Recent Article

[Diamond Talons]

Any members read the recent mag article on Lee Gar Tong Long? Thoughts?

[Harry Gow]

which mag??

[108kuen]

The new IKF

[Harry Gow]

who is on it?

[Diamond Talons]

Didn't post the mag name. Rival mag and might be offensive to our host. Guy named Chris Arnold as Sifu & Ken & Ben & some other guy not named. No politics please.

[bong]

More video students, and the text was mostly taken from Steve Richard's own site:

http://www.tibetankungfu.com/mantis_history.htm

[mantidsquasher]

Heeyyyy! Bongie babie:D

Ya'll at it agin! Ya jus can-not stop yarself can ya:rolleyes:

Man-Ny-Tid Rodriguez, the diss-si-pil of Sammy Wongies Chew-Garfield Pie IS A VIDEO STUDENT!!!!!

Man, ya jus gotta get ya green ass over der and SHUT HIM DOWN.
Go to it bongie Mantid, shut dat big 380 plus pound wus down

Yah, jus like yah did ta Floridaaah Mantid 'n ta Alabamie Hagood Mantid.

Go on Bongie, show yarself to be a real MAN-tid, not jus a trolling Jokey-Lummie with a puckered li'll green ass.

CHALLENGE dat big-video-fake 380 plus pound Man-nny-Tid Rodriguez, CHALLENGE dat Flarridah Fake Mantid, CHALLENGE dat Alabamie Hah-Good-Mantid, YEAH do it big bongie, do it, clowse 'em down, PROVE ya'll a REAL Man-Tid:p

Y'all know, NO-MAN-TID can prac-tease Jokie-Lumie, Chu-Gar-Field Pussie Pie UNLESS Big-Bad-Bongie says that ya'all is Kosher:D
Udder-wise, he's gonna post on KFO and exposeur ya'all:p

So do it bogey-snot, shut 'em down:)

Ya won't tho' will ya, coz Manny-Tid is a REAL boxer, an a REAL MAN-TID ha ha ha :D Same wid dat Flaridahhh Mantid and Haggie-is-Good Mantid, yeah go Troll-Box with the Mantids, bongie, coz ya can do NOTHING else:D

Ya'll know al'-bout video's an' films der don't ya bongie-boy, 'made' any lately? :p

[Diamond Talons]

Read bong's posts Mantidsquasher. He's a troll & knows nothing & posts political not substance. Is Manny really that big of a fellow? That's huge for a Hakka Tong Long boxer have you seen him move? Are you saying he's Chu Gar through Sammy Wong good line if yes & I don't mean politic but good hand as in complete & real skill by Sammy Wong.

[mantidsquasher]

Heeeyyy Tally!:D

I'm jus a 'shadow' Man, no a Man-Tid, made by da-bongie-tid in his own image ha ha ha.

Bogie Mantid, Mant-Tid-ass-licka--tella, an all dem real nice guys:D who troll southern peeing mantid pie. Dey made me outta da own karma-n-tid:D

Manny-Tid is da BIG Man-Tid, Tally, an' he's reel cuel, never trolls, good for his chewie-garfield pie-ball, an his lee-wingie-sing-a song birds in a pie.

Now, why doz s-peeing-mantid ave ter squash each udder? Coz green-asses can't squash squat anyone else. Bogey-snot Man-Tid can't even squash another Man-Tid, unless its as a troll:p

Jokie-Lumie gotta BAD name coz-a trollies like boggey-snot

So go on bongie, get out and PROVE ya'all a REAL man-tid, go squash dem guys, or shut da f*uc up:D

[Diamond Talons]

I guess your answer is yes he's that big a guy and yes he's really Chu Gar by way of Sammy Wong. I guess that's what you said?

Shadowing bong? That's a good trick. A shadow for a shadow.

Lives in NYC. Works out in Chinatown Park. In the heartland of great Hakka Tong Long in America. Lot's of guys around who know & some of them are open. Goes to Conn. to learn Hakka Tong Long. Right. Right for troll.

What does the video comment mean? Are people being secretly video taped? If yes for what reason and who's doing it?

[mantidsquasher]

Tally-Ho!!!!

That Bongie-Man-Tid, he's so BRIGHT, he's like a mmmmm... NOVA!, a Super-Nova ack, ack, ack (triple AAA Man-Tid:D )

He likes FILM:p

Me and Bogie-Snot, we'all meet wherever the MANTIDS "LIE":D

I'm a reel as he is, ha ha ha.

Dat bongie, he's soooo hot, he's gonna fight Hag-is-good Man-Tid, Flarridaaah-Fake Man-Tid, BIG-Manny-Tid-Rodriguez, Chris-Arnie-Man-Tid, Chiny-Chin-Chin Brudder-Man-Tids, an' all dem Mantid's he squashes 'ere on dis foram (which had better be strong coz he's gonna need dat bridge man-tid :D )

Column-ass Park: Boogie time with Bongo and da Mantid's!!! Yeah!!! FILM it Super-Nova ack!!! ha ha ha, name the time, post 'em with ya challenge TROLL:mad:

[Diamond Talons]

I can't make out what you are telling. Guess it makes sense to bong. Norman or Milton Chin is that what you are saying? Are you saying bong films people secretly if so why as stuff done in the open park are simple things most of the time? The park has been run down bad for several years and finally NYC has put some money together to get it right again. Big embarrassment after 9/11 vigil held in a dump park. Politics and bad publicity. Your writing is hard to read. Are you only talking to bong? I will stay away if yes as bong is trouble making know nothing troll whose lies are windows. He's a coward too & that is always a troll sign. Care to say something about the recent article? Are you Hakka Tong Long? No Pai, lineage or Sifu name asked for since it starts politics.

[mantidsquasher]

ME! HA HA HA Car :D

I'm jus a figment ov dat bongies karma :)

bogey-snot-troll has challenged Hag-IS-God-Mantid, Chinny-Chin-Brudder-Mantids, Many-Many-Rodriguez-Mantids, Arnie-Mantid, Falridddahhh-FAKE-Mantid, he wanza meat dem in colum-upaya-ass park. He can bring mant-ass-licker-tella, and red-end-fits wid him too;)

Bog-born-Mantid needsza un-da-stand dat trolling is bad-fer-ya hellf :p

What he has sown, so shall he reap:mad:

[Diamond Talons]

I haven't said it because it is a lie he keeps telling & telling so he keeps showing himself to be the lying troll his is. The truth is bong doesn't practice at the park as he claims. His Sifu in Conn. is all made up in his head too. There are real reasons behind my knowing these truths & I won't tell the stupid troll so he can fix his broken lies & the main truth is bong is a lying stupid troll. Let's ignore him and talk about Hakka Tong Long. I liked the recent article as another Hakka Tong Long hand made itself known to the public & took down the wall. It is good that my brothers are making their hand known again & it has been almost 36 years since they have been so open. What do you think?

[BearBear]

Hi.

There is some websites posted on the "Southern Praying Mantis (and other arts) Forums" which are lee gar (Lee Yin Sing Pai Jook Lum)

anyone have more info on this system? please go and post.

http://tonglongforums.cjb.net
http://pub75.ezboard.com/bsouthernprayingmantiskungfu

thanks

BearBear

[Diamond Talons]

Are things working out for your forum BearBear & are you happy with it so far? Looks like a lot of work to put these things together & a good reason to be grateful to our host & not post stupid troll rants.

[BearBear]

Hey Daimon Talons

Thanks.. yeah the Southern Mantis (and all arts) forums is coming along.. slowly but surely ...

I'm want to work atm on

1. location directory of all schools/teachers in the world
2. a dictionary of terms. pay sao = side cut hand etc..
3. lotsa pictures of masters, teachers, practitioners.
4. listing every website on the net that has anything on southern mantis

i got a lot of time on my hands at the moment, + tragic Love ...Life (TM) ... so get back into training and net hehe

anyways

Take care everyone

BearBear

Good times or Bad times keep on training!! In this life u need inner strength more den eva :P

[Diamond Talons]

Once I heard a guy say someone in another country like Russia put together a huge PM thing & many different styles south & north were on it but I don't know if that is right or not. Much time on your hands could mean your hands become much improved.

[chinggong]

I speak frankly. There is no such thing in China or Hong Kong as Lee Gar Praying mantis from Lee Ying Sing...this will soon be open and more...such as the Tibetan birthplace and China burial of Som Dot...Lee Siem's legacy (and journals)......Lee Siems training partner, Wong Do Yuen....the origin of "Tonglong"....Chung Yel Chung's family and recordings including family photographs and photographs of his many handwritten manuscripts...interviews of Chung Yel Chungs family including his sister and his Grandson who still operates Chung's medical clinic today ....Ma Sai District; the birthplace of Lam Sang...the first Hakka Jook Lum School in China....Chung Bok, Jook Lum Iron Uncle, 95 years old, friends with Chung Yel Chung, Lam Sang and Wong Yook Kong; the teachings of the late Master Wong Yuk Kong...and his three son's teachings today...the creation of Chu Gar Tonglong...the passing down of Iron Ox Praying Mantis...and much more...as recorded in China and Hong Kong...

These matters will soon become apparent...and there is no bias involved...only facts...recorded by dozens of living elder Jook Lum, Chu Gar Tonglong, Iron Ox masters...in photo, video, print...at their request...

I've been fortunate to see the recordings entirely...a dozen or more elder masters openly speak frankly...such as Chung Wei Fei, Yang Gun Ming, Lai Wei Kuang (instructor in the first Jook Lum Hall in China), Lau Say Kay, Lok Wei Ping, Yao Kam Fat, Xu Men Fei and others....all speak openly and freely with an obvious desire for the truth about SPM...

Many demonstrations recorded of hand sets, pole, and more...as well many Jook Lum, Chugar and Iron Ox masters have spoken openly...to be revealed...more than 300 historic photographs and 5 hours of video recordings...

Soon it will be revealed...at their request...not anyone elses...such as the photo attached here of the Chu Gar head master today, Cheng Wan, disciple of the late Chu Kwong Hwa...Cheng Wan today is some 80 years old...

See who is the head of Tonglong in China and Hongkong as recorded in Photograph at the 1963 formal mantis celebration according to the unicorn! The line up includes such notables as Chu Kwong Hua Chu Gar Head master and family, a young Yip Sui (chu gar), many other masters of Jook Lum / Chu Gar/ etc including Master Wong Yook Kong...

photo copyright 2002 Cheng Wan
published by permission from Roger D. Hagood

Chinggong

[Diamond Talons]

Chingchong you don't speak frank you just speak stupid & politics & speaking is all you do so post your stupid politics at another thread & you say one thing one time & then do opposite another time so you are a troll & trouble maker. Who's your Sifu Chingchong & does he know of your stupid politics posts & I don't thing many peoples if any care about what you claim as truth & you are so stupid you think peoples you talk with only ones that know a truth & those peoples give you answer to question that isn't worded right & there's plenty of Lee Gar in HK & elsewhere but you don't know it's name & so you stay in the dark troll politics trouble maker.

[mantidsquasher]

Heeeyyyy!!!:D

"Daimonds R Fer-EVER" Man-Tid:p !

Doe'n ya'll KNOW Man-TID der IS NO SUCHA THING ASA
LAY-WINGIE-SINGIE-PIE

Dat "Master" Koo-Kam-Singie" inda Portland Orie-Gone, he doe'na
EXIST Mantid :D NAH he ain't REAL!

He nedder waz a Dis-Sigh-Pull of dat Wongie-Yuk(:eek: )-Gongie an Dat Lay-Wingie-Singie:D How cud e be? Singie-Pie of da lay familie- dey doe'na exist - never did, dey juz a figameant of some silly ***** immaginaytion.

Ha Ha Ha - all dem MAN-TIDS in Yu-Kay, Ozietaylor, You-S-Ay, Vee-eat-namie, Singie-Paw... dey all livin a dream Man-Tid:p Der PIE was never baked.

YEAH go clowse downa dem fakes in Porterlund Orriegone, go clowse downa dem fakes in Californiay! Got shutta dem down in Nu Mecki-Co YEAH, den getta on over-dem-see's to You-Kay, Singie-Paw, Ozzie's-taylor, Vee-eata-narm, YEAH an Hongie-Kongie tu:D Dem guyz who-ar donna exizt, dey thinka dey is TRIADS!!!:eek: Go show-em dey ain't:p

"Sing-A-Songie Wingie, Der nedder wuz a PIE,
Ma(i)ster LEE was a Fake till dar day dat he DIE",
When da PIE was opened out fella a Lum(p),
He sanga song to Marc-BuF-Foon and
And Jookie Lum waz a JOKE:D "

[Killing Jacko]

a recent trip to Hong Kong makes Har-god the history expert???
ha ha ha. Narrrrrr No lee gar..................?? ask squasher springee, he knows the story.

[mantidsquasher]

Heeyyyy KILLER:D

Who yar goin kill Man-Tid? ha Ha Ha.

Lee-Wingie-Singie? No such Man-Tid, No such Pie, Rajah-Dee-Haggis has said so:D

He speeks dar Pain-Tooth bout Joke-Lump-Pie!
Harry-Poo isnarra Man-Tid - sez Bamie-Pie, dem boyz dey nedder wanna ever to be parta Poo's Pie, The Grand-Haggis nedder wanna be top-Man-Tid wid him, nah, nedder happened:D

Harrie-Poo-he downa dooooo Joke-Lump-Pie Sudden-Peeing-Mantid style, he nedder learn anything froma dat Lump-Wings-Alice-Faye. Juz ask da Bamie Boyz:p

Ya'll all doin Juz Fine, showin yarselves to beee wha yar ar:)

[jon]

So many questions.
Why does Roger Hagood always insist on posting under his students names instead of his own?
Its transparent every time it happens, often the poster in questions writing style will change repeatably within the same thread.

I dunno much about southern SPM but ive become pretty good at spotting someone with an agenda when I see it.

Lets look at this revalation you have posted, fail to see the humour in your name btw.

"I speak frankly."
* Used as a set up, your very first comment is a variation on 'you must believe me'. Why should we trust you that your 'speaking frankly'.

"There is no such thing in China or Hong Kong as Lee Gar Praying mantis from Lee Ying Sing...this will soon be open and more...such as the Tibetan birthplace and China burial of Som Dot...Lee Siem's legacy (and journals)......Lee Siems training partner, Wong Do Yuen....the origin of "Tonglong"....Chung Yel Chung's family and recordings including family photographs and photographs of his many handwritten manuscripts...interviews of Chung Yel Chungs family including his sister and his Grandson who still operates Chung's medical clinic today ....Ma Sai District; the birthplace of Lam Sang...the first Hakka Jook Lum School in China....Chung Bok, Jook Lum Iron Uncle, 95 years old, friends with Chung Yel Chung, Lam Sang and Wong Yook Kong; the teachings of the late Master Wong Yuk Kong...and his three son's teachings today...the creation of Chu Gar Tonglong...the passing down of Iron Ox Praying Mantis...and much more...as recorded in China and Hong Kong..."
* What the heck was that? You can hardly even write let alone prove facts, if your planning on releasing this to the public you had better hope someone go's over the delivery a little more carefully. More to the point, if its 'soon to be 'open and much more' then enquiring minds might wish to know exactly why its been revealed 'now' and more to the point why on earth to the author of this apparent expose.

"These matters will soon become apparent...and there is no bias involved...only facts...recorded by dozens of living elder Jook Lum, Chu Gar Tonglong, Iron Ox masters...in photo, video, print...at their request..."
*Please... Stop... Using... Three... Full... Stops... Its... Really... Annoying!!! It also shows you up as a poor writer, which then leads to questions on the validity of the facts you claim to pervay.

"I've been fortunate to see the recordings entirely...a dozen or more elder masters openly speak frankly...such as Chung Wei Fei, Yang Gun Ming, Lai Wei Kuang (instructor in the first Jook Lum Hall in China), Lau Say Kay, Lok Wei Ping, Yao Kam Fat, Xu Men Fei and others....all speak openly and freely with an obvious desire for the truth about SPM..."
* Errrr how do you know there all speaking openly and freely?
How do we know that? You make too many assumptions and yet bring no proveable facts. You speak of the truth yet deliver nothing but speculation.

"Many demonstrations recorded of hand sets, pole, and more...as well many Jook Lum, Chugar and Iron Ox masters have spoken openly...to be revealed...more than 300 historic photographs and 5 hours of video recordings..."
* Finaly something we can sink our teach into, still im kinda curious exactly what they would have been willing to demo on film. My guess is quite a lot would be held back, still its just a guess. Anyhow, so where is this footage again and when do we all get to see it for ourselves?

"Soon it will be revealed...at their request...not anyone elses...such as the photo attached here of the Chu Gar head master today, Cheng Wan, disciple of the late Chu Kwong Hwa...Cheng Wan today is some 80 years old..."
* If its being revealed at there request why are they not doing it personaly? This would seem like a very fair question, they would realise that releasing this kind of information though a third party could be potencialy very foolish - why take the risk? I would also not mind knowing whats with the wait? If you have all this information and have seen it then what exactly are you sitting on? My honest guess is this information doesnt exist and will *never* be made openly public by those of hakka blood.

"See who is the head of Tonglong in China and Hongkong as recorded in Photograph at the 1963 formal mantis celebration according to the unicorn!"
* The errrr 'head of Tonglong in China and Hongkong'?
Surely this would be somewhat subjective? Is all Tonglong the same? Is the expression always the same? If not how do you choose just one man to be the head of such a school? How do you know there are not others of better skill who still keep the hand inside the family alone? Or maybe you just mean who happened to be in the middle of the photograph at that time? Perhaps you could be a little more clear?

"The line up includes such notables as Chu Kwong Hua Chu Gar Head master and family, a young Yip Sui (chu gar), many other masters of Jook Lum / Chu Gar/ etc including Master Wong Yook Kong..."
* You mean the line up of the photo? Brilliant, im glad you have a nice picture for your collection :D


I cant wait to see this expose on southern praying mantis, im sure its going to be the unbiased and factual review thats promised. Infact i was convinced right from the first line... "I speak frankly" So when and where is Roger Hagood planning on publishing this gem? After all i cant believe this whole thread has been for nothing but to stir up trouble - right?


Ok so now who is going to challenge me to Mortal Kombat (tm)?
Come on, i spoke up and im nothing but an outsider, surely this wont do? Then again all ive asked for is a little insight into some of these claims, surely someone with so much to 'reveal' would not mind me asking such questions?

[Killing Jacko]

Har-goddie it's time to speak up now,
or shut the Feld up.

Feld, care to hazard squashee springee hands??
He's hungie gargie merry chungie didciple Tibetie leegar roll into one.

haha may be feld send in gum-boat-ah so he can do-de bolt?

[mantidsquasher]

Heeyyyyy!!!!:D

YEAH, F.E.L.D.O.R.K. aka "The Grand Haggis", go Squash dat Spring:p Make sure ya'll don't bounce on yar lit'll o'll split yella-ass now Tigger- YEAH yooooo toooo "Killer" get on downa BOOGIE;)

Sooooo cum on yar Joke-Lump-Pie Mantids, be ya'll fiendly to one annuder, big wet kissies all round an promiz nedder to hurt one-annuders feelhings agin:mad: