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The Willow Sword
11-28-2002, 06:30 PM
Let me give you a brief Reality check on the history of thanksgiving so
that you truly understand why Americans love to celebrate it.

Many many years ago when the pilgrims first came here they were not very
attuned to the ways of living in the wilds. Being that the pilgrims were very
GRIM to begin with they would huddle in thier makeshift huts and pray to God
for a miracle. Well the prayer was answered and the indians showed up and said
"Boy you white people are pretty **** stupid trying to live in this art of the
land in the dead of winter. even WE dont live here".
Of course the pilgrims being superstitious thought that the devil had come
to them with his minions to kill the puritan way of life. The pilgrims would
have shot the indians but they were so cold that they did not have much
feeling in thier fingers to load and pull the trigger.
So the pilgrims prayed for god to deliver them from these devil heathans and
yet again god answered with an indian with a pipe who came up to them and said
"here smoke this,,it will make you feel better".
Now that the pilgrims were stoned and high as a kite they realized " hey
were freakin hungry"
But there was no food around and when you have several stoned people with the
munchies, its not a pretty sight.
SO the indians went out and got some turkeys and squash and other things and
fed the stoned purtians. they were so thankful and they prayed to god and
everyone was happy.
The pilgrims had enough strength now to load thier guns and shoot the indians
in the back and raid thier villiage and steal all thier food and kill thier
women and children. some say it was because the indians ran out of pot and you
know how some people get when they got no pot.
So anyway thats why we Proud Americans celebrate Thanksgiving. To
celebrate the coming together of different peoples to share food and warmth
and good tidings.

HAPPY THANKSGIVING KFM FORUM!

mrtws

Laughing Cow
11-28-2002, 06:45 PM
Here is a different version of the History to chew on:

History (http://www.drwnet.com/wings/jwthanks.htm)

Either way enjoy your Holiday.

Sharky
11-28-2002, 06:50 PM
"Of course the pilgrims being superstitious thought that the devil had come
to them with his minions to kill the puritan way of life."

Oh, the irony.

quiet man
11-29-2002, 03:59 AM
You silly Americans with your silly holidays... :D ;)

Former castleva
11-29-2002, 02:00 PM
Thanks.
Even though thanksgiving is not a part of local curriculum.

Grendel
11-29-2002, 11:55 PM
Sadly, neither history offered so far is historically accurate. The real story of the first Thanksgiving in the early colony was the result of the surplus of the Pilgrims, not the Puritans who came later. The surplus was shared with the friendly native Americans in the area in recognition of their good relations and their help in such matters as showing the colonists how to plant and raise maize.

It's unfortunate that Americans don't know their own history. The story itself shows the rest of the world which seeks to emulate American success, that success results from hard work.

Happy Thanksgiving and Hannukah.

Xebsball
11-30-2002, 07:04 AM
Originally posted by Grendel

The story itself shows the rest of the world which seeks to emulate American success, that success results from hard work.


Rest of world be not trying to emulate no nuthin.
Hard work my ass :p who you tryin to fool, fool.

MonkeyBoy
11-30-2002, 09:05 AM
Originally posted by Xebsball


Rest of world be not trying to emulate no nuthin.
Hard work my ass :p who you tryin to fool, fool.

Xebsball you couldn't keep it real, you FOOL?

Here in New York on a daily basis you get to here both the native the immigrant population bad mouth their hosts.

Abroad in many countries you here the same sentiment.

However the latest figures show that Americans are not flocking overseas to a better place. The opposite has always been the case. Actually it's the rest of the world that seeks to recruit our talent and they pay us handsomely for our services.

While the fact is that our economy drives more than half of the worlds economic engines goes largely ignored by those who benefit. The Israelis recieve over 15 billion a year in aid and they are on the low end of our good nature. American aid monies far outweigh the all UNESCO contributions combined and when we as a nation balk at a UN proposal or fee, American private interests and charities continue to spread the wealth and aid.

All of South and Central Americas, Africa and recently a good part of Asia rely on money earned here to keep them from bankruptcy and anarchy. Try to remember, if more than half of the money spent or saved in your country comes from the USA, your country is a failure by any standard.

So for the recent past, we forgave all your war debts from WWI and WWII because who are we kidding, only one European country ever even tried to pay us back. We packed up and defeated Nazism even after the atrocious behaviour of Europe after the first world war we won for them. American economic boycotts of South Africa did more to end apartheid than anything any native African attempted. By the way, that was a popular movement and it was not sponsored nor was it supported by the American goverment at the time.

The Japanese only have affordable oil because we sell them what comes out of Alaska. We go to war in the Mid-east to protect european interests. The US and Russia have the worlds largest oil reserves and production ability we don't need the Arab oil, we're looking out for countries that haven't been able to care for themselves for the last century. Think hard, we export oil. If need be the Japanese can take advantage of the natural gas pipeline in the Russian Sahkalin to drive their industry, we can keep our low grade from Alaska and Europe can feel free to freeze and starve.

For those of you who want to look at our Human Rights record, try to remember that the countries we bought our slaves from, still have slavery today. The recent forum for reparations to the descendents of former African/African-American slaves was held in country that openly enslaves Christians. That movement did not include any discussion of the English, Scottish, Irish, German or Dutch who were sold into the same servitude. People also forget that both white and black laborers, whether called slaves or indentured servants had the opportunity to buy their own freedom.

For those of you not on the current page, the last 50 years have seen massive reparations to American Native Peoples and they are financially, educationally and doing better than most. The Indian nations exist as free econimic, social and political entities. Oh and they recieve aid money also.

We even send food and money to Russia and if you didn't know, they worked against us the longest and hardest. They unlike the Chinese, never defeated us in battle and never saw fit to take us on directly. Hey even after we fought to a stalemate with them in Korea and set up a DMZ there, we eventually freed up enough technology/trade in the past 10 years to make China a modern nation in every sense.

Come to New York and see the cities we built for our disenfranchised, the massive projects that have been turned from affordable housing to free housing, to gang and drug infested ghettos by the inhabitants. See the people who do not report crime to their police force and expect police protection. Visit nation within a nation that attacks firefighters who come to put out their fires and rob emergencey services workers who come to aid them in their hour of need. Come and listen to them cry about the level of crime they create, tolerate and maintain by themselves. Try to remember they get free medical insurance, educational aid, public schooling, money for college, food, SSi benefits, housing and the privelidge of living in nation which has not had war on our soil for over 140 years. While those who do work, pay taxes and pay for their own housing here do not.

When you see all that for what it is, the fact that we feed, power and clothe the rest of you as well as our own, it is no big surprise that you have ended up as ungrateful, weak and dependent on us as you are.

Happy Thanksgiving to all of you who get to spend my tax dollars and will never contribute to my countries wealth, whether you live here or afar. I know your not grateful but that's because you're embarressed at your own failures and need for our charity.

For those of you who bother to read the whole thing, sorry for any mis-spellings, this place sorely needs a spell checker, not just for me but for those who post this forum to bash the USA too.

KC Elbows
11-30-2002, 10:05 AM
"People also forget that both white and black laborers, whether called slaves or indentured servants had the opportunity to buy their own freedom."

Well, isn't that nice. At least the system was fair.:rolleyes:


"While the fact is that our economy drives more than half of the worlds economic engines goes largely ignored by those who benefit."

Of course, we drive these economies solely out of the goodness of our hearts.

"All of South and Central Americas, Africa and recently a good part of Asia rely on money earned here to keep them from bankruptcy and anarchy."

You do realize that we rely on other economies for stability as well, right? World economy, right?

"We packed up and defeated Nazism even after the atrocious behaviour of Europe after the first world war we won for them."

What were the brits doing during WWII? What about the russians? Oh yeah, fighting the nazis too, and giving us the entrance we needed to win the war AS A GROUP. After all, if it were just us and the germans, the war would have been much different.

"American economic boycotts of South Africa did more to end apartheid than anything any native African attempted."

People dying over there resisting the unfair system sure seemed to draw our attention well enough. But their contributions are moot, apparently.

"The Japanese only have affordable oil because we sell them what comes out of Alaska."

We do that for cash and for interests in the area, not because we want to be like santa claus.

"The US and Russia have the worlds largest oil reserves and production ability we don't need the Arab oil, we're looking out for countries that haven't been able to care for themselves for the last century."

Yeah, that's why we're looking at drilling more. We use foreign oil, I'm not sure who told you otherwise, but they were wrong.

"Think hard, we export oil."

Think harder, we also import it.

"For those of you not on the current page, the last 50 years have seen massive reparations to American Native Peoples and they are financially, educationally and doing better than most. The Indian nations exist as free econimic, social and political entities. Oh and they recieve aid money also"

Haven't been on many reservations, have you?

"We even send food and money to Russia and if you didn't know, they worked against us the longest and hardest. They unlike the Chinese, never defeated us in battle and never saw fit to take us on directly. Hey even after we fought to a stalemate with them in Korea and set up a DMZ there, we eventually freed up enough technology/trade in the past 10 years to make China a modern nation in every sense."

Wow, it's amazing how you took the chinese completely out of that equation.

"Come to New York and see the cities we built for our disenfranchised, the massive projects that have been turned from affordable housing to free housing, to gang and drug infested ghettos by the inhabitants."

Build a ghetto and you'll get a ghetto. Ghettos don't usually start from GOOD housing.

"See the people who do not report crime to their police force and expect police protection."

If the police cannot become a greater power in an area than gangs, then what good is calling the police if you get killed for it? You expect standards of selflessness that I suspect that you could never live up to. Could you risk your children's lives in order to report a crime?

"Visit nation within a nation that attacks firefighters who come to put out their fires and rob emergencey services workers who come to aid them in their hour of need. Come and listen to them cry about the level of crime they create, tolerate and maintain by themselves. Try to remember they get free medical insurance, educational aid, public schooling, money for college, food, SSi benefits, housing and the privelidge of living in nation which has not had war on our soil for over 140 years. While those who do work, pay taxes and pay for their own housing here do not."

What a handy generalization. You mean, working folk would never cheat the system, making the gap between themselves and the extreme poor even bigger? And all those people in ghettos get all those benefits, eh? Your vision of social security involves a pretty **** efficient beaurocracy spreading all that money around, if all those people are all getting those benefits. Oh right, they're not. I forgot. It was just a post, not reality. Silly me.

"When you see all that for what it is, the fact that we feed, power and clothe the rest of you as well as our own, it is no big surprise that you have ended up as ungrateful, weak and dependent on us as you are."

Assuming that 'what it is' is anything more than hperbole you heard on Rush Limbaugh.

"Happy Thanksgiving to all of you who get to spend my tax dollars and will never contribute to my countries wealth, whether you live here or afar. I know your not grateful but that's because you're embarressed at your own failures and need for our charity."

Well, it's not really charity when you don't even sound like you like doing it, and will cry if you don't get credit for it despite that fact, is it?

Frankly, they weren't really 'bashing america'. On top of it, all three histories, from what I've read, are completely spurious in relation to Thanksgiving.

The fact is, it's a little duplicitious to celebrate a myth where we got along with the natives who we rather efficiently turned around and exterminated, and if you think that's country bashing, you're clueless on history. I can far better prove that we killed natives on purpose than you can prove that we ever even wanted to get along with them as a nation.

Nonetheless, I hope you had a good thanksgiving as a day to be with family and give thanks. But as a day to celebrate the native-european joyland that was early america? Get a grip, it never really was for long enough to count for much of anything. It's a myth, like the easter bunny and santa claus.

Merryprankster
11-30-2002, 11:16 AM
I do so LOVE revisionist history... where we judge the morality of populations 200 or 300 years long deceased based on 21st century standards of decency.

guohuen
11-30-2002, 11:21 AM
:D :D :D :D

KC Elbows
11-30-2002, 11:38 AM
Small pox in blankets was never the norm for behavior, merry. In addition, I don't think the conditions that lead to the destruction of the native cultures had as much to do with era as much as opportunity. No one was there to stop people from taking land. Quite a while before, the crusaders tried the same thing, but got spanked a bit. Many centuries later, the germans tried, too. America was unique, because it got to do things without undue interference from other modern countries once the brits and french were largely driven out. So we took what we wanted using means that, even at the time, were considered dishonest by honest folk. Or are we to assume that the behavior by any nation's military is typical of the rest of the culture?

I'm not saying we should be ashamed. I'm saying that thanksgiving has little to no historical backing, it's just an excuse for a decent holiday. Which of us does history support more on this one?:p :D

The Willow Sword
11-30-2002, 12:48 PM
what did i just start? im sorry guys i was just playin around now. i didnt mean to start a bunch of riteous rabble rousing.;) :p :D

KC Elbows
11-30-2002, 02:09 PM
Originally posted by The Willow Sword
what did i just start? im sorry guys i was just playin around now. i didnt mean to start a bunch of riteous rabble rousing.;) :p :D

Wabble wousing? Where?:D

Xebsball
11-30-2002, 05:24 PM
LOL @ Monkey rant :D
I was gonna reply to the MonkeySpanker but KC already did it :D

Thanx KC :D

Serpent
11-30-2002, 07:23 PM
MonkeyBoy, it's due to people like you that most of the rest of world dislikes America and Americans. You're a complete idiot. Do you really believe all that sh!t you posted?

Sharky
11-30-2002, 07:44 PM
I was gonna go through his thread and point out all his mistakes that he so firmly believes. But i couldn't be bothered getting into another 'argument' over the internet.

Cos you know what they say about arguing over the internet.

eulerfan
11-30-2002, 11:24 PM
Xebs, Serps, Sharky, you all want to be American, you just don't know it. Come on over, we'll have you recite the Pledge of Allegiance every day for ten years and then you'll see the truth about who you are and what you want to be.

Trust me.

Just a little bit closer, come on, it won't hurt. It's for your own good.

The Willow Sword
12-01-2002, 12:23 AM
For those of you not on the current page, the last 50 years have seen massive reparations to American Native Peoples and they are financially, educationally and doing better than most. The Indian nations exist as free econimic, social and political entities. Oh and they recieve aid money also.

NOT TRUE DIPSH!T. The indian reservations are OUR third world and it is rarely publicized. The reservations have the highest suicide,,alchohol addiction and murder rate of any major urban city. This so called economic aid that our government provides to the reservations is barely able to build new housing and repair reserve plumbing plus provide proper sanitation.
The casinos that are on indian land provide some help but most of the funds are pocketed by the so called "indian official councils" and in turn they go to support those living OFF the reservations.



The Japanese only have affordable oil because we sell them what comes out of Alaska. We go to war in the Mid-east to protect european interests. The US and Russia have the worlds largest oil reserves and production ability we don't need the Arab oil, we're looking out for countries that haven't been able to care for themselves for the last century. Think hard, we export oil. If need be the Japanese can take advantage of the natural gas pipeline in the Russian Sahkalin to drive their industry, we can keep our low grade from Alaska and Europe can feel free to freeze and starve.

Wrong again cumw@d: OUR oil manfactoring is getting low THATS why dubya wants to WAR with Iraq and also to go in and Fuk up more of the Alaskan wilderness to find more of what WE are running out of. Yes we Do have a large oil reserve but that is RESERVED for times of war. We IMPORT more oil than we export. why do you think the gas and oil prices are so high you lame brained idiot? Because the arabs are refusing to export to us in the quantity that they used to before we started fuking with iraq again(this is on going).



Come to New York and see the cities we built for our disenfranchised, the massive projects that have been turned from affordable housing to free housing, to gang and drug infested ghettos by the inhabitants. See the people who do not report crime to their police force and expect police protection. Visit nation within a nation that attacks firefighters who come to put out their fires and rob emergencey services workers who come to aid them in their hour of need. Come and listen to them cry about the level of crime they create, tolerate and maintain by themselves. Try to remember they get free medical insurance, educational aid, public schooling, money for college, food, SSi benefits, housing and the privelidge of living in nation which has not had war on our soil for over 140 years. While those who do work, pay taxes and pay for their own housing here do not

when you get rid of the manufactoring basin in the urban centers guess what happens? Poverty,,crime,,drugs,,anything that anyone can do to earn a living. how can a guy take care of his responsabilities working at the fukin mcdonalds? he CANT.
in WW2 we were the leader in export and manufactoring and we were wealthy back then. minorities in these urban centers had jobs,,GOOD jobs,,but when the politicians back in the late 50's decided to fuk around in korea and later in vietnam we lost money. our debt skyrocketed and corporations looked to other countries to produce thier goods. cheaper wages,,child slave labor meant great profits for the corporations and fewer and fewer jobs were available ,,not to mention the hundreds and thousands of layoffs that took place which spawned the civil rights movement.


Believe me when i say that i love this country and i enjoy the freedoms we have but what i cannot abide by is the manner in which those freedoms were attained at the expense of over 500 nations of native peoples that were wiped out(some to extinction)
and the black slaves who were treated as cattle to pioneer the land and the chinese immigrants that died making the railroads.

The notion and idea of america is a multicultural nation of peoples of different creeds religions and nation coming together and living in harmony and being free of tyranical ,fascist and monarchal dictatorships. Yet we as a country seem to emulate all of these stupid ways of governing. We are free yes but as cattle who are free to roam about in the confines of the fences and barbed wire put up by those who would wish to control us.

oops i just realized,,,,,,i am wabble wousing

:p :p ;) :rolleyes: :D

Grendel
12-01-2002, 12:39 AM
Originally posted by KC Elbows
Small pox in blankets was never the norm for behavior, merry.

That's correct. Except if you count all the European countries and others, to which it was the norm.


In addition, I don't think the conditions that lead to the destruction of the native cultures had as much to do with era as much as opportunity. No one was there to stop people from taking land.

What happened to American native peoples was a shame, and it occured in North, Central, and South America, not just in the U.S. Anyone know of another country in which the native Americans exist in their own self-ruled autonomous nations as they do in the U.S. with full rights to participate in the outside culture? Of course you don't, because civil rights are just buzzwords outside of the U.S.A.


Quite a while before, the crusaders tried the same thing, but got spanked a bit.

Just a small point of clarification for the historically impaired. :D The Crusades were about recapturing conquered territory. All the lands under Islam had freely chosen to be Christian and other religions prior to the Jihads of the middle centuries.


Many centuries later, the germans tried, too.

Many tried. Ever hear of the Ottoman Empire? Ever hear of Genghis Khan? A little off track, aren't you?


America was unique, because it got to do things without undue interference from other modern countries once the brits and french were largely driven out. So we took what we wanted using means that, even at the time, were considered dishonest by honest folk. Or are we to assume that the behavior by any nation's military is typical of the rest of the culture?

Good point. The American military establishment supported special interests and ran rough-shod over the rights of many within the territories prior to statehood. One of the better documented was the relocation of the civilized tribes to Oklahoma via the "Trail of Tears" at the beginning of the 19th Century. Things didn't get straightened out for the American tribes until they asserted themselves in the mid-20th century. By then, U.S. society had evolved to the point that they respected the native cultures and people enough to support their own separate paths, but mostly it was through their own hard work.


I'm not saying we should be ashamed.

Well, I agree that those responsible should be. Fortunately, they're mostly, if not all, dead with the times.


I'm saying that thanksgiving has little to no historical backing, it's just an excuse for a decent holiday. Which of us does history
support more on this one?:p :D
Well, we wound up in full agreement on your final point. :D

Regards,

Grendel
12-01-2002, 12:55 AM
Originally posted by The Willow Sword
NOT TRUE DIPSH!T.

Quite correct. He is not the true dipsh!t. That would be you. :rolleyes:



oops i just realized,,,,,,i am wabble wousing

:p :p ;) :rolleyes: :D
That's Ok. It's what you've been trained to do. You're used to getting your way. Too bad Monkey Boy completely upstaged you in the historical fact department. You can only spout anti-American nonsense without backing for your allegations. That would qualify you for a high post in Canada or Germany.

Why don't you emigrate to elsewhere like your common ilk, Barbara Streisand, promised to do? Won't any other country take you in?

Do yourself a favor and seek an education. It is still possible, but try to keep an open mind or the deconstructionists will eat you alive.

Cheers.

Liokault
12-01-2002, 03:27 AM
Wow no one said it yet.


Royce would choke out the pilgrim fathers!





We IMPORT more oil than we export. why do you think the gas and oil prices are so high


How much do u pay over there?
We in the UK are paying 75pence a liter (thats $1.16)

quiet man
12-01-2002, 06:24 AM
Xebs, Serps, Sharky, you all want to be American, you just don't know it. Come on over, we'll have you recite the Pledge of Allegiance every day for ten years and then you'll see the truth about who you are and what you want to be.

Trust me.

Just a little bit closer, come on, it won't hurt. It's for your own good.

eulerfan - only if you promise to imprison us while wearing your leather bikini :D ;) ...

Sharky
12-01-2002, 07:14 AM
"All the lands under Islam had freely chosen to be Christian and other religions prior to the Jihads of the middle centuries."

Shut up. You fool.

logic
12-01-2002, 07:49 AM
MonkeyBoy
There has got to be a better way of getting your point across without bragging or sounding like a loud mouth American.

Grendel
Good job,I agree,and well said.
we also allow the native Americans to have legalized gambling in places where no one else is allowed to do so.

We are not perfect.
we have corruption,greed,prejudice
But I don't think any country is perfect.

www.hpj.com/wsdocs/edit1/USWAapplaudsUS-EUagreement.cfm
news.bbc.co.uk/1/hi/world/americas/1819722.stm[/url]
usa.or.th/services/irc/gmo34.htm

logic
12-01-2002, 07:59 AM
Willow Sword
LMAO on your first posts history lesson.:D :D

KC Elbows
12-01-2002, 08:44 AM
Grendel,
I was wondering when someone was gonna slag me off about the crusader/german tangent. However, I thoroughly disagree about your assessment of the crusades. Freeing those lands was a thinly veiled excuse, gaining those lands was the purpose, and specifically for the catholics. Regardless, the catholics were not at the time always all that friendly to the idea of non catholic christianity. However, that's just a further tangent to the original discussion.

As for the small pox thing, with who was that the norm? Really, it was not the norm in the US, since one could probably count on two hands the people actually responsible for carrying out such dirty work. Just like our dirty work today. A very small group is usually responsible for said dirty work. My point was that this is not revisionism, because it is no different now, merely the technology has changed, not the morality. We have the convenience of using economic power to achieve what in centuries past required blankets with small pox on them. To judge a past moral position that is identical to the present practice does not require revisionism.

"Too bad Monkey Boy completely upstaged you in the historical fact department. You can only spout anti-American nonsense without backing for your allegations. That would qualify you for a high post in Canada or Germany."

Oh, you did such a good job avoiding Limbaughistic hyperbole in your post to me, and then you follow with that?:p :D

Monkey boy didn't state any historical facts, at least not any that didn't have a spin on them. Frankly, what he spouted was pro-american garbage without backing. Especially his assessment of WWII. Not very impressive history, even by my sad standards. ;)

Logic,
"Grendel
Good job,I agree,and well said.
we also allow the native Americans to have legalized gambling in places where no one else is allowed to do so."

Allow? Aren't they supposed to be autonomous?:D

"We are not perfect.
we have corruption,greed,prejudice
But I don't think any country is perfect."

I agree. But frankly, no one really came on this thread and slagged about america, they just brought up various histories, and a couple people made really tame comments picking on us americans. Rush Monkeybaugh took it all personal, because he's angry that other people get charity that he didn't want to give out in the first place, but he's gonna act like he should get some sort of credit for that charity, even if he clearly doesn't believe in it.

Frankly, we're just picking on Thanksgiving. After all, in the modern sense, the only thing that sets it apart from other holidays is that it is about conspicuous consumption of meal items, whereas Christmas is about conspicuous consumption of goods, and Easter, conspicuous consumption of candy products and eggs, as opposed to Halloween, which specializes in conspicuous consumption of candy.:D

Xebsball
12-01-2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by eulerfan
Xebs, Serps, Sharky, you all want to be American, you just don't know it. Come on over, we'll have you recite the Pledge of Allegiance every day for ten years and then you'll see the truth about who you are and what you want to be.

Trust me.

Just a little bit closer, come on, it won't hurt. It's for your own good.

You are mean to me, so no thanx :o

Brad
12-01-2002, 09:13 AM
The indian reservations are OUR third world and it is rarely publicized. The reservations have the highest suicide,,alchohol addiction and murder rate of any major urban city. This so called economic aid that our government provides to the reservations is barely able to build new housing and repair reserve plumbing plus provide proper sanitation.
The casinos that are on indian land provide some help but most of the funds are pocketed by the so called "indian official councils" and in turn they go to support those living OFF the reservations.
What do you mean it's rarely publisized? I constantly hear lots about how much problems the Native Americans have on their reservations. It's even a regular joke of stand up comedians, and featured on tv shows.



"All the lands under Islam had freely chosen to be Christian and other religions prior to the Jihads of the middle centuries."

Shut up. You fool.

You didn't know that Islamic armies waged war forcing people to convert or die in the same way the Catholic Church did? Hell they're still doing it :P Modern day Islamic nations don't have freedom of religion and kill/jail people who have different ideas of worship. Hmmm.... sounds familiar ;)

Anyway, to me Thanksgiving isn't about history, it's about being thankful for what I have and spending time with my familly. Being a white Christian male who's not dirt poor, I'm bombarded with messages reminding me how all the world's problems are my fault every other day of the year. It's just nice once in awhile to spend a holliday with loved ones and forget about all that for a few hours.


How much do u pay over there?
We in the UK are paying 75pence a liter (thats $1.16)
Last time we went it was $1.14. Oh, and on a related note, it's been a well known secret ;) that we could very easily mass produce cars that are much more fuel effecient and clean or that don't require gasoline at all. The only reason we use don't switch over to these better types of cars is because the oil companies are too powerful. Also, without us buying oil from the Mideast there would be no reason for any of the arab countries to stay reasonably civil with us or Israel. America only talks about drilling for more oil because GW Bush is an oil man. Oil companies bribed him...er I mean "contributed" to his campaighn ;) with massive amounts of $$$$$$$$$$$$. Basically it's just his old oil buddies trying to get rich. It's funny how here in America very rich people can openly bribe politicians legally :D Personally I think so many of America's problems in the world could be solved with good campaign finance reform :P

The Willow Sword
12-01-2002, 09:55 AM
behind every "true american" such as monkeyboy and grendel there is a swastika and mein kamph as a stroke book.:rolleyes:

" i might not agree with what you say but i will defend,to the death, your right to say it."

KC Elbows
12-01-2002, 09:56 AM
Brad, better be careful, any more of that reform talk and I'm gonna have to call TIPS.:D

Good point on the crusades thing(wasn't it nice of me to create major thread drift with the introduction of that topic?) Of course, at that point in time, it was pretty big for major religious groups to have a 'convert or else' policy. Must've been a pretty scary time.

KC Elbows
12-01-2002, 09:58 AM
Wiwwow Sword, you're being a wabble wouser again. Wewease Wodewick!:D

logic
12-01-2002, 10:44 AM
Come on now Willow Sword

We do help out alot of people and aid other countries.
(I also wonder how much other countries contribute,are we not generous enough, does any other country leave us in the dust with providing aid)

MonkeyBoy and grendel have there points, without being accused of nazism just cause you don't agree.

eulerfan
12-01-2002, 10:55 AM
Originally posted by Xebsball


You are mean to me, so no thanx :o

I wish I could attribute this to a simple misunderstanding but the tense implies you are talking about an ongoing thing and I know I'm fairly dumb and lacking in self-awareness. If you are being serious, that is the reason. 'Cuz there is definitely neither malice nor absense of respect.

I never intended to be mean, xebs. I'll be more careful.

eulerfan
12-01-2002, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by quiet man


eulerfan - only if you promise to imprison us while wearing your leather bikini :D ;) ...

Hmmmmm. I'll have to invest in one of these leather bikinis of which you all speak. I may rule the world yet.

If only I could grow a long, thin moustache to twist menacingly. Cursed estrogen!

Serpent
12-01-2002, 06:44 PM
Originally posted by eulerfan


Hmmmmm. I'll have to invest in one of these leather bikinis of which you all speak. I may rule the world yet.

If only I could grow a long, thin moustache to twist menacingly. Cursed estrogen!

No. A hot chick in a leather bikini with a mustache would be fukked.

Brad
12-01-2002, 08:32 PM
Brad, better be careful, any more of that reform talk and I'm gonna have to call TIPS.
Odds are they're allready in the process of reading all our posts at this very moment, lol :D

eulerfan
12-01-2002, 08:39 PM
Originally posted by Serpent


No. A hot chick in a leather bikini with a mustache would be fukked.

That's a very American attitude.

;)

joedoe
12-01-2002, 08:58 PM
It all depends on if the mustache was on the bikini or the hot chick :D

Serpent
12-01-2002, 08:59 PM
Originally posted by eulerfan


That's a very American attitude.

;)

You're going to have to be careful. Keep up this teasing and I'll have to tell you what I really think about Americans! ;)

Chang Style Novice
12-01-2002, 09:12 PM
A mustache is merely hair above the lips, so you could still grow one, Eulerfan. Gives a whole new meaning to the noun phrase "mustache wax" though.

Please don't hit me!

The Willow Sword
12-01-2002, 09:42 PM
it the very reason that we stick our noses in other country's buisiness that we are in the economic depression that we are in PLUS the reason that NOW terrorists are attacking our homeland.
we help out countries in times of need and they turn right around and Fuk us royaly. here is a bit of info mr "LOGIC" :rolleyes: guess who financed and armed the taliban when russia attacked afganistan in the 80's?? yup thats right the good ole USA.

We were better off as a Neutral country back before ww1 and ww2,,but there is always some sh!t that happens that makes us want to be riteous and be the guardian angel(note that i do feel our presence in ww2 was warranted).

so i say we pull out and let the b@stards kill themselves over some STUPID Fukin land war that has gone on for thousands of years or some fundamentalist religious rite that makes men AND women arm themselves and kill kill kill,,and all in the name of whatever.... Id rather see our alaskan wilderness get plundered rather then have to deal with the A$$holes over there and their oil,or,go to war with a country that will no doubt be the powder keg that starts ww3.

America USED to be independant. now we are so deep in other peoples Sh!t we choke.

FatherDog
12-01-2002, 10:10 PM
I have but one thing to say about this thread.

http://www.princeton.edu/~moraski2/AHDNA.jpg

Mr Punch
12-02-2002, 01:02 AM
Shut up. You fool.

LOL :D

Beats supposedly accurate unbiased historical arguments against... wait a minute... against whoever was America-bashing this time... Oh that was it, must have been that savage comment about

You silly Americans with your silly holidays...

...

:rolleyes:

Do the words 'knee-jerk' or 'paranoia' mean much to you Monkey Boy/Gretel, as modern Americans? :D Think you should visit Mme Eulerfan for your official 'correction' about now...!

Xebsball
12-02-2002, 03:37 AM
eulerfan i sent you a private message
:)

respectmankind
12-02-2002, 05:53 AM
"You didn't know that Islamic armies waged war forcing people to convert or die in the same way the Catholic Church did? Hell they're still doing it :P Modern day Islamic nations don't have freedom of religion and kill/jail people who have different ideas of worship. Hmmm.... sounds familiar" - aside from that whole, not killing them if they didn't convert, and actually letting them persue their own faith. sorry to wake you up, if it did. history, learn it.

Ryu
12-02-2002, 07:49 AM
"To judge a past moral position that is identical to the present practice does not require revisionism."

KC Elbows is correct.
(To claim that past elements cannot be judged by modern standards is a bit silly no matter if you're talking about science, philosophy, morality, psychology, or theology.)

..... THIS JUST IN! AMERICA'S GREAT!!!
;)



Here's the real truth... (http://images.ofoto.com/photos174/2/43/86/45/15/0/15458643203_0_ALB.jpg)

Merryprankster
12-02-2002, 08:08 AM
Missing the point...

I can judge the actions--but is it fair to the historical figures to judge the persons themselves? I would argue that except for obvious cases of inhumanity, it is more difficult to do that. Of COURSE slavery is wrong, but, was Jefferson a bad man? I don't think it's fair to indict him when he was following the common practices of his day and peer group.

I am not accusing KC Elbows of the following, but I am rather tired of the constant reviling of Western Culture, and the U.S. in particular as though somehow the current "poor" (something else I don't agree with, hence the quotations) state of affairs is historically the fault of Euro-derived cultures.

re: smallpox blankets--no different than chucking dead animals or corpses over town walls during a seige. A common practice in European warfare for ages.

I was reminded of this thread when I was reading an article on a white visitor to a Navajo reservation. The author made a point which I wholeheartedly agree with. The early white americans regarded the natives as savages, and it is currently en vogue to view them as spiritual guardians of the earth, faintly superior to those who identify more heavily with Western Culture. The truth, of course, is somewhere in between.

And so it is with history. An honest review demonstrates both dishearteningly awful and astonishingly great acts on the part of individuals and entire nations, with the majority of the acts somewhere in the middle.

My initial comment was just a bit of exasperation leaking through.

Ryu
12-02-2002, 08:17 AM
I can judge the actions--but is it fair to the historical figures to judge the persons themselves? I would argue that except for obvious cases of inhumanity, it is more difficult to do that. Of COURSE slavery is wrong, but, was Jefferson a bad man? I don't think it's fair to indict him when he was following the common practices of his day and peer group.


Ah, okay. I agree with you then, Merry. :) No, I don't think it's fair to simply label Jefferson as a "bad man" because of the past norms and culture. Though yes, being able to judge the action or the culture itself as 'bad' is an important ability to me. (at least having that option to look at)

"I can judge the actions" is all I really wanted to hear. ;)
We're on the same page.

Ryu

Merryprankster
12-02-2002, 08:26 AM
You and I agree?

Never happen... :D

Ryu
12-02-2002, 08:30 AM
The world must be coming to a close.....

There can be only one of us. I challenge you, NAGA master!
I'll kick your butt!! :mad: ............... uh... at Playstation.. :(

;)

Ryu

Merryprankster
12-02-2002, 08:35 AM
LOL!

It's a good thing you're on our side Ryu....

KC Elbows
12-02-2002, 08:36 AM
"I can judge the actions--but is it fair to the historical figures to judge the persons themselves? I would argue that except for obvious cases of inhumanity, it is more difficult to do that."

I can agree with that.

"Of COURSE slavery is wrong, but, was Jefferson a bad man? I don't think it's fair to indict him when he was following the common practices of his day and peer group."

I could agree to a point, except where we accept his peer group as any sort of norm whatsoever. The founding fathers made up such a tiny group, to relate them to any norm is stretching the truth a bit. More of our culture was defined by the groups involved moreso than any one lone individual, even where that individual held power.

Using that same logic, I can exonerate those of the wealthy class who take advantage of loopholes to pay less in taxes than they rightfully should. Despite the fact that they do not make up even a tenth of the population, they are not the norm, and the only reason they do so is because they think that it is their money, even though they benefit from their country more than other groups.

Why must I exonerate them? Because, I must exonerate those in China before the Manchu's that did the same, weakening their country by taking from it without giving until their northern provinces became easy pickings. Because it is the same thing, I cannot judge those doing so now. Yet, I know it is wrong, and bad for my country, so I can also assume that the same went for China, and hell, I'll just call a spade a spade and chalk it up to greedy *******s in both cases.

:D :p

"but I am rather tired of the constant reviling of Western Culture, and the U.S. in particular as though somehow the current "poor" (something else I don't agree with, hence the quotations) state of affairs is historically the fault of Euro-derived cultures."

I can agree with that too, though I don't tire of hearing it when it is constructive criticism. For instance, I think that only the hopelessly naive think we are good regime builders, so maybe, just maybe, we should consider either working on that skill, or not pretend it's our forte when we go into regions. At the same time, I think we are vital for the world economy. There, one bad point, one good. Everyone's happy, right?

Thanksgiving is still the devil's holiday!:D

"re: smallpox blankets--no different than chucking dead animals or corpses over town walls during a seige. A common practice in European warfare for ages."

Those blankets weren't chucked over the walls. They were given out as 'charity'. Still not the norm, even then. Especially when compared to seiges, where everyone knows who the enemy is, they're the guys outside the walls.


"I was reminded of this thread when I was reading an article on a white visitor to a Navajo reservation. The author made a point which I wholeheartedly agree with. The early white americans regarded the natives as savages, and it is currently en vogue to view them as spiritual guardians of the earth, faintly superior to those who identify more heavily with Western Culture. The truth, of course, is somewhere in between."

Again, completely agree.

"And so it is with history. An honest review demonstrates both dishearteningly awful and astonishingly great acts on the part of individuals and entire nations, with the majority of the acts somewhere in the middle. "

Look here, Mr. Fence Sitter, you're either for Thanksgiving or you're against it. Where do you stand? And what about the crusades? Answer the question!:mad: ;)

quiet man
12-02-2002, 09:14 AM
against whoever was America-bashing this time... Oh that was it, must have been that savage comment about
You silly Americans with your silly holidays

(DISCLAIMER: I have now deleted part of my post, because I had written it prior to reading all that was said here, and because of that, I said something I wouldn't normally have said. It wasn't anything offensive, as those who have read it already know - it was just wrong things addressed at the wrong people. I apologize for the inconvenience and for being an idiot :-))

To the citizens of USA,

Since those are my words, I feel I should say something. First of all, I don't do politics (not in this forum, anyway), and second, I don't do offensive language (not here, not anywhere). I have my opinions (on many things :-)), but I don't express them uninvited, and I certainly don't diss ;-) people. I'm not an America-hater (nor an America-lover), coz USA's just too big to be hated or loved as a whole - it has its good and bad characteristics alike. To cut a long story short - I was trying to make a joke (as indicated with two (2) smilies). So, feel free to "boo" me on account of bad sense of humour, but don't go accusing me of "America-bashing" or "savage comments" - you'd be very much wrong. I'm sorry if I offended you or your national holiday (it was never, nor'll it ever be my intent to do so), but perhaps you shouldn't get offended so easily. Thanks for listening.

CSN - LOL on "Please don't hit me!" :D :D

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:15 AM
"Of COURSE slavery is wrong, but, was Jefferson a bad man? I don't think it's fair to indict him when he was following the common practices of his day and peer group."

Jefferson is a personal hero. I think he was the most genius our Presidency has ever seen. One of my favorite quotes was by JFK having a meeting in the white house with all these heads of state. He said something to the effect of, "I think this is the most intelligence gathered together in this room since Jefferson dined here alone."

It is unfair to expect great men to be completely infallable. I think it's very short sighted to assume he kept slaves because everybody else did it. To think that made it okay for him. I can back this up if necessary, I'd just have to stop by the library. He admitted to knowing slavery was despicable. Of course he knew. You'll have a hard time finding brilliance equal to his.

He was raised with it, he was used to it, he depended on it. It's really hard to give something like that up. It was weakness. I think it is possible to allow the man some weakness.

There are only so many battles a man can fight in his life.

But, he owned human beings. You think he wasn't highly aware of how fu(ked that was?

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:30 AM
quiet man,

I was raised overseas and continue to hang out in international communties. Taking sh!t about your country of origin is just par for the course. It doesn't matter where you are from. People will mock it. It's just an easy subject for jokes. Americans are the only ones I know who get uptight about it. I think it might be because we're sort of cut off over here. We're not used to it. So the humor isn't always so obvious.

I am sure I could say worse than you did to Serpent or Taoboy about Australia and they wouldn't actually get angry. Let's see.

HEY SERPS, you know your country is full of criminals, right? Ya d@mned convict.:D

KC Elbows
12-02-2002, 09:55 AM
Quiet man,

You just said in one lengthy paragraph what what Mat was saying in his short one. That some americans were a little touchy, considering how tame a comment your's was.

Eulerfan,

Cool info on Jefferson and slavery. That's sort of the question: at what point was it clear it was wrong? After all, if having peers that agree is all that it takes for past figures to suddenly become beyond reproach, then Hitler is going to be represented as a stand up guy in the history books of tomorrow.

God how I love blowing things all out of proportion.:)

quiet man
12-02-2002, 10:18 AM
eulerfan,

I agree with you, but there's just one thing: IMHO, the humour will be obvious if you label it with smilies, as I have done. And again, I'm sorry if I offended you or anyone else - I never wanted to do that. Personally, if someone talks trash 'bout my homeland, I take time to examine his words. If he's right, then I shouldn't get upset, and if he's wrong, again, why should I get upset if someone talks through his a$$? I let it pass. But that's just me, and somebody else might get angry. It's not my place to judge other people. I apologize.

KC - yes, I know. Like I said: "First I write, and then I read this thread". My fault. Me idiot :-(.

KC Elbows
12-02-2002, 11:16 AM
"KC - yes, I know. Like I said: "First I write, and then I read this thread". My fault. Me idiot :-(."

You actually read the threads? I gotta try that sometime. I just close my eyes and type. Pretty good, eh?:D

Serpent
12-02-2002, 03:52 PM
Originally posted by eulerfan
HEY SERPS, you know your country is full of criminals, right? Ya d@mned convict.:D

Actually, a study just released has England and Wales as the highest on the ladder for crime density in the world. Which is ironic, considering they thought they'd sent all their crims over here! ;)

Besides, it's what makes us tough and rugged. Of course, in Texas, you just kill anyone that might be a criminal! ;)

KC Elbows
12-02-2002, 04:00 PM
"Besides, it's what makes us tough and rugged. Of course, in Texas, you just kill anyone that might be a criminal!"

That's not true. Only those who can't make it in politics.;) :D

Serpent
12-02-2002, 04:28 PM
Of course! My mistake.

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 07:58 PM
Serpent, are you trying to tell me you don't have a gun rack in the back of your pick up? What kind of backwards society are you living in?

Actually, I'm not from Texas. I'm from Louisiana. That state is a much better target.

Serpent
12-02-2002, 08:55 PM
Is the back of your neck a kinda ruddy colour?

;)

Chang Style Novice
12-02-2002, 08:59 PM
Nah, you silly shrimp barbecueing b@stard. Louisianans have striped tails.

joedoe
12-02-2002, 09:01 PM
That's a prawn - not a shrimp - you stupid seppo. :D

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:10 PM
CSN is right. The term for us swamp living, gator eating, corrupted french speaking, swindling folk is COON A$$. I am not a redneck. I am a coon @ss, you....um.....saucy......no.....that's no good.

Rhyming slang is stupid, HRUMPH!

joedoe
12-02-2002, 09:13 PM
Only if you don't have enough intelligence to understand it :D.

Serpent
12-02-2002, 09:13 PM
OK, coon ass, I can live with that!

And CSN, don't you come the raw prawn with me, mate. Wind yer neck in!

;)

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:15 PM
Originally posted by joedoe
Only if you don't have enough intelligence to understand it :D.

Understand what? What are you talking about? I don't get it.

Wait, where am I?

Chang Style Novice
12-02-2002, 09:17 PM
> And CSN, don't you come the raw prawn with me, mate. Wind yer neck in!

Oh yeah!???! Well...

Huh?

Is that a threat of some kind, or a combination invitation to a seafood dinner and tension-relieving massage?

Stacey
12-02-2002, 09:20 PM
I have reported you to the moderators.

There will be no more calling "coons"

My people suffered under slavery and still live with the reality of racial profiling. I will not see this continue and stand by indifferently.

joedoe
12-02-2002, 09:21 PM
Originally posted by eulerfan


Understand what? What are you talking about? I don't get it.

Wait, where am I?

lol :D

Serpent
12-02-2002, 09:21 PM
It's a classic Aussie-Anglo combination.

Coming the raw prawn is like trying to wind someone up or rile them, trying to put one over. That's Australian

Wind yer neck in is English and refers to the way people kinda thrust their head forward when they're getting tetchy. Wind yer neck in. Pull your head back. Calm down sunshine!

I've got such a mix of cultures in my brain, it's hard sometimes.

For example, coon.

In England that's like saying n!gger.
In America it's short for raccoon.
In Australia it's a brand of cheddar cheese.

:eek:

I live in a state of constant confusion.

joedoe
12-02-2002, 09:23 PM
I Australia, 'coon' is also a derogetory slang term for Australian Aborigines.

Chang Style Novice
12-02-2002, 09:27 PM
In context, coon is also a racial slur in the us. Coon-ass is more of a regional slur, but is undoubtedly related to the racial slur.

But it can also mean raccoon. Or fist.

Serpent
12-02-2002, 09:30 PM
Originally posted by joedoe
I Australia, 'coon' is also a derogetory slang term for Australian Aborigines.

And cheese.

:confused:

Serpent
12-02-2002, 09:31 PM
So coon is pretty universal as a racial slur.

In Australia, the term boong is used more often though, at least in my experience. Whatever term is used, it's ugly as hell to refer to a person by a slang word based on race.

And CSN, how the hell is coon a word for fist!?

Chang Style Novice
12-02-2002, 09:33 PM
It's a bit of a joke:

Coon is pronounced about the same as kune/kuen.

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:38 PM
Coon can mean that here, too. Or raccoon. I've only heard it used for the rodent. You know, I'm not sure what the coon in coon @ss refers to.

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:40 PM
Now that I think about it, it makes more sense for it to refer to a black person. The cajuns and the creoles lived together and intermarried. Even now, if you get deep in the bayou where people don't own televisions and use their boats more than their cars, they don't really get racism. The ratio is about fifty/fifty and they all hang out together. If you have fairly long LA lineage, the probability that you are some sort of mix is about 1.

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:44 PM
Coon @ss

French-Canadian Exiles who migrated to Louisiana. Fur traders. Originated during WW2 when the French soldiers heard the Cajun-French American forces speaking a very old version of the French language peppered with slang, they called them 'conasse', which translates roughly to mean 'cheap *****'. Of course the other non-Cajun members of the American forces heard this as "Coon Ass", and it stuck.

Chang Style Novice
12-02-2002, 09:48 PM
Hmm. I thought it had to do with the long history of racemixing in Louisiana, hence my earlier comment.

Well, yuh live and yuh learn.

Serpent
12-02-2002, 09:48 PM
What's the censored word there euler?

****ing censor. ****es me off.

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 09:52 PM
CSN, yeah, once you guys brought it up that's what I was thinking. Then I had to find out. Gotta love google.

Serpent, it's wh0re.

Serpent
12-02-2002, 09:57 PM
Aha! So, in essence, after much searching and educating all round, you've basically asked me not to call you a redneck, but instead, to refer to you as a cheap *****.

That's pretty funny! ;)

eulerfan
12-02-2002, 10:02 PM
I am NOT a cheap wh0re.

I'm quite pricey.

joedoe
12-02-2002, 10:06 PM
Cheap & easy? Nah. Always easy but never cheap :D

Serpent
12-02-2002, 11:09 PM
Originally posted by eulerfan
I am NOT a cheap wh0re.

I'm quite pricey.

I would expect you to be quite expensive. After all, you get what you pay for, right? ;)

quiet man
12-03-2002, 04:24 AM
... and those leather bikinis cost some pretty penny, too :D ;)

eulerfan
12-03-2002, 09:13 AM
Originally posted by Serpent


I would expect you to be quite expensive. After all, you get what you pay for, right? ;)

Come here so I can give you a kiss for that.:)

KC Elbows
12-03-2002, 09:44 AM
Stop this hijacking! We were talking about the crusades!

Boy, some people will take over a thread when you're not looking.

quiet man
12-03-2002, 10:12 AM
Yes, KCE, they most certainly will. It all reminds me of a funny story I once heard, back in the good ole days, when I was BLAH BLAH BLAH (at this point everybody is either asleep or banging their heads against the wall) :D

Anyway...

eulerfan
12-03-2002, 10:18 AM
Originally posted by KC Elbows
Stop this hijacking! We were talking about the crusades!


Just the crusades? That's a bit tame. Let get it a notch more inflammatory and do one of the children's crusades. That should heat up some collars! :D

KC Elbows
12-03-2002, 10:33 AM
The Children's Crusades it is!

Those were the good old days, Children off on adventure! On intrigue! Off to...hey, watch out for that ambush!

Fortunately, mating is a fairly simple process.

Quiet Man,
I'm sorry, I missed part of that, what were you saying?;) :D

KC Elbows
12-03-2002, 10:36 AM
BTW, children named Stephen should be wary of saviors bearing notes. While he is the messiah, he's also possibly the meanest practical joker in history. However, his dad totally stole his gag with the Joan thing.

Chang Style Novice
12-03-2002, 10:44 AM
Aw c'mon! You guys aren't even trying.

Myself, I am in favor of female circumcision as practiced in subsaharan africa. No pleasure during sex means no nice little girls growing up into nasty sIuts. Of course, if they're raped, it's still their own fault and they should be stoned to death for the crime.

Ahhhh...

KC Elbows
12-03-2002, 11:18 AM
Chang Style Novice, I find it very hard to read your posts now that I think you're burnt by heroin use. Frankly, it's disturbing.

And of course female circumcision is the way to go.

Now go clean up. Think of your family.

Serpent
12-03-2002, 03:20 PM
Originally posted by eulerfan


Come here so I can give you a kiss for that.:)

There should be a big, goofy, red cheeked smilie around here somewhere. ;)

Serpent
12-03-2002, 03:24 PM
Originally posted by KC Elbows
Chang Style Novice, I find it very hard to read your posts now that I think you're burnt by heroin use. Frankly, it's disturbing.


:D

And is nobody going to bring up the disfigurement of women in India by their husbands in atonement for sullying said husband's honour? You know, cutting off noses, gouging out eyes, that sort of thing. It if was done in defense of your honour, it's not a crime.

Who can argue with that, eh?

Chang Style Novice
12-03-2002, 04:11 PM
Sheeyit, I'm too tough for heroin. Heroin injects me to get high. Tried to kick me too many times to count, but he can't do it.

I've ruined heroin's life.

Yeah, I'm just that raw.

quiet man
12-04-2002, 07:29 AM
And is nobody going to bring up the disfigurement of women in India by their husbands in atonement for sullying said husband's honour? You know, cutting off noses, gouging out eyes, that sort of thing. It if was done in defense of your honour, it's not a crime.

Serpent, you forgot throwing acid in the face (pretty sleek). Also, those women in Africa being beaten to death for being rape victims...

So, CSN, if you're the strongest drug known to man... where can one purchase you? :D
And does one inhale/inject/swallow/... you, or what? :D ;)

FatherDog
12-04-2002, 09:08 AM
Originally posted by quiet man
And does one inhale/inject/swallow/... you, or what? :D ;)

Now giving 3:1 odds the reply to this involves eulerfan in some way. Place your bets, gentlemen.

eulerfan
12-04-2002, 09:11 AM
I gots the Jones reeeeeeel bad.

Pork Chop
09-21-2006, 10:53 AM
Dear kind sir I was reading your profile and under your occupation it says drunkard, clown among a few others. What really stuck out was your 35 years of martial art trainng. But I happened to be reading post trying to catch up on some good martial arts reading and were I look first is the guys with the most experience or at least 20 yr. What really caught my eye was a man with your experience starting threads with no martial art context on a martial art forum. So I humbly ask are you just trolling, clowning, or just in a drunken stupor with this thread? also may I kindly ask were you have trained in your 35 yr I mean you private messed me asking who, what and were but like a daddy not wanting to pay welfare you ran and never left your info. All your post and not 1 connecting you to a martial art school.

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