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04-12-2000, 07:19 PM
I am currently researching Xingyiquan(Hsing-I Chuan) which incorporates the study of the five elements of Taoist cosmology in its main forms. I've heard that Hung Gar also has techniques based on the five elements. What are the characteristics of Hung Gar's five elements concepts and what are some
average fighting applications for them? Xingyiquan's 12 animal forms are usually an extension of one or more of its five element fists. Are the five animals of Hung Gar(Dragon, Tiger, Snake, Leopard, and Crane) associated with any specific element?(Metal(Gold), Water, Wood, Fire, and Earth) Thanks.

Paul Skrypichayko
04-13-2000, 12:14 AM
In hung gar, the animals aren't closely associated with the elements. Also, there are only about 10-12 moves that are specifically belonging to the five elements.

When using the five elements, there is a formula, just like using the permutations of Baguazhang to fight with a mathematical formula.

When analyzing things, like medicine, fortune telling, feng shui, and martial arts, the five elements can be used to classify all sorts of different things.

If you go to http://www.fuhok.com/chuaninfo.html you can see some pictures of the 5 animals and 5 elements. The guy in the pictures kinda has the basic idea.

bean curd
04-13-2000, 04:33 PM
in concept their are simularities with both styles, however the intent and practical usages are very distant.

there is not the gathering in hung gar as in xingyi, and the basic techniques are also distant in application, due also to the main concept of xing yi's linear approach

in general the alchamy for the cma follow as stated above with guidlines that must be followed, the interpritation into usage can vary.

for example the hebei movement of wood is very much, from a physical perspective the same as the fire movement in sup ying, however the actual intent of both the movements is different for each style.

not to confuse however, is that the intent of the wood movement in xing yi has the same squeezing in the hung gar wood, except the actual movements look nothing alike and the application/methods differ.

also were for example when gathering in xing yi when doing wood, as in the ripping of cotton, one hand forward, the other returning, in hung gar the movements are used with both hands simultanoiusly with the squeezing going in the same direction, than opposite in xing yi

hope this has made sense


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