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Mojo
10-08-2001, 08:59 PM
Knifefighter
I heard a rumor that you won your most recent nhb match. Congratulations !
Would you mind taking the time to tell us about what occured in the fight ?

Buhma
10-08-2001, 10:11 PM
You know he's lying...Knifefighter never entered any fight. He's just a troll! He doesn't even have the b@lls to come to my school and fight me and my students!

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

krome
10-08-2001, 10:22 PM
Wow you you want him to fight you and your students? That sound to be a bit of an unfair fight to me.

If you can't win run, run like Hell.

Buhma
10-08-2001, 10:25 PM
What do you mean? Knifefighter is supposedly one bad mofo. He can't take on a few monkey stylists? Don't wimp out Knifefighter! I'm ready for you....somewhere in California.

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

NorthernMantis
10-08-2001, 10:30 PM
Well first of all this guy is not the real Abel.It's not the first time SifuAbel has been impersonated.Moderator I think we got a trouble maker here.

Quit making trouble and go train or something.

"Always be ready"

"right, that's it!you've insulted me, and you've insulted the shaolin temple!"-Fish of Furry

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 10:31 PM
I am and always will be the original that imposter is kungfoolz.

yawn.

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 10:33 PM
Troll. Have you taken a look at his profile? It reaks of alter ego.

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

NorthernMantis
10-08-2001, 10:40 PM
It depends which ego you meant :D

"Always be ready"

"right, that's it!you've insulted me, and you've insulted the shaolin temple!"-Fish of Furry

Buhma
10-08-2001, 10:44 PM
Duh... like no one else could figure it out....

Oh yeah, no one else is as bright or as tough as you, right Abel? I mean it takes a lot of wit to post pictures of middle fingers.

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 11:07 PM
Thats alot coming from.. oh wait thats right....we don't know who it's coming from. You are another anonymous coward hideing behind your computer. Your words don't have any wieght. You have no identity. You are a ghost, a nobody. Poof.

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 11:09 PM
so he wins in some amateur regional event.
Biiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiggg Deeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaalllll.

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

MIKSANSOO
10-08-2001, 11:13 PM
Hey Abel,

why don't you just fight him and stop being and arse! just challenge him!

"you can take my life, but not my confidence"
Jimmy H. Woo

krome
10-08-2001, 11:13 PM
Hey maybe you and knifie could have a cage match. I would pay good money to see that.

Monkey style vs. What ever style Knife fighter is.


I've always wanted to see monkey in the cage. I'm thinking with all of the lowness in the stances it would be hard to shoot on.

Use what works not what looks pretty.

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 11:14 PM
soon enough, the time will comeÏ

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

krome
10-08-2001, 11:18 PM
what you are going to fight in the cage?

Come on I gotta know if my theory about monkey style is correct.

Use what works not what looks pretty.

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 11:18 PM
so mike

how would this be named?

Abel vs. ??????l

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

krome
10-08-2001, 11:21 PM
vs. killer katoogan

Use what works not what looks pretty.

MIKSANSOO
10-08-2001, 11:25 PM
im pretty sure that if you challenge he will step forward.

"you can take my life, but not my confidence"
Jimmy H. Woo

SifuAbel
10-08-2001, 11:35 PM
What makes me chuckle is all this cloak and dagger ****t.

"if you go here and you figure who's face you can't see in that picture and if you follow the names on this page and look at every event on every MMa site in the country you may figure out who I am impersonating". What a LOAD.

Why can't he just come out with it? What is he so afraid of that he can't even post a picture of himself?

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

Knifefighter
10-09-2001, 08:15 PM
Mojo:
Many times when I am fighting, I kind of black out and don't have much of a memory of the fight specifics. In regards to your question, I haven't seen the tape yet, so I can't give you much in terms of details. I remember taking the mount and the referee jumping on me to make me release the arm bar, but I don't remember what transition I used from the mount to the arm bar.

Mojo
10-09-2001, 08:19 PM
Knifefighter
Thanks.
It's very interesting how the mind works. Sometimes you just go on autopilot and react.

Jaguar Wong
10-09-2001, 08:22 PM
So after you see the tape, can we see it too? :)
BTW which event was it? I went to the Kage Kombat site, but that's so outdated it's not even funny.

You can email me if you don't want to post it here (jaguar@superaction.com)

Jaguar Wong

Air Force One
10-09-2001, 10:47 PM
Guys I have to agree with Abel on this one. Ive read Knifes posts over and over again. If he is the big BJJ juggernaut that he claims then coming forward with his real identity would put the matter to rest. As he says himself it is easy to verify anyone with credible Gracie JiuJitsu ties here in America. Yet he continues to dance around with a "knifefighter" mask on without revealing his true I.D. and continues to make claims that noone can verify as long as hes "Knifefighter". I say he needs to come clean and tell us who he is really. I also post on an online forum where some succesful tournament fighters from the east coast post. They use their real names. That is unless he isnt who he really says he is. I dont think there is anything noble or credible about doing like Abel said -saying he is affiliated with an organization then telling people to "guess" who he is. That sure lets him off the hook doesnt it? If he claimed to be someone in particular then they mught come looking for him. Im not saying thats the case but why not just be honest. And sure you can say something like "cause i have too much fun screwing with you guys!" Thats Immature and not representative of someone with the premium of skill which he claims to possess.Oh by the way him siding with ralek on the other thread hasnt helped.

SifuAbel
10-09-2001, 11:07 PM
Well, It's not only me that thinks Knifefighter is a fraud. Anybody else? Speak up!!

Are you immortal?
sifuabel@yahoo.com

Braden
10-09-2001, 11:10 PM
Who cares who anyone here is?

Judge people on what they post if you have to judge them.

Knifefighter
10-09-2001, 11:12 PM
Ah Brett, you Again. Didn't we already debunk your credentials. You could be right. Maybe I'm just full of it and have never fought in my life. Hehehehe.

SifuAbel
10-09-2001, 11:18 PM
Uh Uh KungFoolz here again
Hi I'm knifes alter ego chiming in to add that I love to avoid conflict at all cost because I am a fraud and when the truth does come out I will have leave forever.

"We" are the same person.

Mr. Nemo
10-09-2001, 11:37 PM
Christ. Knifefighter is not a fraud.

SifuAbel
10-09-2001, 11:39 PM
Nemo, have we met before?

Buhma
10-09-2001, 11:40 PM
Well you've changed my mind Knifefighter. I wholly worship you now. I now know that I've wasted my life in my style...besides when do I ever get a chance to practice? I'M online all the time.


Yes I admit to wanking off to pictures of the Gracies as well as the Shamrocks. You can't blame me for my anger though... I know they aren't ****sexuals and would never want to be with a guy like me. So I just get hurt then angry and speak out against MMAs in general and you in particular... I'm just a sorry little limp-wrist who will never find the love of a true warrior.... booooohooooohoooooo

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

Knifefighter
10-09-2001, 11:42 PM
No... but Knife fighter is.

Mr. Nemo
10-09-2001, 11:42 PM
"Nemo, have we met before?"

We met in monterey park. Count was there. We didn't talk much. I have short brown hair and glasses.

Mr. Nemo
10-09-2001, 11:43 PM
Aw, ****, I fell for that "Knife fighter" thing. Crap.

SifuAbel
10-09-2001, 11:44 PM
LOL!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Jaguar Wong
10-09-2001, 11:44 PM
I don't know about everyone else here, but after this amazing display of debating genius, does anyone else here feel 10x more mature than when they woke up this morning?

I'm awe struck by the impersonating wizardry going on here. I can't keep track of who's who by their handles anymore. I had to resort to looking at the number of posts (which is a dead giveaway), to reinforce my sanity.

Jaguar Wong

Air Force One
10-10-2001, 08:16 AM
So now I guess you can debunk someones credentials without even knowing what they are? As far as I know I have never made any claims as to anything. Youve just blown your wad knife. When someone challenges you on this board is this the kind of whimpy **** that you resort to? ou must have really failed debate class huh? Your a total ***g0t and I wish I were more near to you and had the tim ecause Id come down to CA and kick your ass myself - but you probably wouldnt show up and I guess it would be hard to look you up seeings how "knifefighter" isnt listed in the phone book. You are such a fake.

SifuAbel
10-10-2001, 09:46 AM
Tell me about it..........

I actually took a little time and went to the kage kombat site only to find that it hasn't been updated in two years. How the heck is someone supposed to "figure" anything out. What a crock. Nemo, you said you didn't talk much, did he actually say I'm knifefighter from kfo or did you just assume it.

What a LOAD!!!

Which event did you win? The bull****t throwing contest?

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

SifuAbel
10-10-2001, 10:01 AM
Jaguar,

Don't be stingey now, which event did our buddy KF win? Come on, share with us. Once I see his mighty picture I'll cower in a corner never to be heard from again. NOT.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Jaguar Wong
10-10-2001, 06:16 PM
I don't know. I haven't checked my email yet. I'm too busy at work right now (I see 12 hour days in my future :(). I guess I could run home and check it during my lunch break, but I'm not sure if I have the time yet.

Jaguar Wong

Knifefighter
10-10-2001, 08:22 PM
Abel:
You're a sad little man. I have to chuckle wondering how much time you have wasted over the last year trying to figure out who I am. Wouldn't it be really funny if you had spent all that time and energy trying to figure it out and I was just some troll who has never trained a day in his life?

Mojo
10-10-2001, 08:53 PM
If Able was a man then he would have accepted your challenge to a match a long time ago.

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

He's just a coward posing as an instructor. I've lost all respect for her.

Buhma
10-10-2001, 09:40 PM
Hey Disabeled and Knifewanker, I'd fight both of you at the same time.

Yeah yeah...we will see who will step up... and get shot down! muhahahahahahhahahahaha

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

SifuAbel
10-10-2001, 11:33 PM
BTW, I wouldn't accuse others of being online too much, you're not exactlty a casual user. Between the one name and the dozen or so others you use.

As far as meeting you on a dark corner somewhere....
I due time, buddy. In due time.

Kungfoolz that last one made no sense.

"mojo", how many alters do yo need??

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Knifefighter
10-10-2001, 11:49 PM
Not accusing anyone else of spending "too much" time online. Gawd knows I'm as or more guilty of goofing off here too much as anyone else. However, unlike you, I don't take any of this very seriously. It's just entertainment and diversion. I do think it is fuuny how obsessed you seem to be with finding out who I am.

Obviously both of us thinks the other is a no-ability blow hard and if you want to meet up and do a MMA match or a no-rules challenge match to test that premise, that's great. While I take my training and competing seriously and like to test myself, I'm a pretty good sport overall. The worst that might come from a match like that will be that one of us might spend the night in the hospital.

As far as the "dark street corner" thing, I don't f u ck around there and things get a lot more serious than spending the night in the hospital (here's a hint- so far it hasn't been me)... think about it

SifuAbel
10-10-2001, 11:51 PM
me either, you think about it.Ç

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Knifefighter
10-11-2001, 12:50 AM
I have thought about it- a lot. Challenge fighting, cage fights, or macho displays of superiority over some drunk jerk is one thing. Real street fighting is nasty sheot to be avoided whenever possible. A real fight is life-threatening, anything goes, and sometimes someone dies. You can find yourself facing the prospect of spending time incarcerated. That’s just the start. There are lawsuits and a bankload of money spent on attorneys. Then there’s the impact it has on your job from all the negative publicity. Not to mention the time you have to spend away from work while you are meeting with attorneys and spending time in court. It can goe on for years. Not something I recommend for anyone..

Mojo
10-11-2001, 12:57 AM
Able
I'm just 'Mojo'. I've never goofed on anyone under another name.

So there !! ;)

SifuAbel
10-11-2001, 01:41 AM
waasa matter man, I'm just troll, right? Someone who could never be a threat to you, right? What are you worried about? As far as your concerned I'll never darken your door, if I could ever find it that is.


mojo or should I say nojo,

No profile = no face, no name, nobody

Bottom line, if you're willing to put up opinions about MA you should at least state what you do and for how long. Back up your words with something more than "take my word for it".

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Kung Lek
10-11-2001, 02:15 AM
Hey guys, don't feel bad, someone took my screen name and turned it into a porno dot com.

yeesh, I almost put a disclaimer in my home page stating I had nothing to do with that site... but then I thought I would be wasting as much time as the guy who thought I would buy the domain name.

hahahahaha, some people are just plain....well, plain.

peace

Kung Lek

Martial Arts Links (http://members.home.net/kunglek)

Mojo
10-11-2001, 05:45 PM
SifuGayble
Just for you. I've had....
4 years of high school wrestling.
5 years if Hsing-I Chuan, Shen Lung Tang Shou Tao school.

FYI, I tried to include it in the profile but I keep screwing it up for some reason :(

Arioch7
10-11-2001, 10:32 PM
Wow, now HERE is a surprising topic! :D

Since this is a Knifefighter thread, I figured I would add this point to our debate from a few days ago, when you said that breaking someones neck is almost impossible.

I used to wrestle a lot in High School and I sprained my neck several times. The neck does not have a great range of motion, and is not particularly resistant.

I am surprised you find this almost impossible.

Also, you implied that you ALSO trained with SPECOPS people. I did not train with them perse but have had many conversations with Marines and SEALS. I bunked with Marines for six weeks.

I dont really care who you are, but besides from being a specialist on all the stuff in your profile as well as a host of other things, you ALSO train with SPECOPS!?!?! Who are you, Superman?

I only added that last dig because AMAZINGLY enough you said I had been watching too many movies. I think it is the other way around.

I would be happy to share any of my military experiences with you and when I get my scanner, I would be happy to even POST THEM HERE, along with what I actually look like.

Thats all.

Knifefighter
10-11-2001, 11:31 PM
Arioch:

I trained for a number of years at two of the most well known MA schools in the country, Dan Inosanto’s and the Gracies’ You would not believe the number of different kinds of people I met and trained with at these two academies over the years.

Both of these schools have offered training to various military and law enforcement groups and had many military/special ops guys coming through there to train. During my tenure at these academies, I had quite a few opportunities to train and talk with them. They are tough bastids, but the guys I trained with were the first to admit that breaking necks for real was probably pretty hard to do unless your opponent was asleep or unconscious. As a matter of fact, their preferred method of empty-handed kill was to choke the enemy out and then crush his trachea once he was unconscious.

As far as being "almost impossible" to break someone’s neck, nice try Arioch. I never said that. These are the phrases I used- "… they are **** hard to make happen on purpose"; "… it's much, much harder than eye gouging"; "I've seen quite a few people try, but so far haven't seen anyone able to do it"; "…it is one of those techs that works better in theory than in reality."

I also come from a wrestling background. As a wrestler, I am sure you are familiar with the Salto, suplex, suplee and other high amplitude throws that land you on your neck. I have seen a number of people slammed on their heads and necks from these types of throws and only saw one neck that was broken. A sprained neck is a lot different from actually fracturing the vertebrae, which is also different than fracturing the vertebrae in a manner that causes death to occur.

Can a neck be broken? Of course. Is it something you can just go in and do with some fancy technique? I doubt it. Especially against a trained, conditioned fighter.

[This message was edited by Knifefighter on 10-12-01 at 02:47 PM.]

Arioch7
10-12-2001, 01:39 AM
Nice try... you like that, eh? :D

Well, that answer was good enough for me. Since I dont know anything about the systems you mentioned, I will take your word for it.

I realize you can not do a fancy move and snap someones neck. To paraphrase my sister(Who is a martial artist... or rather WAS.);

"It depends on who the attacker is and who the defender is. It also depends upon the situation and the time this technique is applied."

I would NEVER try to break someones neck in a life or death situation. However, if it was a life or death situation and the guy was pummelled and I just happened to have him in the position to do this, then I think it is feasible.

I have seen my Sifu take down people by locking thier knee, while sparring. I know this sounds absurd, but I have seen it and if you remember most of what I post, I do not subscribe to any type of stunts or bull****.

I think what we are quibbling about is a difference of perspective. I am NOT saying you can go up to someone and just grab his head from the front and "SNAP!". Also, you did not say that it was "impossible" that was just the feeling I got from your post.

I think we are on the same page on this one. Sometimes I just love to argue. :D

If you dont mind me asking, what type of business do you own? I dont need the name, I am just curious about the general nature of the business. I own an Art Gallery myself(It is NOWHERE near as snobby as it sounds. :)).

My debating quota with you is satisfied now, and your post was very good. I appreciate you taking the time to let me know a more in-depth view to your previous posts.

Kung Lek
10-12-2001, 01:44 AM
So, you haven't heard of "Wind blows monks robe around tree" then.

peace

Kung Lek

Martial Arts Links (http://members.home.net/kunglek)

Arioch7
10-12-2001, 01:51 AM
No, I am not that skilled in CMA's. Are you joking? If not, could you explain this to me?

Nutt'nhunny
10-12-2001, 11:20 PM
Truth be told I haven't actually read a knifighter post fully. Because I think he's a blowhard and I know fighters, how they think, what constant hard work and sore muscles can do to humble you. He doesn't fit the bill.


He's not smart and not centered. I beleive that abel would be interesting to fight because he's funny and that shows mental sponteneity, something essential for a fighter, even if you only have 10 techniques like knifefighter.

Giddiness is common among kung fu fighters. Its a combo of meditation/taoism and getting punch drunk and exhausted. That combined with your quick rections makes for a funny delerium super happy fun time. Knifefighter in my book is a combo of a guy who plays lots of D&D and jacks off to middle age women in porno. And the kinda fat white guy that tells people that his home-made leather jacket is made out of a lion that he killed while on safari.

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 01:24 AM
:D

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Jockwurst
10-13-2001, 07:05 AM
AH HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HA HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAH!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Now that was funny! You rock dude!

jjj
10-13-2001, 01:58 PM
Knifefighter has invited those who question his credentals and ability to attend the gathering and fight him to see for themselves, yet no one has taken him up on it (ahem SifuBabel). So if you realy want to know then go, and take a camera so we can see some REAL kung fu in action! And try to use that neck break to see if it works on someone who isn't cooperating LOL. :rolleyes:

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

Jockwurst
10-13-2001, 06:04 PM
You cant fool us with this one. Your alter ego is such a faceless moron and why do you only show up when people are hashing knifefighter? I mean come on people wake up! I challenge you to look back at this JiuJitsu Jedi's posts and when does he ever post anything like " I have a question about ground work?" Or "Could you kung fu guys fill me in on something?" No he only shows up when his "buddy" knifefighter is on the rocks. Thats because he is knifefighter. Oh and Im not just assuming here either. In fact jiu jistsu jedi and jjj have been suspect alter egos of his for a long time among those of us who know knifefighter is a complete kornholer. So knife take all your surplus I.d.'s and sove em up your a$$. Face it your credibility is gone and this f###$#$$ up institution that youve built up around your makebilieve "knifefighter" concept is as bogus as you are. Knife's Achilles heel is the fact that "Knifighter" means something to HIM. And thats why he spends so much time here in the fairytale land of the KFO forum where we can all be "masters" regardless of our own worthless, insignificant place in the real world.

STUDD WILSON
10-13-2001, 07:08 PM
Good call on JiuJistu Jedi. I kinda always figured he was knifefukker in disguise. And your right if you look back at all his posts they are mostly in support of the knife guy. It seemed to me that when knifefukker and me were goin at that once that all the ohter posts rolling in in his defense were justs different manifestations of the personality of one poster. Oh by the way your list and Bretts did add up I hope he emails you soon. Have you heard from the B-man yet. I have been waiting a week for him to respond but nothin yet. He did say that his email was on the blink.
SSTUDDDDDDDDDDD

jjj
10-13-2001, 08:03 PM
Oh darn you found me out. Yeah I really am Knifefighter.

>>I challenge you to look back at this JiuJitsu Jedi's posts and when does he ever post anything like " I have a question about ground work?" <<

:confused:

Why would I come here to ask about groundwork? LOL

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

Mr. Nemo
10-13-2001, 08:42 PM
Studd Wilson, nuttnhoney, and jockwurst are obviously sifuabel in disguise, because they take his side in arguments.

Grappling-Insanity
10-13-2001, 08:47 PM
Its very easy to tell that they are SifuAbel in disguise because they all defend him. Also they make similiar comments on Knife.

Mr. Nemo
10-13-2001, 09:01 PM
Grappling-Insanity is obviously knifefighter.

Watchman
10-13-2001, 09:17 PM
Mr. Nemo is obviously Watchman. Er, wait a minute.

Mr. Nemo
10-13-2001, 09:36 PM
Watchman is obviously sifuabel.

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 10:24 PM
My turn, my turn

Mr. Nemo is really none other than Paul Rubens.
BTW, you never answered my question, when you met him did he actually say "Hi I'm knifefighter?". What did he look like?

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 10:42 PM
You know, I never realized that before but it is true; some people here only show up when he gets attacked. hmmmmmmmmm Makes you think.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 10:52 PM
The actual man or the perception that has been built around him?

I think the perception is far bigger.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

jjj
10-13-2001, 11:08 PM
I would just like to see one of the people who talk smack about Knifefighter and/or mma go spar or fight him thats all. He has offered on more than one occasion. Hell, he isn't that far from you is he Abel? If you are for real and want to find out what he is about then go, you might learn something.

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"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

Mr. Nemo
10-13-2001, 11:10 PM
Sifuabel: I'm not answering any of your questions since you are obviously just watchman in disguise.

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 11:14 PM
Watchman is only me on the 7th, 12th, and 23rd of each month.

Still, why not just say?

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

jjj
10-13-2001, 11:16 PM
>>The actual man or the perception that has been built around him?
I think the perception is far bigger.<<

I tend to give Dog Brothers with BJJ purple belts and NHB/MMA experience some respect, but thats just me. Anyhow I have rolled with enough purple belts to know they typically kick ass, obviously you have not, another reason you should go.

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"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 11:16 PM
Isn't that far from me.......
Thats a two way street.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

jjj
10-13-2001, 11:22 PM
Why don't you go to the gathering? You think if Knifefighter starts losing that everyone would jump in and beat you? LOL

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 11:32 PM
"obviously you have not"

And how do you know this?

If the man is bigger then why all the Hush-Hush? Wouldn't it be more impressive to just say "hey I'm so and so , don't mess with me" ? Instead we get "oh look on this site and compare to that site and..." WHATEVER. I haven't done much of any of that. Heck!, I don't follow the latest scores as religiously as some here. I couldn't tell you the roster names of every minor event like some of you. Then I'm told "go to the dog brothers site you'll see his bio". Went there one time, bio's were totally incomplete; only one guy fit the profile to Knifes claims. He denied being that person. The more he hides his identity the more I doubt he is who he claims to be. Do you know him?

WOULD SOMBODY STOP BEING HIS LACKEY BIOTCH AND JUST SAY WHO HE IS! Of course that won't happen because most are afraid of the image or what you perceive to be him. Or at the very least he can come out and say "Hey!, I won this big tourney here's the event site" But no, if mojo didn't blurt it out noone would no this either. Would one of you at least say " here abel, go here and stop pestering us" That won't happen either. Why? Because the man is SMALLER than the image.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 11:39 PM
hey FOOL, i'm in NORTHERN California .

It's not like I can just "show up".

Geez what a retard.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

jjj
10-13-2001, 11:41 PM
I don't know too many people who want their personal info spread across the internet, you should know how it feels right? Anyhow, if you are for real, send him an email and arrange a neutral place to meet if you feel threatened for some strange reason about going to the gathering. Then come back online and tell us what happened ok? LOL

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

SifuAbel
10-13-2001, 11:46 PM
Hey jiujitsu XYZ, your knifefighter is showing. I'll concider it if he emails me his name and where I can check out his event. Otherwise, It all bluff and stuff. I wouldn't be as CHEAP as you were about the personal info.

Silumkid
10-13-2001, 11:53 PM
Well, here's an idea. If you guys do decide to set up a neutral meeting ground, I'd be willing to volunteer my time as a neutral observer as I am in Northern CA too. Knifefighter can have his own neutral observer as well. Sounds fair to me.

But now it just sounds like I'm trying to stip up trouble. Oh well...

We are trained in wushu; we must protect the Temple!

jjj
10-13-2001, 11:53 PM
More excuses. Oh well, I am not surprised, and I am sure most people on this board aren't either.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

Mr. Nemo
10-14-2001, 12:00 AM
I wouldn't hand out my personal info to a guy whose behavior on the internet is borderline obsessive.

SifuAbel
10-14-2001, 12:08 AM
Excuse me, Am I stuttering or something? I said I'd concider it. Don't be playin that excuse Bull****t on me. Give me a name.

Nemo, you can be his *****h if you want.

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Stranger
10-14-2001, 12:19 AM
Is Knifefighter real?

Count has met him.

Count is real.

Count is not involved in BJJ, NHB, or the Dog Brothers.

Count is not a troll.

I believe Count. :cool:

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

GinSueDog
10-14-2001, 03:45 AM
JiuJitsuJedi,
Correction, Knifefighter is a brown belt now under Caique. You've been gone for some time.

When are you going to put your site back up?-ED

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

jjj
10-14-2001, 03:55 AM
Hey Ginsue,

I been working so much and havent had time, soon hopefully. You still training with Brennan? I did not know KF was a brown, congrads dude thats big news! Caique is one of the best instructors that's for **** sure.

(For anyone who is wondering, I am also GinSueDog.)
;)

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

GinSueDog
10-14-2001, 04:04 AM
JiuJitsuJedi,
Yeah I am still at Brennan's. Just broke up with my girlfriend this weekend so I suddenly have more time to train.-ED

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

Watchman
10-14-2001, 04:11 AM
Sorry to hear about the break-up, GSD. :(

BTW, did you ever find out if Chris was going to be fighting Serra, or was that another one of those UG hypothetical threads?

Oh, and LOL @ Knifefighter's "suspect alias" not knowing what belt level he was. ;) :rolleyes:

GinSueDog
10-14-2001, 05:33 AM
Watchman,
I never got around to asking him, I do know that he is suppose to be fighting at Pride. He was told by Pride a few months ago that if he fought in the UFC that the Pride deal would be off so doubt he will be fighting Serra anytime soon.

I am having a hard time trying to getting her out of my head. I think if I focus on work and training I should survive this whole thing.-ED

"Ninjas are not dangerous. They are more afraid of you than you are of them." --The Tick

prana
10-14-2001, 06:18 AM
You are him are me and he is you and he is her but her is she so he is she and who is what, and of course, she is you and I is them.

The true warrior should quit the fight with words, and surrender this hatred to dissolving bad qi and manifesting good qi.

Some candles burn big, some candles burn small, some smell bad and some are nicely scented, but blow out the flames, they are after all, just wax.

http://dharmatours.com/hbmc/Prwhbl1.gif

Stranger
10-14-2001, 06:26 AM
I am the walrus. :cool:

I don't get mad.
I get stabby.

SifuAbel
10-14-2001, 09:12 AM
coo coo qui choo

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

STUDD WILSON
10-14-2001, 05:08 PM
Ive never met Sifuabel. Hell Ive never recieved an email from him. And Im not siding with him in particular. I just happen to agree with him on the knifefukker business. The only one to blame here is knifefukker himself. Hes the one whose built this collossal image up around himself. What totally blows my mind(being a former student of Gracie JiuJitsu myself) is that if he is as "bad" as he lets on then why does he feel the need to justify his "baddness" to everyone on this site. And as far as Im concerned that jiujitsuknifefukkerjedi ***g0t is just his dirty, spoiled rotten, punk ass **** personality coming through another tag. Its like Jockwurst said - too obvious. And I DID go back into the archives and look and yes, all of his posts have come about when knifefukker was on ice. I have to agree with Jockwurst that Knife is here because he needs someone to tell him hes good and look up to him. Just like the porn addict - if he was getting it in the real world then why would he be wasting so much time here? Honestly I dont like knifefighter because of the attitude I got from him when we tangled long time ago in that post I forgot the name of. If he was truly a student of GJJ, and I know from experience, you lose the attitude real quick on the mat. His attitude IS representative of the wanna bees that hang around and watch GJJ but are too proud or cant come up with the cash to join up. Instead they order a few vids and then strut around in front of their friends like like they own the mat. All of the boastings that Ive heard knife claim about GJJ NHB etc. is knowledge that is easily accessible from most sets of videos. Lets face it knife doesnt really have an "image" per se hes just got an attitude and sure some people are going to look up to anyone like that. But running your mouth and being able to produce are too different things, sadly lots of people online cant distinguish between the two.

Jaguar Wong
10-14-2001, 05:41 PM
"Which is bigger?
The actual man or the perception that has been built around him?
I think the perception is far bigger."
- SifuAbel


The perception of the man is usually the greater of the two. The most important thing, though is how close to the perception the man's abilities are. It seems that the further removed the man is, the greater the perception of him is (like some of Kung Fu's great masters in our case, and like the Gracies in most of the troll's cases). It's all just words until you meet and see for yourself, so I really think people are spending a lot of time trying to break down the perceptions of others while building their own up (or reinforcing their own).

From personal experience, I've disappointed a few of the student's at the school I train at when they hear about how great "the twins" are (I don't know how that whole thing started, but we were two of our Sifu's first students here in Vegas). But when they meet and spar with me, they tend to be stunned and apologetic when they land some good shots in my face/neck region, and they find out that I'm just as normal as they are. Of course the guys that I've trained side by side with always knew the truth, but they still respect me :)

BTW JiuJitsuJedi, that pic in your profile is the greatest (Look at your fingers! Dey Orange! :)). and Chess is a game for Pompous wannabes, Go is a game for warriors! (Ap Owyen should recognize that quote from a Billy Blanks movie :p)

One more thing.......

I am also Tigerstyle :p (or at least I look like him)

Jaguar Wong

Buhma
10-14-2001, 05:54 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>But running your mouth and being able to produce are too different things, sadly lots of people online cant distinguish between the two. [/quote]

You're a prime example of that.

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

David
10-14-2001, 05:56 PM
There was a thread back when kf joined where he was more-or-less identified. The Dog Brothers came up in a thread and somebody who'd been in the audience had posted "hey I liked the guy with the reverse knife-grip" and knifefighter replied "yeah that was me".

The powers of Kung Fu never fail!
-- Hong Kong Phooey

Knifefighter
10-14-2001, 09:30 PM
UnAbelJockStrap:
You are too funny. It is pretty hilarious watching you and your various alter egos try your various methods to try to find out who I am. The only person who has built up a giant bad-a$$ persona about me is you. I’ve never said I am an unbeatable bad a$$. My only claim to fame is that I have done this stuff a long time. I’ve won some and lost some over the years. Like I’ve said many times before, I just train, compete and try to keep getting better. I have opinions based on my experiences and my profession. If these opinions offend you, why don't you just ignore me as I have done with some of your more stupid advice to people? Why the heck do you care who I am anyway?

Buhma
10-14-2001, 09:38 PM
because he's a poor little geek that got beat up in high school.
Online, these geeks can be as tough as they want. As cool as they want or pretty as they want. Just look at all the fat chicks getting dates online (heh heh)
Disabled is really like those fat chicks. In real life he's a nobody and hasn't done anything. No wonder he tries so hard to be cool on this ****ant board. You really are disabled...you're mentally deficient... maybe your deficient in other ways too.... what's the matter Abel? Too many girls laughed when you dropped your pants? Why are you trying so hard to be tough online?

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

SifuAbel
10-15-2001, 12:02 PM
It's not exactly my life's work.(extreme sarcasm) I just give you what you dish out. To put it bluntly, you're an A$. You treat people with no repect, at least online. You play this "I'm just a regular guy" ****t then turn around and threaten people when you don't like their response. It appears that there are more than a few people here that think you're an A$ and a bully, so it's not just me. I've seen it time and time again,like clockwork. Why do I want to know who you are? Again, a page out of the old KnFi playbook. I want to see something tangible, not some hearsay from third parties. Show me something. What are you afraid of? "I don't claim......" Dude, what don't you claim? You make more claims than a gold rush 49er. Give it..up.... I'm no one to say(because I'm somewhat guity myself, look at this post for example), but most of your "gems" of advice are carefully filed between reams of waste which include the belittling of things you don't understand and the harrasing of people with different views. At every opportunity you like to enforce your "superiority" with threats. Typical, I bet theres one comeing right now. If anyone is on a crusade here its you, buddy. I've never seen someone work so hard to totally trash CMA. If anyone denies this, I think they should take the blinders off and take a walk down archive lane.

KungFoolz, er MDA(hee hee that's cute, he one of jerry's kids)

You're funny,keep it up!! As far as CHEAP imitations go, you are the CHEAPEST. Every place needs a village idiot, I think you qualify

Are you immortal?

sifuabel@yahoo.
com

Jockwurst
10-15-2001, 02:19 PM
I dont give a F### who you are. We all know who you are. knifefighter = TROLL. Should I say it again? TROLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL LLLLLL!
There maybe some people on around here are deaf. Your the biggest d!ckgreaser on this forum. I'm not going to reiterate what everyone else has already said because it has been said well enough. I would'nt flatter myself if I were you in thinking that we're all just dying to know who you really are. Were not. We dont care. You have a choice - either come forth with some tangible proof that you are this so called "grappling god" that you purport to be, or go F### yourself and be content taking your place beside ralek and others in the KFO TROLL hall of fame. My last words on this. I'm sick of arguing with minors.

toddbringewatt
10-15-2001, 02:41 PM
Fight, fight, fight, fight, fight!

"Bruce Leroy. That's who!"

STUDD WILSON
10-15-2001, 02:42 PM
I hate you! Not! Oh well This thread has run its course anyway. I emailed you check your box - attatchment.

Goldenmane
10-15-2001, 04:12 PM
JJJ ain't KF. Any of the guys who have been around here for a couple of years know JJJ from back when he came looking to troll and ended up, after much debate, admitting that he had gained a new respect for certain aspects of the CMA's.

He was, in fact, probably the best troll this board has seen. Certainly in the last few years. Those who really think he and KF are the same guy based on the limited amount in the archives (which have been moved, replaced, edited and lost several times) are mistaken.

JWT and several others know JJJ from back then. Ask them.

-geoff

-A hundred enemies, a hundred cups of wine. Infinite enemies, infinite wine.-

Mr. Nemo
10-15-2001, 04:21 PM
This thread is fu(king lame.

Jockwurst
10-15-2001, 07:24 PM
Ok Goldenname, you say jiu jitsu jedi is not an alter ego. I can truck with that. That is if you can just please tell me why he ONLY posts when knifeghter gets in an arguement with someone else? I just find it hard to believe that this individual sits by the monitor every day pouring over the endless posts waiting for that one spectacular moment when he can come to the aid of his noble friend and not give any hint to the forum members that he has any semblance of a personality. There are other members of the forum that have pronounced opinions about their views. But I have yet to see a cabal of THE SAME individuals coming to their aid when they get in a heated disscussion. But everytime ol knife's balls are on the cutting table THE SAME people crawl out from under the slime and mire to post their slurs, insults, accusations, and trumped up propaganda only to dissapear again until another situation warrants. It just smells rotten to me.

Buhma
10-15-2001, 07:39 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> THE SAME people crawl out from under the slime and mire to post their slurs, insults, accusations, and trumped up propaganda only to dissapear again until another situation warrants. [/quote]

Jockwurst,who was insulting to you? You've done a great job showing yourself as an ass.


Hey Maybel, it's pretty funny to see a person like you actually made it through high school. We all know your Klebold-like rants and your Unibomber-like obsession with knifefighter is a danger to society. I wonder how long it would be before you snap and shoot up a school, rape a woman or jack off to a Richard Simmons video... **** you need to be locked up... for once do our society a favor and please take yourself out of the gene pool.

I actually wouldn't put it past you to plant some anthrax near knifefighter...

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

Knifefighter
10-15-2001, 08:38 PM
Sheesh... You need to get a life.

STUDD WILSON
10-15-2001, 08:49 PM
Oh did I hurt your feelings jack0ff?

KC Elbows
10-15-2001, 08:50 PM
Okay, I've been watching this thread grow and grow, yet I've mostly resisted the temptation to actually look at it. Now, to those who are holding this multiple personality argument, what's your point? You're wasting 7 pages worth of posts to argue a silly point. If they are all the same person, that one person is making you look very foolish with this. If you don't like KF, don't go to threads congratulating him. That's just sour grapes, whatever the circumstances of his identities.

This is a really annoying and pointless argument, and has nothing whatsoever to do with kung fu or martial arts, and its not by default knifefighter's fault that y'all are arguing over such a silly issue. 109 posts, and maybe 10 worth reading on this thread. Give it up. :rolleyes:

STUDD WILSON
10-15-2001, 08:51 PM
So just what do YOU owe knifefukker anyway?

Nudge nuge...wink wink......

KC Elbows
10-15-2001, 09:04 PM
OK, this is just stupid. Now's a good time for someone to put an end to this waste of space thread(nudge nudge wink wink).

No offence, KF, it just seems like there's a lot of stupidity going on on this thread. Some people do need to get a life.

MIKSANSOO
10-15-2001, 09:30 PM
this thread is retarded.

"you can take my life, but not my confidence"
Jimmy H. Woo

Buhma
10-15-2001, 09:37 PM
I don't owe Knifefighter anything... is that your inept attempt at an insult? **** at least SifuAbel is more talented with the insults.... all you can do is say "f*ck you" and "you're gay"....how original.

As a matter of fact, I just like to argue with Abel and his Kung fu wannabes. In other threads I argue with BJJ and their humping techniques...

Studd wilson.... got an ego problem? Need STUD in your name to feel tough? hehehhee what a loser!

And yeah this thread is idiotic... but it sure is fun.

<hr>
If ya ain't got the skills, I will take you out!

Knifefighter
10-15-2001, 10:05 PM
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JUST SAY WHO HE IS! Of course that won't happen because most are afraid of the image or what you perceive to be him. ================================================== =============
Actually, nobody that I know from the forum is afraid of me. Have you ever thought that there might be others here besides me that likes to mess with you? Or that thinks you are out of line with your whole obsession?

================================================== =============
Because the man is SMALLER than the image.
================================================== =============
That's probably true.

================================================== =============
You make more claims than a gold rush 49er. ================================================== =============
I've never made a statement that wasn't true.

================================================== =============
At every opportunity you like to enforce your "superiority" with threats.
================================================== =============
Maybe you can make use of your "hobby" and dig up some threads where I threatened people.

================================================== =============
Show me something. ================================================== =============
There have been many examples all around you. You just weren't smart enough to recognize them. Many others have seen them.

================================================== =============
you are this so called "grappling god" that you purport to be
================================================== =============

I don't think I ever made that claim. I have 6 or 7 years of folkstyle/freestyle wrestling and am a brown belt in BJJ. Does that make me a grappling god? Maybe in your eyes.

MIKSANSOO
10-15-2001, 10:10 PM
this is funny! this will never end! :D

"you can take my life, but not my confidence"
Jimmy H. Woo

jjj
10-15-2001, 10:41 PM
>>Ok Goldenname, you say jiu jitsu jedi is not an alter ego. I can truck with that. That is if you can just please tell me why he ONLY posts when knifeghter gets in an arguement with someone else? I just find it hard to believe that this individual sits by the monitor every day pouring over the endless posts waiting for that one spectacular moment when he can come to the aid of his noble friend and not give any hint to the forum members that he has any semblance of a personality. There are other members of the forum that have pronounced opinions about their views. But I have yet to see a cabal of THE SAME individuals coming to their aid when they get in a heated disscussion. But everytime ol knife's balls are on the cutting table THE SAME people crawl out from under the slime and mire to post their slurs, insults, accusations, and trumped up propaganda only to dissapear again until another situation warrants. It just smells rotten to me. <<

I just do it to annoy losers like you and sifuanal. :D

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~
"It's not really NHB because they won't let me bring a platoon of Navy SEAL's with Blackhawk fire support into the ring!"
-Watchman

Jockwurst
10-15-2001, 10:53 PM
Its knifefighter on top of me!(jiujitsu jedi)

Air Force One
10-15-2001, 11:03 PM
No offense to you Kc I havent ever seen a questionable thread from you. And it is understandable why you would want this thread locked down. But I havent ever noticed you pleading with anyone when Knifetroller has been on one of his tyraids hammering another poster. I say let it go. And as far as not looking at a Knifetroller thread well I think he has barged on enough peoples threads to make that a rather moot point. You post something like - I think deep stance training might help my groundwork and he will make it a personal thing to try to discredit you somehow. He jumped my case when I agreed with a poster earlier in this thread by calling in question my "credentials" and saying that he had dubunked them. What credentials? I didnt know I had any. Ive just accepted him as a big fat troll. Enough said.

Air Force One
10-15-2001, 11:04 PM
Brett

Watchman
10-15-2001, 11:09 PM
I have managed to have a few productive conversations with KF, and he has also given me some advice in past threads that has gone a long way in improving some aspects of my training.

Is he opinionated?

Sure...like none of the rest of you are. :rolleyes:

KC Elbows
10-15-2001, 11:14 PM
I'm with you there Watchman. Now someone kill this stupid thread.

Watchman
10-15-2001, 11:16 PM
...they may catch on that - er, I mean start thinking that we're the same person.

Daredevil
10-15-2001, 11:16 PM
This will go on forever.

Hunting for alter-egos is just stupid. I usually don't engage in that myself (except if I'm hunting down Rolls - he's more fun than a basket of goodies), because getting actually proof is pretty hard. Only gonna get me a headache.

So, I usually basically ignore the poster and look at the content. Judge the content, not the man, since this is a internet forum and not a place where we can verify each other in actual testing.

Of course, there's some folks who we grow to trust (to some degree anyway) and those folks are valuable to the community. Of course, some folks will never get along, no matter what.

Anyway, this thread has turned into something that is trying to be personal, but being personal here is nearly impossible with the possible alter egos and the general anonymity going on.

So, and this is only my opinion and of course in now way should you heed it if you don't like it (duh), Knifefighter and Sifu Able, do yourselves a favor and lay off the subject, until you can arrange a meeting in real life. I also hope you can get to do that one day. Otherwise this'll never end. You're both doing yourselves a disfavor by throwing mud and appearing as bullies.

Anyway, please don't consider this an attack on either of you, I still respect the stuff you post (even the mudslinging is fun, in small amounts (grin)), just offering an opinion from a guy who isn't involved, who isn't either one's alter ego (I'm waiting for the "who's Daredevil really?"-threads) and so on.

Later guys.

Watchman
10-15-2001, 11:18 PM
Daredevil is obviously Mr. Nemo.

KC Elbows
10-15-2001, 11:20 PM
****, I did it again!

KC Elbows
10-15-2001, 11:21 PM
I tell you, I'm right about Daredevi.....oh crap, wrong identity! Hold on.

Mr. Nemo
10-15-2001, 11:49 PM
"Daredevil is obviously Mr. Nemo."

Watchman (who is obviously sifuabel, as was established earlier in the thread) is incorrect. Daredevil is obviously knifefighter.

I believe it was established on another thread that KC Elbows is obviously watchman, and since watchman is obviously sifuabel, by transitive property we can conclude that KC Elbows is obviously sifuabel.

Every day, it becomes more and more clear to me that there are really only three people that post on this board - myself, knifefighter, and sifuabel. Everyone else is one of knifefigher's or sifuabel's aliases.

KC Elbows
10-16-2001, 12:06 AM
KC Elbows is off sick today, so his turn to be Watchman is being filled by someone else, which means either Mr. Nemo or Sifu Abel, which leaves the other to be KC Elbows, but I just wish people would stop cleaning my shotgun!

rogue
10-16-2001, 03:35 AM
This is one mighty fine thread!!! :D

http://www.interesting.com/stories/gadsden/images/museumshop.jpg

"Americans don't have the courage to come here," Mullah Mohammed Omar, leader of the Taliban who right about now is getting jiggy with his first of 70 virgins.

“Are you guys ready? Let’s roll.” Last words of Todd Beamer heard over his mobile line right before rushing a hijacker.

Daredevil
10-16-2001, 03:50 AM
"Every day, it becomes more and more clear to me that there are really only three people that post on this board - myself, knifefighter, and sifuabel. Everyone else is one of knifefigher's or sifuabel's aliases."

If everybody is these three people, then who am I? I am but a figment of imagination in Knifefighter's mind? Are there no absolutes?

Aaaaaaaaaaaaaaargh.

Must call the local Scientology center ... must quiet voices in head.

Where is my medication? Or is that Watchman's medication?

Oh lord.

prana
10-16-2001, 10:26 AM
So what you all eat for breakfast today ? Did you guys forget that we are all looking for happiness somehwere somehow ?

http://dharmatours.com/hbmc/Prwhbl1.gif

Stumblefist
10-16-2001, 12:02 PM
OK,I'll fess up.
I am really Gene Ching, Huang Kai Vun and Eddie.
Everytime the stats go down i try to dream up a good argument.
.........
If you want this thread locked, why don't you tell dirty jokes?
I'll start:
--------------
An Afgani pervert named osama
Declared: there is one thing i'm sura
A woman is fine
And a boy is devine
But a camel is numera una
-----------------

"This is the end
My only friend, the end
It hurts to set you free
But you'll never follow me"