Gypsy NUTCASES!!!!!

[DelicateSound]

Sorry for the title campers, but they are.

My UFC-loving friend showed me this XXX-rated video, and *shock* it wasn't "Donkey does Dallas 3".

I've seen this stuff on Sky before, but only censored. It's amateur fighting, mainly in the underground gypsy scene of London.

It was brutal. Like, these guys were ugly before, but man. Eek.

Things I learned from watching it:

1) Never, EVER fight a gypsy. Or anyone who looks like one. Or ever fight in a true ungloved NHB tournament or any suchlike event. Period.

2) These guys punched vertical-fist. Why I don't know, as one interviewee was a boxer. Except for a couple of fine crosses.

3) Grappling didn't seem to work. It was all kicking at shins and jabbing from a distance. Close-in really didn't seem to occur. Saw one good elbow. They all seemed to wary of their opponant to get close. One guy went for a clinch and got laid to the ground with a hook to the jaw.

4) Grappling CAN work. The only other stuff on their was a guy who went for a tackle, took the guy clean and pummelled t'other guys face. He gave up after about 2 seconds, but looked like he'd been face-****ed by a freight train.

5) Fights are messy. I'm talking mangled. One guys eye seemed to explode all over his face. Minging.

6) Kicking the shins is a viable tactic apparantly. And scraping the shins with your boot. My UFC-loving, mule-wanking friend says it's a Savate tactic, but as the French are a bunch of pussies I disagree.

All in all, a sick but useful video. Better than "Jenna loves Rocco" anyway.




Thoughts below. :)

[Former castleva]

Illegal and suspicious?
Something you forgot to add.
I´m in no ways against different culture or such but in here gypsy rooted people are known well for crime&disturbance.
This cannot,hopefully,be like that everywhere&in everyone,no generalisations.

BTW,shin kicks are a viable technique,simple and practical.
It is taught for reason in basic self-defense and such arts as that of military and jujutsu recognize it all the way down to shin scraping which some consider effective,some not so.

[DelicateSound]

Oh hell yeah, it's all illegal [I think].

Over here they're notorious for a hardcore minority of them who cause trouble.

Not all the fighters were gypsies I don't think/presume, but it looked like it was organised by them. The infamous ones of the 80's were very similar.

[SevenStar]

can you post some of the footage online?

[SanHeChuan]

In "snatch" brad pit played a gypsy bare nuckle fighter, it was cool. Mutilation, not cool.

[Royal Dragon]

E-mail me a royaldragon@netzero.net, I want to buy a copy from you.

[premier]

Snatch rules =)

oh.. and I ****ing hate pikeys! ;)

[joedoe]

... Kicking the shins is a viable tactic apparantly. And scraping the shins with your boot. ...

Have you ever copped a few good ones to the shin? You can barely stand up after a while. DEFINITELY a viable tactic.

[Royal Dragon]

"Have you ever copped a few good ones to the shin? You can barely stand up after a while. DEFINITELY a viable tactic."

Reply]
A Muy Tai guy would just laugh at you.

[joedoe]

They always do :D

[Nexus]

Kicking the shins is also a technique used in t'ai chi. It is called a "lift" but the target is the shins.

[diego]

Kicking the shins is a viable tactic apparantly. And scraping the shins with your boot. " qoute ds!.

Deli, if you were to see the shin kicks/scrapes they did as form how would they look?.

[Crimson Phoenix]

Okie...having been chased by Gypsies quite a few time and outrunning them (or I wouldn't be here) I have to say BEWARE of Gypsies...they are NEVER unarmed...they are PROS at everything touching knives, throwing included. I have witnessed knife tactics from them in which they wobble around with their arms dangling and the knives hidden by their forearms...you never know what arm hides the knife, because they exchange it like card tricks...
It looks real silly, but it's scary (and surprisingly ressembling the white crane attitude of waiting for an attack, which is also related to wielding knivs hidden in your boots or behind your forearm...talk about convergence and selective pressure). You can't block, they expect you to do that so you will cut yourself on the blade they hide.

As for the shin kicks, only guys who have been in real heated fights realize the importance of stop kicks of all kinds to the legs from feet to knee...a karate sensei I know who would spare NHB challenge matches back in the 50s againsts judokas, boxers and wrestlers eventually realized that the only thing he'd forbid in the rules would be stop kicks (but he didn't: it was he who brought karate to Europe, and back in the days none of his challengers would use their legs that way...he also had a background of 20 years of savate, so his own legs were never in real danger)...he told me he was surprised how easily knees and shin and ankle break...or take away the will to fight...
He trained a guy from the Cuban political police, and the first thing he ever taught him was stop kicks, for three months, only stop kicks.
And no, Thai boxers wouldn't laught at you. Defending with the shin against another shin coming from the side is what they do. Stop kicks involve mostly linear kicking (not circular, although some exist) and the paramount difference is that the striking limb is a foot, not another shin...even more important, a foot in a shoe most of the time. Makes hell of a difference. C. Diabate; french Muai Thai champ (he defeated Rick Roufus) who now went to Free Fight, places savate with MT and free fight in the hardest combat disciplines (he has a good savate background). I was surprised and asked him why (he trains 500 meters away from my place)...he just said "kicking with shoes man...it changes the way of kicking, defending and the fighting distance and timing so much that the simple fact of wearing shoes on makes it a killer art".
Guys, believe it, train your stop kicks diligently, recklessly...no one can punch you if they can't get past your legs...and you may prevent many blood spills (your's or other's) by just making a guy's legs hurt so much he lost any will to fight and will gladly let you go away...
Watch out for these suckers trying to double leg throw you though heheheheheh

[Frank Exchange]

Holy crap DS, judging from this and your answers on the Kung Fu Blackbelt UFC thread, I have come to the conclusion that you watch more porn than I do. That's quite a feat ;)

Re: Gypsy's, yep, horrifying. Ever read the Lenny Maclean book? He was the hardest man around in the 70s, but even he had a few problems with the gypsy fighters. They were just man-monsters.

[Liokault]

Yep gypsys are MAd.....I could tell you some really bad gypsy storys but thats a whole other thread.

I do not belive that gypsy bare knuckle fighting is illegal....i belive its only underground as it is driven by betting which is illegal!!

Also i have seen some gypsy fights on video and it looked to me (i did not see any shin stamps) like they held off and did not throw many punches ....probably trying not to breack there hands....but when they did punch it was very fast very hard and with very high rates of clean knock outs!!!!

I also have a friend who has on occasion trained with some gypsy fighters and keeps telling me that we can go to a fight some time soon!!!

Oh yes....keep clear of gypseys....if your a gypsy then your nothing to them or any other gypsy.

[DelicateSound]

To all those who wanted a copy/online showing, sorry. It was a DVD and it wasn't mine.

If I can borrow it again, I have a PC DVD Player, but how do I get that to convert it into an MPEG? And I'll need a website to put it onto surely? Any geeks or spods here?

Frank: I've seen a lot :) I have some sick friends. :D




And once more [just for Crimson] Savate is not hard, it is French. You can't be French and NOT be a total wuss.

Sorry.


:D

[Crimson Phoenix]

LOL
yeah...takes one to know the other...
May I add...if you want to call anyone a wuss, you should do something about the word "delicate" in your handle first.

:D

[buksing_king]

sorry i must seem like a total idiot

but.........

what are gypsies?
what do they do that makes them gypsies?

are they a certain type of person ?

where are they from ?

why is everyone so scared of them ?

are they a gang .... or are people just reffering to a group of people that fit into the catagory of being a gypsy

sorry for sounding so dumb ... but i have no idea what these gypsies look like or what their history is :confused:

[DelicateSound]

You can talk, we all know Crimson is a girls colour.

[Ahh, to be eleven again.....]

Frenchie.

www.conquerfrance.com

[UltimateFighter]

That is very interesting. Could you please elaborate on the 'rules' i.e. did they gouge and bite etc?

Some of the techniques do sound similar to wing chun, since they only use stop kicks and straight line 'stamps' to the knees/shins not to mention the vertical fist. The vertical fist has always been used in bare knuckle boxing. It is a safer punch and does not damage the hand as much.

[anton]

Originally posted by buksing_king
sorry i must seem like a total idiot

but.........

what are gypsies?
what do they do that makes them gypsies?

are they a certain type of person ?

where are they from ?

why is everyone so scared of them ?

are they a gang .... or are people just reffering to a group of people that fit into the catagory of being a gypsy

sorry for sounding so dumb ... but i have no idea what these gypsies look like or what their history is :confused:

Gypsies (I think they call themselves Romany or collectively The Rom) are a race of people, they've been roaming Europe, leading a nomadic existence for a few centuries (although most of them have settled down these days). I'm not sure if anyone knows for sure where they're from, but some have suggested that they are descendants of members of an outcast ethnic group/caste in India. When they roamed Europe they made money selling stuff, and telling fortunes - to survive many of them committed theft (particularly stealing horses) and other petty crimes - this is why Gypsies tend to have a bad rep in Europe (esp. Eastern Europe, where they continue to be strongly discriminated against). The Gypsies in Russia had their own language (used to live next door to a Gypsy family when I was a kid). I'm not sure if the language is the same accross Gypsy groups in different countries - probably not as the original language would have become mixed with the native, forming local dialects. Flamenco music, with which you probably are familiar, is essentially the music of Gypsies who settled in Southern Spain (particularly Andalusia) - an sounds a lot like the kind of music you hear Gypsies play all over the place.
As for why people are scared of them - historically Gypsies have tended to grow up in tough circumstances and so are pretty tough themselves. In the old days peope were scared of them because they do have some traditions of mysticism and their old women constantly threaten to "curse" people they don't like.

[sanjia]

A slight trouble I'm finding here is that they ('travelling people' LOL, how PC of me), are beginning to seem like some sort of fighting heroes. (to those not 'in the know') The film 'Snatch' not really helping the matter.
Now I would certainly agree that 'they' are the last people, multiple or single that one would want to get into any sort of a disagreement with, because as already posted they are very good at fighting because they do it for real and often, and even more to the point as crimson king (nice name) points out they simply do not give a toss about anything or anybody save themselves, especially the law.
The real problem is the chaos left behind after they move on to the next site. If you have ever seen whats left after they have moved on you will know exactly what I am talking about, and if some of you are thinking that means a bit of rubbish, then think again. A tonne of human waste is not a pleasant thing to encounter anywhere let alone in a park or a subway or in your street. Add to that the salvage of your or your neighbours new car and the amount of reported burglaries and the picture is slightly less 'romantic'.

As for fighting methods, simply put, they use what works because they know it works, as crimsonking has already said. However, attempting to compare it to any martial art is a joke pure and simple. There are no rules at all and the combat is real, the winner is the one left standing, thats it.
However 'hard core' a lot of people seem to believe they train, they do not. Not unless they face each other on a training basis with the one simple idea of ending the ability of the opponent to fight back, in any way they can.

For what its worth, rant over. :-)

Mark

[Daredevil]

I'm wondering about the epic proportions of this, too. :)

Around here, many gypsies are troublemakers (well, esp. the young) and I've had a few troubled with them myself, but I wouldn't call them unbeatable fighting machines. I'm sure there are those, too.

They are, however, nasty minded (with little regard to the law -- probably a holdover from their wandering days when they only went by the laws of their "clan" and ignored all else), don't fight fair and apparently like to carry knives, so yeah I wouldn't mess with them unnecessarily.

Just my thoughts on the subject.

[DelicateSound]

Why'd you losers all have to get political.

For the record, they aren't officially Gypsies. The box cover was hardly:

"Ultimate NHB Pikey-Only Fighting, right from the caravan side!

See these Gypo nutcases fight like no man or beast!"


It was called "Extreme Fighting 4" if I remember rightly.



UF: The only rule was "If he's beaten, leave 'im". There was a ref, but that was the only reason he was there, to prevent beating on a submitted opponant. No other rule. Saw one fishhook to the mouth and an attempted eye gouge that missed. To be honest they didn't get close enough to make it count and that sh!t was real inaccurate from the distance they were at.

To be honest it looked like scrappy Wing Chun mixed with bad boxing.

[Liokault]

Quick example of just what gypsies are like. This story was on tv and in news papers a year or so ago.

Male gypsie breacks into a hospital and rapes a paraliysed women in full view of another woman who can not get out of bed to help so just has to watch.

This gypsie of course gets arrested as there is a witness.

Now the fun starts.....the gypsies family petrol bomb the hostital room with the paralysed woman in and openly (physicaly) attack the womans husband in court for going forwards with the case!!!


Not nice people!!

[DelicateSound]

And my screenname is from an album Frenchie.

Don't you guys know any Rock and Roll?

Or is it just Sacha Distelle and the electricity defying Claude Francois?

[Water Dragon]

Did the winner get a dag?

[Crimson Phoenix]

Dear DelicateSound...in your obvious scornful attitude towards things French you commited a delicate lapsus...I was not the one commenting on the music issue, and the color pink...read again the posts of your fellows in UK, with more delicacy this time.

As far as droppin lame singers' names, I wouldn't compete with a fellow from UK...Boy George alone makes you guys eternal winners in that category :)

[sanjia]

Delicatesound : "Why'd you losers all have to get political"

"You talkin' to me?"


Delicatesound : "For the record, they aren't officially Gypsies"

OK, fair enough, although your first two posts hinted a little bit strongly that most of them were and that it was organised and based on them.

Mark

[DelicateSound]

I was talking to everyone :p

And maybe it'a gypsy, maybe not. Looked like it to me, but I don't have a PhD in Gypsy Authentication so who knows.

[sanjia]

Delicatesound : "I don't have a PhD in Gypsy Authentication so who knows."

Christ, you students dont do any bloody work do you.

Mark

[Mr Punch]

Just BTW, over centuries in many countries, Europeans have used 'gypsy' as an insult. I have a friend, 'hethe from Barthelona', and he says other Spanish people call the Catalans gypsies, cos they're considered outsiders. They're also called Polish!

Got kicked unconscious by a gypsy once. Cracked a tooth, chipped another, and left blood ****ing from my cheek. At one point, I vaguely recall, he was driving away, then stopped the car, reversed it until he realised he couldn't drive it over me, so jumped out again for the sole purpose of dancing on my broken head some more with his para boots. Nice boy.

Met some reasonable ones though, but I wouldn't cross them.