does your training goto waste if...

[Zhiu]

if you have sex? so if i trained for say about a year and have sex would my previous training be hindered? if so how do I get it back? just continue training or is it like starting at ground floor again?

thanks.

[Zhiu]

sorry let me refine it a bit not to use the sex word too much.
i read on this board a long while ago that someone said that ejaculation causes men to lose jing while it sort of gives women jing.

so if you've practised and had some good internal power would ejaculating from sex sort of take you back a step?

[IronFist]

You went for a year without ejaculating?!!

IronFist

[TkdWarrior]

Big deal?? huh...
lol...one year...:D
it's better to train than not to train at all...
hahaha...
-TkdWarrior-

[Laughing Cow]

Zhiu.

Many of the Masters of old were blessed with quiet a number of healthy off-spring and don't appear to have suffered any ill-effects from it.

Some of the old masters even were renowned for their skills between the sheets.

Everything in moderation is good, go to the extreme and you will suffer.

Just my 0.2 cent.

[Zhiu]

so what you're saying is that it doesn't really affect anything just don't do it too much? sounds good so thanks for the input people

[cha kuen]

When I went to learn some chi kung , the teacher told me that I need to build up my chi. He also said any type of ejaculation ...and it will take 2 weeks to build up my chi again.

Sometimes I feel something weird in my dantien. THen I start hitting up this one hoe a few times and I don't got that weird feeling anymore. If you have a foundation in chi kung , you should notice when your internal...whatever starts to weaken!

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[TkdWarrior]

ejaculation = semen outa ur body...
ejaculation = loosing chi= loosing semen
loosing semen can be build in relatively very short period of time around 6-8 hrs... so u can guess lost chi can be recovered in that time too ??
it not the act but the over act :D of it which'll effect u...?
if u had it once after a year...it's ok dude...u didn't good effort...now stop thinking n start practicing... u r loosing lots of CHI in thinking stupid too...
-TkdWarrior-

[JAZA]

I remember a TCM teacher, he said something like this:
"If you lost jing you are closer to death, having sex is one way of losing jing, but it is a funny way of going to death".

[Stacey]

if you are serious about your training, send your girl to me, I'll keep her happy, enseminate her, whatever, you just focus on hypothetically beating people up and gaining enlightenment.

[omarthefish]

Originally posted by TkdWarrior
ejaculation = semen outa ur body...
ejaculation = loosing chi= loosing semen
loosing semen can be build in relatively very short period of time around 6-8 hrs... so u can guess lost chi can be recovered in that time too ??


not exactly.

Semen is equated with jing not qi. The word for sperm is even 'jing zi' same character 'jing'. There is a relationship between jing and qi but they are distinct. I'd say the 2 week period seems about right to me, but it depends. I'm a little partial to the 'with the seasons' view on the subject. In winter, once is too much. In Spring, ah, it's not such a big deal.

This kind of practice is a waste of time though if you don't have a way to channel the extra energy from conserving jing. Pressure will build.:rolleyes: It is key to developing internal power but it's tricky. In most cases it's probably best to just keep it to a minimum and leave it at that.

[Walter Joyce]

Originally posted by JAZA
I remember a TCM teacher, he said something like this:
"If you lost jing you are closer to death, having sex is one way of losing jing, but it is a funny way of going to death".

FWIW, the French refer to am orgasm as "Le petit mort" or the little death.

[TkdWarrior]

omar i want to agree with u but there's a problem
u know wat if u don't ejaculate ur semen will pass outta ur body in 30-48+ something hours while u pee(it's a fact). so u think by not ejaculating u r actually storing semen then u r wrong my freind...

as far as those equation i proposed :D(seems like genius)
was from ppls' view itself ... just made 2+2=5 :D

and if u r talking about CHI then it's very very headache subject...
storing Chi"life giving breath/energy". how u can store chi??without it u'll be dead. it's already in u..
u r just increasing the value of Chi(bad chi/good chi), cultivation of Chi is not big deal...
having said that i would like to say it doesn't mean that u should go out n go mad with sex :D it's isn't better control ur thoughts
this topic remind me of Zen story about monks n Cat
they used to tie up the cat because she was very much nuisance to them but later it become ritual n ppl hav proposed different thoeries on tieing up the cat or how it helps in meditation etc etc..
Rant stop...
-TkdWarrior-

[fa_jing]

Less frequent ejaculation is very good for some kinds of meditation and internal energy training. However, from a martial arts perspective, as long as you've gone without for a few days before a fight, is fine.

[omarthefish]

Don't take me too literally TKD. I just wanted to clarify the difference between 'qi' and 'jing'. Even the chinese make a distinction between semen 'jing zi' and vital essence 'jing'. Maybee it does just take a couple days to "recharge" I don't know. Look at it this way. Jing is the raw material (from a TCM perspective) that everything else is made of (medically). If your running low (so to speak) your body must use that vital essence to recharge. If you keep the tank topped off all the time, then that jing will be converted into qi or maybee a piece of art or something else creative - increased bone density - or whatever.

As an experiment, Zhiu, TKD or whoevers listening, just start to pay more close attention to the effect it has on your general spirits when you've had too much, not enough, just after, teh morning after, after 3 days without, 2 weeks without. . .You get the picture. Then form an opinion based on personal experience.

Gotta run. bye

[TkdWarrior]

don't worry i m not taking u too literally...
omar i will agree with u...n FYI i hav experimented with my body, because this got too much issue with me when i was teaching yoga..
i hav talked to experts(docs n yoga specialist) about these things.
it take time n good food habbits to recover it quickly(which i always hav :D) when sex becomes craving then it's really really bad for health/mind/spirit, so it should not be craving...
n it's also bad to pressurise urself to completely ignore sex...it'll burn more ur engery/jing/qi/watever...
if u notice i live in India where sex word has become taboo n it's too much abused :( it's the same country which hav rich past about Sex culture,education etc... so the S word is very important for us indians...
if anyone wants i can provide with some Yogic excericise which will help u in stop the urge/craving of sex naturally...
would like to hear from u more Omar...try PM me...
-TkdWarrior-

[Kristoffer]

Can anyone actually post any HARD (;) ) evidence that sex is bad 4 your practise?


..If u can I'll be impressed. Don't beleive everything u read jug-heads

[fa_jing]

Our western culture is too caught up in statistics and studies. It's ludricrous to refer to these for something that you can test out for yourself quite simply.

[Kristoffer]

I guess that is a 'no'.. :rolleyes: ridiculous..

[dwid]

"Our western culture is too caught up in statistics and studies. It's ludricrous to refer to these for something that you can test out for yourself quite simply."

It's amazing to me how people misunderstand the purpose of scientific investigation. You can think that you're testing something out for yourself, but anecdotal evidence is flawed in so many ways. The only way to prove that sex impairs training would be to take large groups of people and randomly assign them to groups having sex or not. If you are basing your assertion on anecdotal experience, any number of factors could be causing your poor performance, not to mention the confirmation bias that will lead you to see the connection because that is what you're looking for.

[fa_jing]

DWID - what are you trying to say? "It's amazing to me how people misunderstand the purpose of scientific investigation. You can think that you're testing something out for yourself, but anecdotal evidence is flawed in so many ways"

If you perform an experiment on yourself, and interpret the result for yourself, is that considered "anecdotal evidence" ???? I understand that self-deception and misinterpretation are possible, but in this case the experiment, repeatable as many times as you want to your own person , will produce definitive results one way or the other in the long run.

"The only way to prove that sex impairs training"
You are referring to proving that sex impairs training for the population at large, not for a single person - yourself. Try going without for a week and see if it adds to or takes away from your practice. If you happen to be built like me, your results will conform with my first post. Then repeat the experiment, but choose different lengths of time, so as to increase your knowledge of this issue w/respect to YOURSELF. We are all built differently.

"Hard evidence" - I can't imagine coming from any study. "Hard Evidence" would be somebody's fingerprints on a murder weapon.

[dwid]

"If you perform an experiment on yourself, and interpret the result for yourself, is that considered "anecdotal evidence" ????" I understand that self-deception and misinterpretation are possible, but in this case the experiment, repeatable as many times as you want to your own person , will produce definitive results one way or the other in the long run."

I understand what you are saying, but please tell me how you intend to cause all other factors affecting your training to remain constant while you control for sexual activity? The answer is that there is no way you can do this. The purpose of studies involving lots of people is that random assignment to experimental conditions should even out all of these problematic 3rd variables within the groups, so you can actually test what you intend to test. Honestly, as long as you are only drawing conclusions for yourself, then it doesn't really matter whether you approach this scientifically or not, as your evidence is meeting your own requirements. It's just impossible for you to use that "evidence" to draw any conclusions about anyone except you.

[dwid]

By the way, in regards to the original question...

It is impossible not to ejaculate if you are an adult male. This comes from a urologist. I had to undergo urethral reconstruction due to an old injury. When recovering from such surgery, erections and ejaculating can really hurt you, so they put you on valium to keep you relaxed. My doctor informed me that this will only work for so long. The only way to prevent erection and emission of sperm (which will happen as you sleep if you give it no other outlet) is to reduce your testosterone level to zero, which is basically impossible for a healthy adult male.

So the idea of not ejaculating at all is a moot point. The idea that getting rid of something that your body produces at a constant rate whether you use it or not seems somewhat silly to me.

[fa_jing]

Originally posted by dwid


I understand what you are saying, but please tell me how you intend to cause all other factors affecting your training to remain constant while you control for sexual activity?

Not necessary. Again, the experiment must be repeated many times in order to come to a definitive conclusion. This replaces the parallel of multiple people for the group test, without some of the problems with the applicability of the conclusion. After a certain number of repetitions, the answer becomes clear. Your brain is able to approximate the influence of other factors.
To draw a parallel, let's say the question was, if I eat one hour before training, will that affect my training, as opposed to waiting two hours or more after eating in order to train? Again, it would be unwise to look to a study for the result. You try it enough times, you figure out what works for you. Some can eat 1/2 hour before, others it bothers them and leads to constipation :). The same issues exist w/regards to whether other factors remain constant, the same response is warranted: multiple repetitions of the same experiment upon yourself. Even better would be if someone assisted you in measuring your performance, but it isn't necessary, like I said your brain is capable of performing the analysis.


Honestly, as long as you are only drawing conclusions for yourself, then it doesn't really matter whether you approach this scientifically or not, as your evidence is meeting your own requirements. It's just impossible for you to use that "evidence" to draw any conclusions about anyone except you.

Certainly. For instance, personally my horse stance max time goes up with the absence of sex, yet if I don't clear the tubes as my Urologist suggested from time to time, it can lead to discomfort and irritation. Other's results may vary, in fact for some people sexual frustration is detrimental to training.

[TkdWarrior]

as far as i m concerned my training never degrades due to ejaculation...my performance never degrades...
i think it's very much in mind :D
-TkdWarrior-

[Kristoffer]

right... :rolleyes:

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It is impossible not to ejaculate if you are an adult male. This comes from a urologist.

"It is impossible not to **** in your bed." This comes from a 4 year-old.
"It is impossible to run a mile in 4 minutes." This comes from a fat-ass.
"It is impossible to climb Mount Everest." This comes from a coward.

LOL, what's the common thread here? Jug-head. ;)