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FIRE HAWK
10-06-2002, 09:05 PM
Are the Yip Man 18 Sup Baat San Sao closer to Robert Chus Gu Lao 40 point wing chun , the Gu Lao 22 point Wing Chun , the Pien San Gu Lao Wing chun , the Cho Ga 13 Sup Sams , the Cheung Bo 12 forms San Sik , or the San Sik that comes from Chi Sim Weng Chun ?
The Sup Baat San Sao (18 Separate Hands) are believed to be a rare and informal part of the Yip Man Wing Chun Kuen system taught by the late Yip Man to some of his early students. They are typically organized as follows (though thusfar only a small sampling has been possible):

Pien San Choi (Side Body Punch)
Pien San Tan Da (Side Body Disperse and Hit)
Pien San Jut Da (Side Body Choke and Hit)
Pien San Gaun Da (Side Body Cultivate and Hit)
Pien San Pak Da (Side Body Slap and Hit)
Tan Da Seung Chung Choi (Disperse and Hit with Double Punch)
Seung Ma Lien Wan Choi (Chasing Horse Linked Chain Punches)
Seung Ma Jing Gerk (Chasing Horse Straight Kick)
Dai Bong Saam Gwok Pak Da (Low Bong Triangle (Step) Slap and Hit)
Kwan Sao Po Pai Sao (Twining Hands Shield-Holding Hands)
Bong Sao Lop Sao Jong Jeung (Wing Arm Grasping Arm Thrusting Palm)
Gum Sao Saam Gwok Pak Da (Pinning Hand Triangle (Step) Slap and Hit)
Gwun Ma Jin Choi (Pole Horse Arrow Punch)
Seung Lop Sao Gerk (Double Grasp Hands Kick)
Gaun Sao Po Pai Sao (Cultivating Arm Shield-Holding Hands)
Gwai Ma Jin Choi (Kneeling Horse Arrow Punch)
Huen Kao Sao Saam Go Jing Jeung Dae Jeung (Circle and Detain Arm Three Straight Palms Low Palm)
Seung Ma Seung Chuen Sao Seung Chung (Chasing Horse Double Piercing Hand Double Thrust)
Mckind13
10-07-2002, 04:48 PM
The Yip Man's 18 San Sou are like Yip Man Wing Chun. They share characteristics in execution to the same techniques preformed within the Yip Man forms/art.

David
FIRE HAWK
10-08-2002, 02:33 AM
But what i dont understand is where the Yip Man Sup Baat San Sao came from the other san Sik except Yuen Kay Sans Cheung Bos San Sik we know where Gu Lao san Sik , and Cho Ga San Sik came from inother words where did Yip Man learn his 18 Sup Baat San Sao from ?
reneritchie
10-08-2002, 07:42 AM
Firehawk,

They're just some movements he used to train some early students, apparently before he decided to teach more of the linked sets. No big deal.

RR
yuanfen
10-08-2002, 07:51 AM
where did Yip Man learn his 18 Sup Baat San Sao from ?
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I think that he learned froma grandmaster in Glendale.
Hint- forms and varying postures and applications are interconnected- in a good system.