Deadly Fighting Stances!

[chokeyouout2]

DUDE WHERE'S MY KEYS....

AREN'T THEY OVER THERE...

http://www.kungfuusa.net/images/photo_page/111.jpg

NO DUDE, THEY ARE RIGHT HERE...

http://www.kungfuusa.net/images/photo_page/021.jpg

THROW THEM OVER HERE BRO...

http://www.kungfuusa.net/images/photo_page/025.jpg

OK MAN, HERE YOU GO.....

http://www.kungfuusa.net/images/photo_page/030.jpg

As far as qualifying as a whole or nothing, I’m not sure exactly what you mean. I can only base my opinions on my own experiences and observations. Lets just say I have experienced and observed a of kung fu guys who don’t spar full contact, don’t groundfight, don’t hit hard and get hit hard in return, don’t understand conditioning concepts, and spend a truckload of time practicing solo forms and stances. Based on these things, my conclusions stand as I have stated them, althou

[Buhma]

LOL... here's some...

http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/kotc9/kotc9_03/kotc9_03.jpg

Hey, I think they do this in Sweden....let me just get in position.


http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/kotc9/kotc9_03/kotc9_07.jpg
Is this what they call a 69?
Yeah it's mmmmmfmffffffffmmmmmmmm

http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/kotc9/kotc9_03/kotc9_05.jpg
Ok, hold on.... lucky I got the Kama Sutra here... I think my tongue goes here.... ok, now you stick your finger thereeeeeeeyawowwwww! YEAH! THAT'S THE SPOT!!!!!

http://www.sherdog.com/pictures/kotc9/kotc9_12/kotc9_06.jpg
Yo Bubba! I gotta say, you're one helluva good slow dancer.

Thanks! Mind if I lay my head on your shoulder?

[chokeyouout2]

I'm sorry your mind is flooded with ****sexual acts when you see two people in combat.It's cool to be gay, I guess.It's not fair to impose your agenda's on the straight population of this board.

When you'r telling one of your litle stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[Buhma]

First off, what's wrong with ****sexuals? Are you a BIGOT?

Second, I'm just having fun like you....but unlike you I don't have an agenda. I laughed at your photos too.

Go ahead and denigrate....oops I guess I have to explain that word... hmmm... "make fun" of Kung Fu, I do too. But I will also make fun of MMAs. What's the matter? I hurt your little feelings? PUNK!

[chokeyouout2]

Name calling is not prudent at this juncture.I was just rattlin off a few lines..BTW, are you really a "switch hitter"?Are you the effeminant or the butchy?

When you'r telling one of your litle stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[chokeyouout2]

Bro, I had to post this.Absolutely hilarious.

http://www.uglypeople.com/uglymen/ugly-images/up-men-00579.jpg

When you'r telling one of your litle stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[Buhma]

Stop making fun of me! I'm gonna go home now!

And no, I'm not gay. Can't you tell from my manly pic?

[Braden]

rofl rofl rofl

I take back everything bad I've ever thought about you. That was hilarious.

(the original post in this thread)

[Reima Kostaja]

Great thread.

[Ryu]

Planes, Trains, and Automobiles is a good movie.

Ryu

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"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[tnwingtsun]

If you condition yourself by doing 500 squats thats good.....right??
According to Shamrock thats good,now if these guys
are going to fight like that then you have a point.
I wouldn't fight my grandmaw from thoses stances.

But then again,you try holding that "Low Cat Stance" for ten minutes,don't cheat!!,back straight!!


Third ground fighting pic-guy on bottoms hand looks like it could rip of that guy on tops taters,but then again, happens,and happens quick.


Still laughing about the key thing :D

[chokeyouout2]

I'm glad you enjoyed the captions.

When you'r telling one of your litle stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[chokeyouout2]

We call it the air chair.Lean against a wall with your legs parralel to the ground for a couple minutes.It burns like ****fire sauce.

When you'r telling one of your little stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[wooha]

That first post was an absolute masterpiece. I'll be chuckling about that for the rest of the day.

Sheer Genius.

[Ralek]

Traditional Kung fu guys really do fight out of those sheotty stances. I recently KO'd a tai chi instructor who used a stance.

I am the Grand Ultimate Fist

[fiercest tiger]

i wasd laughing my guts out, do some more!

ralek ill fight you, sick man of marylands.. :eek: im coming next year, with my Pj's on, ive been trained in SHOGUN: TOTAL WAR on my computer, so i have a chance...lol hahahahahahahahahaha you guys hahahaha :D

come & visit us!
http://home.iprimus.com.au/ykm
yaukungmun@hotmail.com

[JWTAYLOR]

D@mn, that whole thing was funny. Do it again.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[krome]

that some funny Sheeet

If you can't win run, run like Hell.

[Kung Lek]

although that was a bit funny (the original post about the keys thing :D ), I think that you live in a very small world if you think any of those are fighting stances, they are not, they are training stances that are used to develop strength, root and focus. I'd like to see you perform those stances and hold them. Do you understand all the different muscles that are being developed? do you understand the process that is occuring to the tendons and sinews by training with low stances? No? I thought not.

Horse stance against a wall??? what are ya weak?

support your own weight and gain root, no wall. using the wall for support renders the training virtually useless ergo...

Trolls...yeesh.

peace

Kung Lek

Martial Arts Links (http://members.home.net/kunglek)

[shaolinboxer]

Ralek once again making me glad he's not banned! LOL! Perfect timing, as always.

"She ain't got no muscles in her teeth."
- Cat

[Water Dragon]

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You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom

[NorthernMantis]

Well I beat a boxer(amateur),I sparred my friend who does traditional muay thai,not that sissy kickboxing stuff who with gloves,and he said I was too fast for him.I have been tried to be wrestled down and I held my self with those goofy stances.

Rolls is full of it and so is that other guy.Obviously you two have ego issues that need something to prove and have nothing better to do than just go looking for trouble.Poor Rolls is stcuk in his liitle video world.

"Always be ready"

"right, that's it!you've insulted me, and you've insulted the shaolin temple!"-Fish of Furry

[old jong]

Try to beat that! :D
http://members.aol.com/mwste/4t.gif
Talk about deadly! ;)

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[Water Dragon]

Anxiously awaiting Prom Night, Gary decides to practice for the big good night kiss

http://www.pressurepointfighting.com/public_html/images/grwebpic9.jpg

You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom

[JWTAYLOR]

Well, if that's the case, his right hand is upside down. Bad form.

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[old jong]

Getting ready to kick some @ss!
http://www.bullseyedesigns.com/sideshow/people/other_oddities/pete_robinson.jpg

Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[les paul]

Ralek

So what's your point?

A year ago I made the Mid West Heavy Weight Kook Sul Won Grappling champion submit (Mike Fox) not once but four out of five times.

All I do Xingyiquan.

[diego]

IT looks like gary is practising two kisses,geuss he likes ogres and cupcakes

"I finish the job with a tiger claw into the throat. Remember guys'INSERT CORNY WHITEBOY VOICE' use extreme violence against your opponents always, that will discourage them from hurting other people" kungfu site technique sec.VS?."...

[Water Dragon]

http://pressurepointfighting.com/public_html/images/grwebpic6.jpg

You may take my life, but you will never take my Freedom

[gazza99]

Just because I am a scrawny white boy doesnt mean I cant catch a fish that big!!
You have insulted the honor of my fishing skills, and my rare promanade dancing art..im going to get in my car and come and ....wait wait.....I cant find my keys? Could someone point them out to me? TTT!!!!
Gary

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[Fish of Fury]

how did you know i'm that big!

__________________________________________________ _________________________ "I'm just trying to lull you into a genuine sense of security!"

[EARTH DRAGON]

When you'r telling one of your litle stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.So whats your point?

I think that although you are having fu with captions you are missing the point of endurance stances as kung lek said you dont have the faintest idea how hard it is to hold those stances or you wouldnt make fun of them, I invite you to try them for just a minute. If you get up to around 10 minutes or so which is begginer level then you can make fun of what ever you want!
So just becuse you cant do it does not mean that you can ridicule abilities that you do not have.
As for fighting stances they are not as many people tryed to explian, but if you think that we cannot fight go rent UFC 6 and 7 and watch my kung fu brother joel sutton win both of them notice he has a 8 step praying mantis shirt on!
PS it was the bloodiest UFC match in history!!!!!!!!!!
by the way I found my keys thanks for you help though

http://www.kungfuUSA.net

[Ryu]

Old Jong, I trust you won't be putting any more pics of me on this thread. Don't make me come down there!

Ryu

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"One who takes pride in shallow knowledge or understanding is like a monkey who delights in adorning itself with garbage."

[SifuAbel]

One thing vasco has no clue about is whether the stances represent the beginning of the move or the end. He probably thinks every move is an initial move. He doesn't understand them because he doesn't have the foggiest notion as to how the whole movement is used. So to him, the people in the pictures are going to start off that way instead of ending up that way. In his mind(and I use that term rather loosely)He's thinking " oh what are you going to do from there" When in reality the opponent is not standing in front of him but already affected by the technique.

Ugh, the young, It's always interesting to see how relative babies in the arts think they know everything. hmmmmmmm that fits , He's a big baby. makes sense

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

[tnwingtsun]

>Traditional Kung fu guys really do fight out of those sheotty stances<


No we don't,that just shows your ignunce.

[chokeyouout2]

Thats a shame you show pictures of people in a group to make someone think you have friends.Do your students sense your need for attachment?How do you consistently coax them out of their monthly dues in lieu of fighting ability?You are the epidemy of the kid who got his head dunked in the toilet in high school.Too weak to defend, too ignorant to learn how.Thats your lifetime definition.Now, monkeyboy go home.

When you'r telling one of your little stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[Shaolin]

Kung fu guys look like they get all dressed up to take pics in their pretty lil girl stances. The BJJ look like they're mating. :mad:

Pain is weakness leaving the body.

[JWTAYLOR]

Good one Gary. :)

JWT

If you pr!ck us, do we not bleed? If you poison us, do we not die? And if you wrong us, shall we not revenge? If we are like you in the rest, we will resemble you in that the villany you teach me, I will execute, and it shall go hard but I will better the instruction. MOV

[EARTH DRAGON]

without flamming me I am still waiting for your point and invitation to attempt those stances!
ps where are the pictures of you doing anything that resembles martial arts or are you just a tongue fu master?

http://www.kungfuUSA.net

[MaFuYee]

i am a "tongue fu" master. - that's why all the chickies dig me!

- I bet a funny thing about driving a car off a cliff is, while you're in midair, you still hit those brakes! Hey, better try the emergency brake!

[old jong]

Let's see who is going to come...I mean get in the guard!
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Les paroles s'envolent.
Les écrits restent!...

[SifuAbel]

Rosco P. Coltrane

Way to go. You showed your usual lack of smarts, again. Why don't you take your own advice for a change and have a point. It delights me no end, BTW, that my little picture bothers you so much. It shows real people, not a bunch of seething roid monsters of whom you are secretly attracted to.

Try, if you can(which I doubt), to debate my point instead of making assanine juvenile remarks which put you well below the level of a 9th grader. h

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

[chokeyouout2]

Debate?Ok!

Lets digram your paragraph for starters.(You'll learn that in logic class.)What I will be looking for is two to 3 premises that are relative to your introductory statement and provide complete or partial support for your conlusion.

But wait!As I read your literary masterpiece, I notice that you have failed to provide even the slightest occurance of a "indicator" word; "therefore","since","because" are good examples of argument indicators.I then notice that there is no inferential relationship between your statements.What this means Able is there is no argument.

In order to have a debate you must provide a argument of some sort.You have failed to provide this element.What you have written is synonomous with loosely associated stements and statements of opinion.

I will provide a small inductive argument.We can go from there.

If Sifu Able and his students think they can fight, they probably have.
Sifu Able and his students have never fought.
Therfore, probably Sifa Able and his students have no clue about fighting.

Well, there you go a nice concise argument for you and your students to think about.Now monkeyboy, go home.

When you'r telling one of your little stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[SifuAbel]

yap... yap..... yap.

Yawn,

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

[Mr. Nemo]

"If Sifu Able and his students think they can fight, they probably have.
Sifu Able and his students have never fought.
Therfore, probably Sifa Able and his students have no clue about fighting."

Not that I really wanna side with Abel here, but I don't think this is a valid inductive argument.

[chokeyouout2]

Able is the one professing to be intelligent.Nemo I appreciate your opinion.I said it was inductive, nothing else.:)

When you'r telling one of your little stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[CanadianBadAss]

"If Sifu Able and his students think they can fight, they probably have.
Sifu Able and his students have never fought.
Therfore, probably Sifa Able and his students have no clue about fighting."

Therefore, probably....

What was that you were saying about their English?

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[chokeyouout2]

You said you wanted to stray from 9th grade responses like,"this thread is gay", or "yap,yap,yap".


Then you accuse me of being short on smarts?I'm surpised you are able to walk upright.


So what is it?Mable you're all over the place.I gave you a argument to work with.Yap,Yap,Yap is not a correct answer.So, once again, monkey boy go home.

When you'r telling one of your little stories, here's a idea; Have a point, it makes it so much more interesting for the reader.

[SifuAbel]

Boring!!!!!!!

What's childish is this mandark impersonation.

Talk about stances and your lack of knowledge about them.

BTW your "arguement" is based on assumptions that have no way of being proven.

Just like knifefighter.ñ

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

[Nutt'nhunny]

Gary, I think your cool now. You really do have more going for you than most. You have done perfectly considering your education. I think your teacher has a lot of gaps in his tai chi that he fills in as best he can, but it still isn't tai chi. Still, I like your self depricating humor. It hints at depth.

[Knifefighter]

OK, I’ll buy the argument that stances can be a transitional movement- nothing wrong with that. What I don’t buy is that any of those stances shown could be used effectively in any part of a fight. I’ve been in and watched quite a number of fights and have yet to see anything resembling any of those stances ever used in an effective manner. How the heck could you use any one of those stances-? Other than maybe trying to catch your balance before you fall on your a$$. The only one of those stances that is a decent transitional movement is the cross step and you would only use it with a weapon, not empty-handed.

BTW, vasco, that had to be the funniest post I’ve ever seen.

ã

[This message was edited by Knifefighter on 10-10-01 at 05:50 PM.]

[Watchman]

He borrowed the post from an old thread on the OG. Plus, the sociopaths over there had "photoshopped" a number of the photos.

I'll leave it to your imagination as to modifications made. :D

[Knifefighter]

OK... that makes more sense.T

[Arioch7]

Well, I read some of the four pages but basically stopped at Kung Leks post. He is absolutely right.

These are training stances. Most of these "so-called" MMA's dont even have the strength to hold a stance for three minutes, yet they are good fighters?

If you are too weak to even do proper stance TRAINING, what makes you think you are strong?

Again, I ask for pics, documentation or a LOGICAL post from any of them. This is how I see it...

You guys are too weak to do proper stance work.

[gazza99]

Honeysmacks,
Thank you for the compliment, though If what I do is not indeed true taijiquan, then I suppose that gives me more to look forward to learning and more to explore!! I am always willing to keep an open mind, and I know that Erles stuff is not the end-all-be-all of taiji, or the martial arts,(just thus far its the best ive found) so If you have any suggestions, or teachers names, videos, etc..I would be happy to explore more options!
Anyhow, perhaps we can get together sometime and we can exchange knowlegde, and kick back a few beers.
Later,
Gary

"Of course thats just my opinion, I could be wrong"-Dennis Miller
www.pressurepointfighting.com (http://www.pressurepointfighting.com)

[Knifefighter]

Arioch:
Holding a stance for extended periods of time is muscular endurance, not strength. It is the like the difference between a sprinter and a distance runner. The sprinter has developed power and speed, while the distance runner has developed his endurance.

The reason MMA fighters don’t stand in stationary stances for extended periods of time is that doing so doesn’t do much for developing the attributes needed for fighting.
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[Nutt'nhunny]

actually no. I have my source that gives me too much info application wise than I can fight with in a very effective manner. Mostly my tai chi looks like aikido. Other than my source, I haven't seen any good tai chi on video. Tai Chi magazine has some cool people, actually as far as those guys that are out there. I have read earles articles and it doesn't look like the tai chi that I'm learning. Then again, I'm just learning surface level tai chi stuff.

However I can move my chi around and even bounce it back and forth between palm kinda like buff guys do with their pecks, its very slinky like. Also I can use pung pretty consistantly to throw someone who swings an uppercut at me. Keep your head up,

Honeysmack

[Arioch7]

I love you man! :D

Actually, it is what they call eccentric strength. Concentric strength is the actual exertion of the muscle. Certain weightlifting techniques favor what they call "negatives."

You lift until you are exhausted and then your spotter puts more weight on then you can handle andyou hold it there.I dont subscribe to this method myself, but I tend to use everything. That is the use of Negatives.

As I said, I tend to use everything. Such training does build explosive power if you combine it with more methods of training, IMHO.

[AbraxasXIII]

It actually does build strength since all of your weight is balanced on one leg.

I always thought that 8-Step and Seven Star Praying Mantis was cool as hell and would have been my first choice if I didn't have to drive 4 hours to get to a school that taught it.

Anywho, the captions were still funny as hell.

AbraxasXIII

"Dad, I dont think I'm gonna do Hamster Style anymore." - Ben Chapleski

[Arioch7]

Also, people who favor this type of training will tell you that muscles can handle 40% more weight on the negative portion then on the actual exertion.

They use heavier weight and thus they think they are better prepared.

I think explosive(Concentric strength.) is MUCH more valuable but I can still see the advantage in training both ways.

Normal training is my standard, but I like to mix it up with stance training to balance myself.

Explosive training is valuable but I like to be as strong as any of the traditionalists in thier work.

I think mixing both worlds produces a superior martial artist. My opinion... but I am right. :D

[NorthernMantis]

I have used my stances to keep my ground.I'm only somewhere between 5'6 and the guys I sparred were 5'9 and up ,if I remember correctly.I got the snott beat out of me most of the time but I still held my own.

"Always be ready"

"right, that's it!you've insulted me, and you've insulted the shaolin temple!"-Fish of Furry

[Knifefighter]

Arioch

Concentric, eccentric, and isometric are the types of contractions done by the muscles. Concentric contractions are done anytime a muscle is shortened and a load is moved against a gravitational pull (i.e. the lifting part of an arm curl). Eccentric contractions, also known as negatives, are performed when a muscle is elongated and a load is moved in a controlled manner in the direction of the gravitational pull (the lowering portion of an arm curl). Isometric contractions are done when a muscle is contracted and held in one position. Strength is the maximum force generated by a muscle. Performing work for an extended amount of time is endurance.


Endurance and strength are two opposite ends of the spectrum and the muscle fibers and types of training done for each are different. There is absolutely no argument in the exercise science community on how and how not to effectively develop strength. To develop strength in an effective manner (whether concentric, eccentric, or isometric) requires a heavy enough load so that your muscles cannot continue their contractions for somewhere between 15 seconds and a minute (depending on the specific training). Holding an unloaded stance for 5, 10, 15 minutes or longer has almost nothing to do with strength and everything to do with enduranced.

As a side note, excessive endurance actually hinders strength.
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[Nutt'nhunny]

bah, stances make roots, roots make power. Once you can truly understand a stance, you can almost fly while staying perfectly poised. Train on its tracks I've heard it described. Pow. Don't like it? DOn't bother doing it. Good stances is what allows us to do all those gracefull intricate stuff with power. Thats why it doesn't work when you try. All the turning movements are dangerous for a novice and devestating, when you sweat enough buckets to truly understand what you have been training for. Then, your boxing/wrestling friend is truly fuct. You stand like a mountain and move like a river.

[Nutt'nhunny]

But don't bother. Is he paying you for the lesson your trying to give him? No nor does he appreciate it. There are lots of legit kung fu folks here. We could be saying, try this variation of this shoalin drill. We do it for this purpose to develop this. This drill helps mantis grabbing and could help your CLF do this this and this. Wow thanx mantis guy. Don't say, "That wont work" If you don't like it, don't try it.

Instead some **** says, "Your styles no good, nhb rocks(since its new and a fighting style after all) :rolleyes: and we waste all our time "prooving them wrong" of course they are wrong, so what. They might still be good for some training drills. Even ralek had some that he shared. I've gotten some great thai pad drills and have actually picked up some great info just lurking here

[EARTH DRAGON]

wow all this over mine and my students stances! Its amazing (like many people have said) that the ones who talk crap about stance training CANNOT DO IT! as you should figure it requires a lot of training to perform endurance stances, but again they are not meant to fight from, nor is horse stance but yet every martial art has it, but dummies that dont understand even the basics think to themselfs how can they fight from that stance "duh" you dont but I ask for the 3rd time try them or even easier yet becuse those stances are on the hard side just stick one leg out in front of you, squat down and stand back up.... do that five times better yet try it 2 times see how weak your legs really are, when you get up to around 50 or so then talk smack but until then dont make fun of something just becuse you cant do it!!!!!!!!!!!

http://www.kungfuUSA.net

[Arioch7]

Yeah, ****... I had a good post but I lost it.

Ok, we probably train and fight in a similiar fashion. As you know, there are a million different training methods that ((Supposebly) yield results.

I primarily train full contact and I am a weightlifter. When I train with Northern stylists, I do NOT have the strength to do the stance work.

This tells me that I HAVE to be as strong as them. Sigh... I have had a few beers as I type this so I hopr it is not completely incoherant.

You should understand the CMA emphasis on "rooting" but you dont seem too.

I am not disagreeing with you, I am only telling you to examine this facet of training.

Do you dig what I am saying? I am 180 pounds and can squat quite a bit, but cant you see the value of a srong root?

[Knifefighter]

Arioch:
I see the value in rooting. It is much like having a good base in wrestling. The problem with standing in a stance, by yourself, for extended periods of time is that it is like trying to practice swimming without going into the water. Wrestlers have the some of best "rooting" you'll ever find, but you won't see them practicing solo stance training.

Watchman:
I checked out the site with those stances. You are wrong. They were not doctored up. They look exactly like that on the original site.

[Braden]

Being unable to do their stances does NOT mean you're not as functionally strong as they are. Strength is a funny thing that is terribly hard to define, because it all depends on how you're measuring it. I'm consistently getting irritated because I think I'm in excellent shape, and then I find a very simple exercise that I cannot do well. But that's the way these things work.

The problem I have with this stances argument is that there's a potential problem in their definition of strength. They say they're going that low to develop strength - but the strength they say they're trying to develop is in a different range of motion. It's like what you're doing - exercising squats, then judging your strength on your ability to hold low stances. Well, you've got to decide - what kind of strength do you want? And then you've got to train for that. Although this all seems like common sense to me, I'm pretty sure modern exercise science has my back.

Rooting is a funny, and very misunderstood thing. At a foundational level, rooting is being able to accept force (ie. not be moved) on any part of your body in any direction without opposing it with tension (to test, if the force is suddenly removed, proper rooting means your body will not move at all; if there is tension, it will "bounce back"). This is not the same as having strong legs and dropping your center of balance (in fact, you should not drop your body in rooting, and should be able to do it from a high stance). On a similar note, if you think rooting is going to stop someone from doing a single leg takedown on you, you're kidding yourself. It was never supposed to do this. It's a foundational skill required to properly do other things, like yield and emit force properly. To train this skill, you have to do standing postures, because it is done foundationally with relaxation, posture, and internal stretching - the things you should be practicing when you do stances. You also have to have it tested occasionally as a "touchstone." However, you don't have to, and I would say even _shouldn't_ practice it with such low stances. Particularly if you're NOT strong, it becomes very hard to relax and maintain correct posture when you're that low (indeed, as is the case in those particular shots). And of course, all else being equal, you should practice things how you're going to use them.

[Mr. Nemo]

Braden is correct except about how you shouldn't do low stances. You shouldn't -only- do low stances, I think you should do them at all different depths and positions.

"Watchman:
I checked out the site with those stances. You are wrong. They were not doctored up. They look exactly like that on the original site."

He means they were doctored up on the OG. They cut and pasted the bald guy riding on a surfboard, sneaking past a tiger, and sticking his finger up some blond chick's a$$.

[Watchman]

>>>Watchman:
I checked out the site with those stances. You are wrong. They were not doctored up. They look exactly like that on the original site.<<<

Sorry I wasn't clearer. Choke's post was a repeat of a long-running joke thread on the Otherground from a while back.

They started with a post just like Choke's, then had a sort of seeming contest on who could come up with the best Photoshop parodies.

The parodies were even funnier than the original thread. Imagine the kid in the white doing his stance while wearing a clown wig and on roller skates. Now imagine your typical OG commentary to go along with the doctored photo. :D And that was one of the nice ones.

That's what I was referring to.

LOL @ Mr. Nemo seeing the same thread.

[Braden]

Can anyone post a link to the OG thread?

[EARTH DRAGON]

not for you braden! you are not welcome and nobody wants you there it is troll less and if you logon the whole place will go to sh*t!!!!!!!
and why would you want to? havent you made an ass of your self already? or do you need to dig ****her to amuse your pathetic life

http://www.kungfuUSA.net

[Braden]

No dude, I just thought it would be funny to check out.

[EARTH DRAGON]

so would a picture of you not being on your computer and actually training your bagua!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!now that would be a rare picture

http://www.kungfuUSA.net

[Braden]

As I said before, if you would like to donate the equipment required to do that, I will post all the pictures you want.

[Arioch7]

I agree that excessive endurance training can make you less explosive. However, I do not think stance work fits this bill.

If you are a marathon runner, you have great leg endurance but little functional strength. I do not stand in stances for 15 minutes, I do not think that is beneficial.

This is way off, but think plyometrics. I know, it is WAY off. Yet, when most modern martial artist go low, they cant explode into action(Can you tell I like that word? :D).

I say again, I like to mix both styles. My Sifu is a Physical Therapist at Melrose-Wakefield Hospital in MAssachusetts and he combines both. I would be hard pressed to find someone with as much speed and power as he has.

Braden is correct on this point. Again, I do not advocate training for very long periods in stance work, but relatively long periods have been helpful to me.

Knifefighter, you seem to be knowledgeable about the physiology of the muscular system. Are you familiar with the THEORY that low weight extensive repetitions done in an insane manner(I believe a popular program is called "The Hundreds.") is supposed to actually split muscle fibers, resulting in more fibers to work with when you try to build up power.

In other words, you train for massive endurance and lose a little bit of strength(I may not have phrased that right.), but then you can eventually build up your strength to a much greater degree. I bleieve proper stance work can do something similiar.

Wow... long post.

[Arioch7]

LOL! An interesting analogy would be when a stock you own splits. It results in decreased values for your shares but you get twice as much that will eventually be worth more then before they split.

MAn, am I getting weird or what! :D

[yin lion]

eather you have 10+ years in the same art with a really good teacher or he wasn't doing tai chi. maybe he teaches for health

you must unlearn what you have learned then and only then will you be wise and have knolage

[Silumkid]

Arioch,

I have heard of the theory you are referring to...can't recall the scientific name for it at the moment, perhaps hyperplasia?

Anyhow, it has only been proven in lab rats...no human cases yet. But it is an interesting thing if possible, could open a whole new methodolgy of weight training if it can be proven.

I personally am looking forward to hearing more about it.

We are trained in wushu; we must protect the Temple!

[Arioch7]

Yes, I am pretty sure that is the correct name for it.

I do know that certain athletes that combine weightlifting with a lot of repetitions are usually quite fit.

Sometimes we can see the results of training without knowing the exact science behind it.

[SevenStar]

I lost my keys, and the pics in this thread helped me to find them. I had to pull this one back for old times sake - the original post was hilarious.





yeah, I'm bored. I'm about to go train.

[Serpent]

Woah! Good find 7*!

:D

[Shaolin-Do]

I stand with all my weight on my left pinky toe, so I can jump flying side kick peoples heads off from 45 feet.
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[wooha]

This thread is the best argument for why we need to be able to post images!

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Shaolin-Do
I stand with all my weight on my left pinky toe, so I can jump flying side kick peoples heads off from 45 feet.
:eek: :eek: :eek:



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You do that too?

[Shaolin-Do]

Only in the most dire of situations.