Tan Da....Ta Da...

[Mckind13]

Me again,

Left over turkey just wore off. Have to eat some more :)

In the mean time how about this

Yip Man WCK does not have explicit key words as you might find in the Gu Lao or YKS systems (and others I am sure).

I often see the actual hand techniques as containing (some of) the key words.

Pak - slap

Can mean to slap the opponents bridge
Intercept the attack
Croud him
Colapse the structure
Use Spitting Energy.

Lop - Pull

Can be to pull on opponents bridge
Pull/Draw out the opponent
Stretch out the opponent/ Make him reach
Use swallowing/sinking energy

Tan - Disperse

Disperse an attack/Disperse an opponents energy
Use stillness against motion
Cause your opponent to move while you are stable/strong
teaches proper elbow positioning and alignment
W/ in Tan can see all the 4 energies emerge

Fuk – Detain

Ride on top of an opponents bridge
Detain or neutralize the energy
Use softness to overcome hard
Touch/feel sense the opponents energy

Well enough from me more Turkey Yum Yum

David

[S.Teebas]

Use stillness against motion

Can you expand on this, or give some kind of example where not moving is a good thing?

[OdderMensch]

but I could say someting cryptic like "stillness isn't just not moveing"

J/K

I've used "stillness" in waiting for a hopping opponent to strike when sparring. not waiting like a statue but not skipping/ outmanuvering.

[t_niehoff]

Hi,


Dave McKinnon wrote:

Use stillness against motion
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S.Teebas wrote:

Can you expand on this, or give some kind of example where not moving is a good thing?

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From my perspective, "using stillness to overcome movement" is a fundamental WCK principle, and like any principle has a broad range of expression depending upon one's level of understanding and skill. Dave gave an example of it when he wrote "cause your opponent to move while you are stable/strong"; other examples might be to remain the center of the circle while the opponent moves around the circumference, or to control the center so that the opponent needs to move around it, or to turn the opponent or cause the the opponent to turn inorder to get the flank rather than to shift yourself, and on and on. Lui lao hoi soong (remain as he comes, escort as he goes) is another expression of the same principle as I see it.

Terence

[S.Teebas]

Thankyou Terence for your ideas, i have a question:


other examples might be to remain the center of the circle while the opponent moves around the circumference

Wouldn't pivoting be a better option to face you opponent ? I dont want the guy on my blind side!

[zerozero]

Originally posted by S.Teebas

Wouldn't pivoting be a better option to face you opponent ? I dont want the guy on my blind side!

I would agree with you S. Teebas. Pivoting and facing your opponent is more a function of "jiu min joi ying."

[Mckind13]

Too literal guys,

Think of stillness, as simplicity of motion. Of using the minimal to overcome the attack, and of being the center that your opponent is displaced by.

Stillness is not continuing to face front while my opponent circles to the rear, it is knowing the appropriate action to the appropriate attack at the correct time, distance and position.

Similarly, I can use motion to overcome stillness. Slow to defeat fast, weakness to overcome the strong and vise versa.

While we all could perform Wing Chun in a very singular fashion, where there is one method of use per technique or only one proper way to perform X motion, I hopw we all do not do that.

I think the art needs to speak to you. What does Tan Sau say about its usage? How does the use of this one technique help me understand the system as a whole? What pairing of footwork and hands deals best with certain techniques and energies? Can the application of one technique in many situations lead to a better understanding of the art as a whole? How does that understanding change against a resisting opponent or in Chi Sau.

Does the successful use of a technique dictate the way my art looks or does the art dictate the way I try to make it function.

Do you own the art or does the art own you?

So to turn this into a discussion, what is your opinion of

Receive what comes, escort what leaves, on loss of contact rush in

What pops into your mind right away?

What are five other possible meanings of the kuen kuit?

Can you make those alternate five work against an opponent? Does it stand up?

David :P

[t_niehoff]

Hi,

S. Teebas wrote:

Thankyou Terence for your ideas, i have a question:

quote:
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other examples might be to remain the center of the circle while the opponent moves around the circumference
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Wouldn't pivoting be a better option to face you opponent ? I dont want the guy on my blind side! (ST)

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I meant - sorry for the confusion - that one can remain at the center of the circle while shifting. The point IMO is to make the opponent take the longer route (the circumference), to remain "centered" (stay as he comes) to force him to move around us, thereby losing his center (the kuit tells us "when the opponent moves, he loses his center") and permitting us to "escort" his movement to his detriment. As Dave pointed out - correctly IMO - "stillness" is not to be taken literally (like being a statue) but expresses a specific attitude or strategy. I hope this more clearly conveys my perspective.

Terence

[Mckind13]

TN said - I meant - sorry for the confusion - that one can remain at the center of the circle while shifting. The point IMO is to make the opponent take the longer route (the circumference), to remain "centered" (stay as he comes) to force him to move around us, thereby losing his center (the kuit tells us "when the opponent moves, he loses his center") and permitting us to "escort" his movement to his detriment.


You walk the bow, I walk the string!
Leave second, arrive first.

David

[Sharky]

**** that, hit him before he hits you!

[t_niehoff]

Sharky wrote: Fxxx that, hit him before he hits you!
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A wonderful idea . . . like make ten million dollars and then retire . . . of course, the only question remaining is "how". ;)

BTW, my idea is not to "hit him before he hits you" but rather not to get hit at all. :)

Terence