone have any thoughts about fighting one of them bare handed if you have to? Do you try to knock him out as he charges, try to choke him out and hope you don't get your arm chewed off?

What would the crocodile hunter do in that worst case scenario?

[Former castleva]

I have seen a clip where Oyama fights a bull,it is a bit immature of him to kill a bear for show though.He was a real power striker.
Liokault,oh well that explains it then,thanks.
I´ve heard about that bear falling on stick thing,if you fancy Anthony Hopkins you may have seen his flick where they end up in the wild trough a plane crash (that´s a fairly good movie,I think it was called "On the edge" or something classic like that)
I´ve also heard of hunters/related going for the sleeping bears nest and stabbing it to death while it´s still drowsy (unfair).It could be that they use that technique here in Finland,or have used it.Shooting bears seems to be a frigging trend anyway,in here.

:eek: :confused:

[NorthernMantis]

Originally posted by Flattop Monk
How about an animal we are much more likely to run across, a huge, p*ssed off rotweiller. Does anyone have any thoughts about fighting one of them bare handed if you have to? Do you try to knock him out as he charges, try to choke him out and hope you don't get your arm chewed off?

What would the crocodile hunter do in that worst case scenario?

Why would you want your unprotected hands near his head unless he jumped at you? How about kicking the dog in the mouth? With your shoes it should make the hits harder and unless it can bite through them you'll vae lesschance of injury.

Here's a little trick I leanred when dealing with dogs that are bitting your hands or wrist. Take your hand and sove it doen the dogs throat. Trust me I've tried this many ties and it works perfectly. The dog will forget about biting you and gag on it. When the dog backs off stay on it and keep shoving it dow his throat after a couple of seconds take your hand out. It will think twice about trying to bite you.

[Qi dup]

Originally posted by Former castleva
It is said that polar bears are more agressive (and boy,are they impressive?) they are also the biggest race of bears.

I might be wrong here, But I think the Kodiak Brown bears Are usually bigger as far as height. I believe polar bears are bigger in weight because the amount they put on in the winter. This is just to my knowledge however.

I'm going to let JWTaylor answer the rotweiller question.

[PLCrane]

My sifu used to make us train with his dog. Dog was part Saint Bernard, and we had to play tug of war while standing on one leg. Trying to get in the door without letting the dog in was another good training exercise.

Cool vids of Oyama taking down the bull! That second one looks like he's about to do a palm strike to the top of the head, but it got cut short, so we can't tell if the bull went down or if Mas got bounced.

[PLCrane]

Originally posted by Flattop Monk
How about an animal we are much more likely to run across, a huge, p*ssed off rotweiller. Does anyone have any thoughts about fighting one of them bare handed if you have to? Do you try to knock him out as he charges, try to choke him out and hope you don't get your arm chewed off?

What would the crocodile hunter do in that worst case scenario?


Dog: Punch straight down at the face. They will open their mouth to bite your fist; drive it straight down.
Source: My friend's father, who was a postal carrier.

Crocodile? Not sure, but an alligator can be appeased by rubbing its belly. You can hold their mouth closed very easily, but you can't open it. Then you gotta turn them over so they're lying on their back. Watch out for the tail.
Source: saw it done when I was a kid.

[Phrost]

I bet you could KO a Giraffe if you had a decent ladder.

[Former castleva]

I saw a document of a guy working to improve alligators/crocodiles life trough searching their bad nutrition etc.
This guy was a basical man with will to work with animals and he practically lifted the reptile into the boat,opened it´s jaws (I´m not all sure how it went) stuck a pipe into his mouth to investigate what he had eaten etc. threw him back to water.
He had some courage,he was handling them as if they were kittens.;)
That was off-topic slightly,I would not recommend anyone to try that out!
Flattop Monk,
I would like to redirect you to street/reality fighting forum of kung-fu magazine,there was a big discussion on this.You´ll find it.
That sticking your hand into a dog´s throat may work,but you have to be quick and accurate,they´ll give you a small change if you do it correctly.
But if instead of that,they´ll attack your forearm as an example...
Rottweiler may not even be the worst case scenario,even though is very hard one.
Their jaws may lock up (as in some races,possibly) and they are able to withstand a great amount of pain,that is how they were made.
But they are much more than guard dogs,they do have various "occupations" which don´t involve mauling.
Just if you were interested.

[Flattop Monk]

Thanks for the input guys. I appreciate it.

[Helicopter]

Thanks for the serious input guys. This thread was intended as a p!ss-take following on from the "Aliens and the Martial Arts?" thread. but anyway;

Dogs: I heard that if want a dog to let go of you once it's locked it's jaws, you should stick your finger up it's bum-hole. :eek:

Phrost (re:Giraffes): Forget the ladder. Just get 3 mates and sweep the b@stard. :)

Most animals won't like you sticking your fingers up their nose.