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illusionfist
04-07-2000, 09:38 AM
Ok so how bout it? That last thread was pretty long

illusionfist
04-07-2000, 09:42 AM
How bout somebody else presenting a topic??

Integration of lau gar?

Splitting sup ying into two sets (i.e. five animals)?

The addition of butterfly palm?

Sup yee gee kiu sau?

Throw me a bone here folks

Peace out /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DF
04-07-2000, 09:43 AM
I believe the last topic in discussion was spear and staff.

Lets get the ball rolling.


peace

DF
04-07-2000, 09:45 AM
hey Illusionfist
seem like just me and you for now, I going in the chat room after this post , may be we can chat in there.

illusionfist
04-07-2000, 10:09 AM
hey df, go to the chat room, it get's lonely in there

DF
04-07-2000, 10:12 AM
Hi I am in there.
????
feel like in the twilight zone.

Subitai
04-07-2000, 01:27 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by DF:
I believe the last topic in discussion was spear and staff.

Lets get the ball rolling.

Hello Gentleman,

I'm new here so please bare w/ me. I am also a HG man. I don't usually do this net thing too often but i see you guys trying to be sensible and cool so what the heck. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

DF: What I really like about the Spear and staff is that they make you alternate your hand positions. Ie like Orthodox vs south paw. To me makes them interchangeble...except for certain cardinal rules. But never the less fun to play.

TO Illusionfist:

About Lau Gar, I only know two sets from it: Long Pole and standard hand set that most other schools have different variations for but basically are the same.

Is that also what you know? Curious

Now i have heard that there is a 3rd set. Have you heard of this? Has anyone? I thought it was lost???

take care,


Onassis
Instructor at Wing Lam

peace[/quote]

bean curd
04-08-2000, 11:29 AM
my understanding is also the same.
there are three lau gar forms
lau gar stick
lau gar fist
both of which are known.

the third is a lau gar palm form.
my understanding like you is that this one is lost and is not known to this day.
the two lau gar forms (fist and stick), where introduced to hung gar so they would not dissapear like the palm form
regards

illusionfist
04-08-2000, 01:02 PM
Subitai- I only know Lau Gar Kuen but i have seen the long pole set.

So hows the stunt coordinator biz? I heard that you left Lam kwoon in order to pursue the stunts biz?

In general, I like monkey staff because it trains ambidexterity in fighting. It's a short but very dynamic set, that's why i like it so much. Another cool thing is that it's close to mid range, which is rare with a staff or any polearm for that matter.

Regarding the 3rd lau gar set, i also heard that it was a palm set. Who knows, maybe Gordon Liu knows it and he just doesn't want to tell the world!!!

Peace /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Shadowman
04-08-2000, 07:17 PM
Hi everyone, Im new here.

I am studying Lau Gar Kung Fu, but have been doing so for about 9 months, so I know only 2 sets. Im about to begin learning the 3rd.

The first set is just the basic hand movement set, that Subitai mentioned. It's called 'Kay Boon Sau Fa'.

The second is set hand movement, called 'Jorn Sau'. This is a good set for breathing correctly with motion.

There are 6 set's to know up to brown sash level, then you start to learn set's based on weapon's. Hope this help's.

bean curd
04-09-2000, 02:13 PM
welcome aboard shadowman,
in regards to the hung gar, lau gar forms, the lau gar kuen and the lau gar gwun, have you seen them, and are they also the ones that you have learnt or seen played in your lau gar kwoon.

do you know of a lau gar site that discusses the forms and maybe even shows some of the postures???

just curious.

thnks for the info in advance

regards.

[This message has been edited by bean curd (edited 04-10-2000).]

Subitai
04-10-2000, 04:34 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by illusionfist:
So hows the stunt coordinator biz? I heard that you left Lam kwoon in order to pursue the stunts biz?

Subs= Oh, uh you caught me off guard. Yes, i'm still doing that but i'm also still an instructor for Sifu Lam. I'm just no longer his Shipping Mgr. for his business WLE.
I am acting and doing Fight Choreography for a Comedy/Kung Fu independant series. It's called "KWOON".

Web page for it is: <www.thekwoon.com> (Rt.now it's only a splash page but pls. visit)

All i can honestly say is, 'I can't vouch for my acting but i think the fighting is strong'. I'm going for a very specific genre of fight choreography. (Btw, if you watch it, we never undercranked the camera speed. It was all done live) Geez, i think i look fat on camera. Haha. Oh well.

My feelings are this, we couldn't possibly do Jackie Chan style choreography better than his crew could and everybody and their brother is attempting to do so. So i say why bother? I feel there is a WHOLE GENERATION OF KUNG FU NUTS OUT THERE that grew up watching the "OLD Shaw Bros Movies". I want to cater to them specifically.

Also, if any of you guys are in California and want to join in w/ our movie project. Just email me. I NEED MORE GUNG FU MEN. Not just specifically Hung Gar people. Anybody who's willing to work hard and do some o'l style gung fu movie fight scenes and perhaps get paid to do so, just let me know.
sorry for that rant.

In general, I like monkey staff because it trains ambidexterity in fighting. It's a short but very dynamic set, that's why i like it so much. Another cool thing is that it's close to mid range, which is rare with a staff or any polearm for that matter.

Subs= I like what you said here, i'm inclined to agree. Still,i'll always attk the center on the way in, aiming for the outer pts like hands and feet prior to the finishing blow.(long range to short rng) Also in that set the hand positioning is decieving too.(both hands overgrip) I like that as well.

Regarding the 3rd lau gar set, i also heard that it was a palm set. Who knows, maybe Gordon Liu knows it and he just doesn't want to tell the world!!!

SUbs=haha Ya, you know what? I was just joking about that the other day.

I'm in luck, I'm goin to see my Si Gung in May. Perhaps he may know the 3rd set.

Subs


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Lost_Disciple
04-10-2000, 08:05 PM
Bear with me, I'm putting some e-mail stuff on here, cuz it relates.

Chris-
I talked to Thomas. Basically our Lau Gar sets have the same bow (3 directions), and the combo I was talking about (albeit done just slightly different). The main difference is that he has another combo; and the ending section is ENTIRELY different. He does "my combo" and the other combo twice each (alternating). The last section is totally different from the one I learned, except he does have the 2 or 3 arm breaks that mine's got (again done slightly differently). His has a bunch of butterfly-palm techniques- hope I have the terminology right here; it looks like a "Kamihamiha" from Dragonball Z or Ryu's fireball from Street Fighter 2.

Basically, I've come to the conclusion that everything I learned from my old sifu (except the Hsing Yi, Tai Chi, and maybe the Dragon) was a simplification of the original form. My bung bo is the same as Seven star (saw sifu do it Saturday), but with a ton of moves missing.

I'd like to see the other Lau Gar form- though hard to tell why they'd deliniate one "palm" and the other "fist", when the "fist" does have it's share of open-palmed techniques.

Ben Gash
04-11-2000, 08:41 PM
The Lau Gar that shadowman talks about is the traditional shorthand lau gar kuen, one of the five original southern family styles (along with Hung, Li, Choy and Mok). As far as I can ascertain this bears very little resmblance to the hung gar lau routines.
You can get more information on this style by going to www.bkfa.org.uk (http://www.bkfa.org.uk) , but it doesn't really give much of an idea.
I assume shadowman is English, as it's a lot more common here than in America.

Paul Skrypichayko
04-12-2000, 12:36 PM
Hello, I'm new to this group, but maybe I can shed some light on the issue.

Originally, Lau Gar only had the kuen (fist) form, and the pang (pole) form. Just like other styles of kung fu, more was added in later. I suspect that this third form was probably created in the last 40 years or so, and most likely with a lot of the same moves found in southern shaolin style (hung gar) kung fu.

Point of interest; my sifu performed Lau Gar Kuen in front of Lau Jam back around 1963. For those who might not know, Lau Jam is the father of Lau Gar Leung, Lau Gar Fai, and Lau Gar Wai. I dont remember their English names, but one of them is Gordon Liu. All three were pretty famous in the days of Shaw Bros.

Subitai
04-12-2000, 01:22 PM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by Paul Skrypichayko:
Hello, I'm new to this group, but maybe I can shed some light on the issue.

Originally, Lau Gar only had the kuen (fist) form, and the pang (pole) form. Just like other styles of kung fu, more was added in later. I suspect that this third form was probably created in the last 40 years or so, and most likely with a lot of the same moves found in southern shaolin style (hung gar) kung fu.

Point of interest; my sifu performed Lau Gar Kuen in front of Lau Jam back around 1963. For those who might not know, Lau Jam is the father of Lau Gar Leung, Lau Gar Fai, and Lau Gar Wai. I dont remember their English names, but one of them is Gordon Liu. All three were pretty famous in the days of Shaw Bros.[/quote]


Hi Paul,

That's awesome! I love anything that has to do w/ the SB movies. Interesting name trivia for me as well, I never heard that b4.

If you don't mind me asking, who's your Sifu? Also i'm confused, are you saying that you yourself know the 3rd form? Or just your Sifu? I'm sorry to pry, im just excited about news that the form does exist.

Many many thx for the information,

subs aka "O"

bean curd
04-12-2000, 03:28 PM
ben
thanks for the site, i'll check it out.

paul,
thanks for the info on lau gar.

the lau gar in the hung gar carriculum is from the lau family, the same one from the five families of the south.

as subitai has stated, i would also be greatly interested in the palm set, i have been aware of the palm set from the early 70's, however as stated above only know the lau gar kuen and lau gar gwun.

the lau gar sets where introduced to hung gar in the early 1900's, except for the palm set due to its disapearing.

there was much interaction between the lau's and the hung players due to their involvement in the hong kong movies, especially in the early 40's onwards.

do you have a palm set in the lau gar??
do you know when it was developed???
is the lau gar gwun of the hung gar the same or is this also different????
is it possable to relate the differences??

sorry for the questions but i am really interested, if you can assist.

thanks

regards

Ben Gash
04-12-2000, 09:36 PM
Gordon Liu Is properly Liu Chia Fei, or Lau Kar Fai in Cantonese. He is the adopted brother of Lau Kar Yang (Liu Chia Liang), famed Shaw brothers director (5 shaolin masters, Mad Monkey Kung Fu, Legendary Weapons of Kung Fu and Drunken Master 2 and 3) and actor (Mad Monkey Kung Fu, Legendary Weapons of Kung Fu, Pedicab Driver, Drunken Master 2). I thought that the Lau Gar sets in Hung Gar came from these Lau (known for their Hung Gar), well, their predecessors anyway. From what I've seen of the Lau Gar Fist form, it doesn't look a great deal like Shorthand Lau Gar Kuen.

Lost_Disciple
04-12-2000, 11:56 PM
While we're on the subject of Gordon Liu- was that him in Jet Li's "Last Master in China" as the evil head monk?
Just curious, because the guy in the film looked a LOT like him.

Paul Skrypichayko
04-12-2000, 11:56 PM
My sifu is nobody famous in the world of martial arts, but his master, Chan Hon Chung, is super famous in hung gar and Hong Kong.

I only know the barehand form, and the pang form. The core of lau gar are these two forms, just like the core of hung gar has gung ji, fu hok, and tit sin. Yes, more forms and techniques were added in later, but the core is what contains the essence of the art. My sifu said if he sees another form or two, he would be able to recognize it as the supplemantary material the Lau's practiced.

Paul Skrypichayko
04-12-2000, 11:59 PM
This is kinda off-topic, but I heard rumors that Gordon Liu (Lau Kar Fei) is acting in Taiwanese porno movies. Can anybody back this up or shoot it down?

illusionfist
04-13-2000, 12:54 AM
Yeah that is gordon liu in Deadly China Hero. He plays the head evil monk in that movie. He's the one in that weird box thing that flies around when jet li is on that bridge or cat walk type thing early in the movie when they go save those maidens from the priests.

Gordon Liu, Porn, and iron wire....hmmmmmmm, not a bad mix!!! /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif

Anyway.....

Peace out y'all /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

WongFeHung
11-29-2000, 06:50 AM
Some people maintain that Cheong Sum Jeurng-heart penetrating palm is the third lau ga set aka Lau Ga Palm-who knows?It has a few different techniques not seen in the other Hung ga forms, such as the lin wan kuen-similar to wing chun's jik chung choi chasing fists, jumping front kick, and a spinning technique similar to some aiki movement, and power generation combining hoi/hop,foa/chum,toi/tun. For that reason, we teach it at our mo-gwoon. We do so after black sash,only because I don't want to overload the curriculum. /infopop/emoticons/icon_cool.gif