just saw Jackie Chan's Tuxedo!!!

[SanSoo Student]

I thought the movie was pretty bad, the only good thing I thought was seeing what the suit could do.
And also Jennifer Love Hewitt didn't hurt my eyes either :D

[GeneChing]

Jakcie is allowed a bad one every once in a while. This one will sit with The Protector and Burn Hollywood Burn. What a stinker. Stupid story and I could have done those stunts. And I couldn't stand Hewitt, she was so annoying.

But I did like the James Brown part. That was the highlight of the film.

[SanSoo Student]

Yeah I did like the end scene with him and james brown, that was cool. I thought that the last part was soooooo dumb with him and that girl. I hope Shanghai Knights will be better.

[Chang Style Novice]

Shanghai Noon is Jackie's only tolerable US film so far (I've avoided the Rush Hours because Chris Tucker makes me want to dig a grave somewhere remote) so I too have high hopes for Shanghai Knights.

[Jimbo]

I hated the way they made Jackie Chan look like the Caucasian stereotype of the typical "Asian male wimp." I've made similar complaints about other American films before starring Jackie, Jet Li, Chow Yun-fat, etc.

Ironically, the other night on AMC I saw Bruce Lee: A Warrior's Journey, and they show a clip of the interview Bruce gave in 1971 where he mentions the fact that Hollywood never shows a true Asian in films, only the Western stereotypes. It's pretty pathetic that 31 years after that interview Asian males are still typecast in these subservient wimpy roles.

Jim

[GeneChing]

Ain't that the truth? Asain male leads still can't kiss the girl. Jackie did score a kiss in Rush Hour 2, but it was a latina, not a white woman. And who can forget Briget Fonda accusing Jet of being gay in KoD? Actually neither of them did a lot of kissing on screen, even in their HK movies. Remember Jackie's Big/Battle Creek Brawl love scene in the beginning of the movie? That was pretty daring, even back then. But then he winds up kissing the villain, so what can you say?

[Chang Style Novice]

I think you may be reading too much into this. For some reason that I've never been able to figure out, almost no martial arts movies have romance subplots, whether the star is asian, anglo, or what.

The only exception that jumps to mind right now is "Black Belt Jones" and that's as much blaxploitation pic as kungfu flick, which throws the formula a curve anyway.

Oh, and Samo's romance of that fishery owner in "Dragons Forever" but that was a really chaste love affair.

[Lisa]

The Fong Say Yuk movies have romantic sub-plots. In the second one he ends up with TWO wives... now what's more romantic than that?

[n0rmann]

Two wives? That's more like a horror movie than a kung fu movie.

And, I like Jennifer Love Hewitt. Very, very, very much. She's very talented. Not irritating at all.

[GeneChing]

CTHD had so much romance, it was the first western kungfu chick flik. And we love it for that. :D

But how many scenes can you name where an Asian man kissed a white woman? On the contrary, look at Tomorrow Never Dies (even Michelle was choking on the "Oh, James!" line.)

By the way, M. Butterfly doesn't count here.

[Jimbo]

Gene:
I hear ya. Actually, it would have been great if Jackie had gotten more of a kiss at the end of Rush Hour 2, instead of just a friendly little peck.

Americans (non-Asian Americans, that is) have no problems with Asian women being with white or African-American males; however, they are extremely uncomfortable showing Asian males being romantic with white or Afro-American females. Such movie portrayals do affect reality. People in general are very much influenced by what the media shows. If they see something often enough, it becomes the accepted view for them. Hence, many Caucasian males are enthralled with "exotic" Asian women; but Causasian women are not in general attracted to Asian men, and certainly not to the same degree. At best they see us as "nice" or "cute" because that's the roles given us.

To be fair, Rob Cohen tried to break "some" of the stereotypes with Russell Wong in the pilot episode of "Vanishing Son" but the series degenerated into a cheesy rehash of the old "Kung Fu" series before it was understandably canceled.
Jim

[Chang Style Novice]

I see lots of white chicks with asian boyfriends around UT. And I know lots of gals of all shades and tones who dampen themselves spontaneously at the mention of Jackie Chan or Chow Yun Fat. My point? That some dumb@ss hollywood execs are missing out on a big potential market, 'cause I don't disagree with anything said on the subject so far.

Except I can't believe I forgot CTHD when it comes to KF romance pictures.

[Qi dup]

I like this review: (http://www.suntimes.com/output/ebert1/wkp-news-tuxedo27f.html)

[Qi dup]

Don't forget Romeo Must Die. If I remember correctly that movie was some what romantic?

[GeneChing]

csn - Hey I'm married to a caucasian woman. And it's funny some of the comments we get when we travel.

qd - I wouldn't call RoD a romance. It had the potentail but still no kiss.

[@PLUGO]

Saw about half of the Movie.... (snuck in after catching REDDragon, which I recomend). Came on at about the point where Jackie & the chick discover the underground Pool/lab.

as the movie continued I realised that Jackie Chan was lending his name to this movie, but beyond that it wasn't recognisable as a Jackie Chan flick...
Chris Rock could have played that role and probably been funnier.

I'll probably rent it when it comes out on DVD to see the rest of it....:rolleyes:

[GeneChing]

Actually I think Jackie just wanted to work with Dreamworks. I mean after Burn Hollywood Burn, Jackie established how much he likes to smooze.

Don't get me wrong - I love Jackie Chan films. I even went out for the premiere of this one regretably. But if you know Jackie, you know he's good for one stinker every three or so movies. And one really good one every ten or so. Fortunately he puts out so many movies that the stinkers soon fade from memory and the good ones remain.

[GeneChing]

Hey Stumble, Jackie couldn't understand "nice rack" either, so you're out of touch but at least you're in good company. Jackie has come out poublicly and said "I hated it (tuxedo)" He often bashes his own movies - something I've always admired in him. He said he only did it to work with Spielberg, and that was a pleasure, even though Spielberg didn't really direct it.

BTW, I saw Hewitt's music video, Bare Naked. It would have been far better if she was. She launched an ablum on the heels of Tuxedo and was pushing that more when she did the promotional rounds. Can't say I blame her. Wasn't impressed by her singing talents either.

Let's hope Shanghai Nights is better.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
I think you may be reading too much into this. For some reason that I've never been able to figure out, almost no martial arts movies have romance subplots, whether the star is asian, anglo, or what.

The only exception that jumps to mind right now is "Black Belt Jones" and that's as much blaxploitation pic as kungfu flick, which throws the formula a curve anyway.

Oh, and Samo's romance of that fishery owner in "Dragons Forever" but that was a really chaste love affair.

Van Damme has had plenty of love scenes. So has Don "The Dragon" Wilson. "Ring of Fire" was basically a martial arts romance story.

As a whole though, nah, you don't see alot of romance in martial arts films.

[TkdWarrior]

As a whole though, nah, you don't see alot of romance in martial arts films.
wat the hellll romance has to do with Martial arts films...??
jackie rocks...
-TkdWarrior-

[GeneChing]

It's a race thing. Don Wilson looks hapa to me, but I don't know for sure. Hapa can kiss (is. Keanu, Kristen Kreuk) but asian men cannot (unless it's an asian woman.)

It's really not an issue of romance in martial arts films. It's more about how asian male leads are portrayed in mainstream media. As more asian men get lead roles, it'll be interesting to see how long this trends holds out. After all, we asian males are so kissable, especially if you're a hollywood starlet.;)

[GeneChing]

Well, like I said earlier, Jackie is good for a stinkeroo every 4th film or so. Hopefully he got it out of his system. I guess they shot a whole big fight scene at the end that was cut. I wonder what genius cut that out?

[David Jamieson]

I enjoyed it.

I have a personal story about it actually, seeing as it was filmed right around the corner from where i work.

so, i pull up in my car and find a sweeeeet spot (hard to do in toronto) and as soon as I get all snugged in, this guy and girl run up to my car all shaking their arms like I ran over their cat or something.

I open the door and step out of my car, they say "you can't park here, we're filming.

"Filming what" I said.

"Jackie Chan movie" the girl said pointing at all the trucks and what not all over the place, lights umbrellas and lo and behold, the Chan man.

I moved my car.

anyway, what did the rest of you think of it?

cheers

[dezhen2001]

that tale sounds more interesting than the movie from all accounts :D

guess i will have to see it just so i can say i have :(

dawood

[kenso]

It was no City Hunter.

I'm not sure whether I mean that in a good way or a bad way. :p
But hey I'm all for better Asian portrayals. It seems we're barely a step beyond Charlie Chan and Mr. Moto at times. Oh well, at least Asians actually get to play their flat boring stereotypes now, instead of having to have white guys stand in for them. How sad was that?! :mad:

[GeneChing]

lol! Stumble is right. You shoulda duked it out with Jackie. No doubt he would ahve sent his stunt team heavies in after you, but what a tale that would have made.

I guess I'd like Sux-edo if I had that experience with it too...

[David Jamieson]

ok, i'm inspired, next time he shoots here in T.O, I'm gonna track him down and poke him in the eye!! :D

cheers

[GeneChing]

... I'd hate to hear that one of our forum members blinded Jackie. That would be so, so, Van Damme. ;)

[Fu Jau]

Lets face it why would an asian man want to kiss a caucasian woman when asian women are so much better (in general, obviously there are some beautiful caucasians too!).
In The One, isnt Jet Li married to a caucasian woman?

[bob10]

Don' HK films stereotype just as much as western ones? Look at the western bad guys in any HK kung fu flick?

In fact look at most of the characterisations and plots, for the most part they are cliched or take-offs of Hollywood movies.

Japanes cinema seems a little different and, of course, were copied in the form of Fisitful of of Dollars and similar. However I don't see a HK film like Kagemusha or Saving Private Ryan. In that respect HK cinema would seem closer to Bollywood than Hollywood.

[Budokan]

"I just saw Jackie Chan's "Tuxedo"."

You have our condolences.:(

[Guile]

Jennifer Love Hewitt helps the movie stay visually appealing:D

[Kel1970]

I think that Jackie phoned this one in. You could tell it was too Hollywood and they probably didn't let him have control of the stunts. Jennifer Love Hewitt was very attractive (but when isn't she). Her acting was kinda below par for this. I know some people have been commenting on the issue of race and kissing and romance scenes. That didn't bother me. You could tell Jackie was WAY older than her. They just didn't make a good couple. Oh, what about Jason Lee in Dragon: The Bruce Lee Story. He kissed a caucasian woman. Lauren Holly I believe it was. They addressed this issue somewhat in that movie.

[GeneChing]

Dragon was an exception. It was one of the few real aspects of the Bruce Lee story that they addressed well in that movie.

And I think I can speak for most asian males when I say that we all had the hots for Lauren Holly for a long time afterwards, but of course, the only way we could get her was to be Bruce Lee...;)