Modern Koppo (ATT: members in Japan)

[Stranger]

Has anybody ever heard of this martial art?

I have very little information to assist, but here it goes:

1)the main instructor bases his operations out of the Tokyo area

2)it is not affiliated with the koppo teachings of the various
Takematsu X-kans

3)an article appeared on the instructor back in he late 80's in
one of the main martial arts mags. He had long hair and fu-
manchu style facial hair. The initials SH come to mind, but I
may be wrong.

Thanks in advance.

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[Shadow Dragon]

Stranger.

May I suggest you post this one over on E-Budo, those guys are very glued up on Japanese MA.

I have heard of the style before, but it doesn't ring a bell immediately.

Cheers.

[sing fu]

Here's their homepage (Japanese though):

http://www9.big.or.jp/~koppo/

Horibe-sensei is a nationalist that, after seeing BJJ for the first time, started mixing his family striking art with grappling similar to BJJ. The movement took off in the 80s and early 90s, but with the introduction of authentic BJJ/Vale Tudo training in Japan, has died off quite significantly.

[Stranger]

That's the one. Thank you so much. Unfortunately Alta Vista's Babel Fish translator only got me so far and I don't speak Japanese.

I have some follow up questions for you, if you don't mind:

Does it look like anything else in the realm of martial arts?

Is the grappling akin to early judo or more like pre-BJJ influenced shootwrestling? Or are the technique's origins from an older jujutsu style of grappling?

Does it appear to be effective in any glimpses of it you might have seen?

Is there a weapons component to the training?

Nationalist to the point that he doesn't teach non-Japanese?

Is it considered Gendai Budo or Koryu Bujutsu?

Do you know anywhere to get photographs of it online?

[Shadow Dragon]

Stranger.

e-Mail me a list of questions you want to ask, I will try to drop by the place on my way home.

It is on the way and only a few stops away from where I live.

Cheers.

[SevenStar]

Isn't koppo a bone breaking style?

[sing fu]

I've seen some of both styles, and none of it looks like bone-breaking to me. Lots of vital point hitting, quick throws. The ninja styles escape after a hit and throw the stars though.

[SevenStar]

just curious. Everything I've ever heard about koppo has been about joint manipulation and breaking.

[sing fu]

Yeah, I was wondering about that translation too - nothing I've seen seems to be breaking bones:confused: Still, Horibe-sensei and his boys like to mix it up on the mat - plenty of blood noses. Maybe they should call it the blood-nose-style! :p

[Shadow Dragon]

Here is one definition of

Koppo Jutsu (http://iktfps.lut.mah.se/sol/kanouseiryu_ninjutsu/koppo_jutsu.htm)

Hope this helps.

[SevenStar]

maybe the translation is off. I just saw something that gave another definition of koppo - secret.

also, koppo ken - thumb knuckle strike - I know that's completely different though.

[Shadow Dragon]

Not to forget fighting with a:

Koppo stick.

Chers.

[SevenStar]

"But once the footwork of Karumijutsu is mastered, then it is time to add in the fighting skill, which begins with the Horyu, or side fist, of Koppo. What is commonly called the Tsulken, hammer fist, because of the Okinawan Karate influe nce, is in the Japanese art called Horyu. This refers to striking with the bottom of the fist. In the Koppo manner the fist is loaded at the side of the head and then brought to any target on the body of an opponent, following one of the eight angles of m otion. The fist should strike whatever vital point it is aimed at with a ninety degree angle, so that maximum impact is made and the force is directed internally for utmost damage.

There is a misunderstanding in regard to the art of Koppo in which many people think it is only for damaging and breaking actual bones, but there is a higher level to the art which involves compression of the internal organs of an opponent, causing serious and fatal damage. And yet, since the art was developed by monks, there was a manner in which the art can be applied so that less than fatal effects would result. As the Karumijutsu footwork was applied, the hands instead of turning into the withering blows of Koppo, could instead be turned into the Mute, empty hands, of mercy. The Mute were used to gently push a person away or sting the person so that the pain would discourage further aggression. And yet at any time, if the situation warranted it, the deadly fists could be brought into play."

[Stranger]

does it look like anything else (karate, kung fu, shooto, JJJ, BJJ, etc.)?

I'm not suggesting a common origin. I am just trying to get a visual image.

[Former castleva]

I´ve heard something about koppo-jutsu but mostly have thought of it as a small part of certain JMA curriculum (not to say it would only exist in JMA,change the term and...)
like kyusho-jitsu which for long has been part of karate and numerous martial arts.

[SevenStar]

Let's not forget - if you are an anime fan, Andy Bogard (fatal fury) trained in koppo ken under Mai Shiranui's father.

[Stranger]

ttt

any more info?

[sing fu]

>Does it look like anything else in the realm of martial arts?

I would say more like BJJ with some traditional strikes and locks

>Is the grappling akin to early judo or more like pre-BJJ >influenced shootwrestling? Or are the technique's origins from >an older jujutsu style of grappling?

Hard to say what the influence is, but Horibe-sensei did note he revamped his art after seeing BJJ

>Does it appear to be effective in any glimpses of it you might
>have seen?

I guess this depends on what you want out of training - seems like they have a pretty good mat game and enjoy it :)

>Is there a weapons component to the training?

Not that I know of. 'Koppo stick' is actually a pretty neat translation of 'koppo', which within old arts specifically means any small concealed weapon used to augment a hold/lock etc.. I don't know if they do it.

>Nationalist to the point that he doesn't teach non-Japanese?

Haven't seen too many foreigners in it, but it doesn't mean there aren't any. Dressing up in fundoshi everyday sounds cool ;) :) His history lectures sound a little borderline though..

>Is it considered Gendai Budo or Koryu Bujutsu?

Definately modern budo.

> Do you know anywhere to get photographs of it online?

Not sure about the pix. Gakken has a video about it though - pretty cheap too (3000 yen-ish) - so if you're interested you might want to check it out. I THINK the title was kenka koppo or nihon-den koppo. Sorry I can't remember it exactly.

Good luck!

[shinbushi]

koppojutsu like Taijutsu, jujutsu, jutaijutsu, kumi uchi, and many more are best translated as japanese close quarters combat. some with similar names might be more disimlilar than arts with different names. Kenka Koppo (Fighting Koppo) came out when I was living in Japan and the Founder was in all the fighting mags. His stuff looks like older sumo.
What worried me is that they had the same uniforms as Andy Bogart from the game Fatal Fury (Garaou Densetsu in Japan). I had seen the game before the martial art. I had hoped that the founder did not copy the game.
If anyone has played Tekken 2? Nina Williams secondary uniform (The camo one) had the Kenka Koppo logo on the back of it.

[Stranger]

ttt, just to see if anybody new has any information

sorry, couldn't resist :)