Interesting Bill Jee Article

[FIRE HAWK]

http://www.wingchun.com/ClaytonBilJee.html
http://www.wingchun.com/articles.shtml

[yuanfen]

What do you think is interesting about it Firehawk?

[yenhoi]

Seemed kinda silly.

But, I bet if you did spend 4 hours a day drilling the biu jee, you would be pretty badass. You would need to sparr tho, and of course test your dim mak on prisoners or bulls or something.

[Mr Punch]

Seemed very silly.

I'm as big a martial arts freak as I've met, but I reckon if you trained your biu four hours a day for five years, you could bore somebody to death without having to touch them.

[PHILBERT]

How would you practice such a technique though? In the air? Or on a wall bag?

[yenhoi]

Prisoners and bulls.

[_William_]

Training Biu Jee for extended periods of time... I'll have to work on that when the holidays begin(which isn't very far away from now)

BTW, about the breaking of the boards with your fingers, how would you manage to do that without damaging your fingers? (ie bruising, snapping of your fingers :eek: ) I have read that conditioning of your fingers could lead to damaged meridians.

[TjD]

seemed like a bit of hooey to me as well.

i've also heard that striking hard objects with your fingers can lead to blindness, because of meridians and such... but then again ive also heard spanking the monkey can do the same thing :D

[Grendel]

Originally posted by FIRE HAWK
http://www.wingchun.com/ClaytonBilJee.html
http://www.wingchun.com/articles.shtml

Why that article in particular?

I found these two on the same page better food for thought:

WHO IS THE BEST WING CHUN INSTRUCTOR?
by John Ho (http://www.wingchun.com/johnHo.html)

The Best in the US?
By Tony Wong (http://www.wingchun.com/bestwc.html)

Regards,

[anerlich]

Seems contradictory to me that this article advocates breaking boards with Bil Jee when Mr Clayton's Sigung, William Cheung, says in his book that Bil Jee is not for power striking, and the bend in the wrist is to provide shock absorption so as the fingers are not damaged.

If you have four hours a day to train, I think the time could be put to more constructive use. There are other options to tougening your fingers for striking such as the use of yawara, kubotan, and the like, a renovated version of which William Cheung is now marketing as the "Butterfly Rod" or "BR-103" (the acronym sounds a lot cooler and more high tech, doesn't it!).

As for the dim mak, I have yet to see anything more esoteric than the fairly mundane (albeit effective) results that come from striking anatomical weak points, nerve plexi, etc. There's a quote somewhere on Stickgrappler's site about a famous Chinese wrestler of the last century who fought lots of kung-fu guys in challenge matches and came out undefeated. Lots had the opportunity to dim mak him, none ever did.


I found these two on the same page better food for thought:
WHO IS THE BEST WING CHUN INSTRUCTOR?
by John Ho

The Best in the US?
By Tony Wong


As a student of an Australian instructor, I can see why you need both the "Best" and "Best in the US", as the two are not the same ;)

[PHILBERT]

Originally posted by yenhoi
Prisoners and bulls.

Ok...let's assume I don't have some bulls or prisoners just laying around...how else could I train it?

[_William_]

Practise it on yourself, and observe what happens? :cool:

[tparkerkfo]

Hi Grendel


Originally posted by Grendel


Why that article in particular?

I found these two on the same page better food for thought:

WHO IS THE BEST WING CHUN INSTRUCTOR?
by John Ho (http://www.wingchun.com/johnHo.html)

The Best in the US?
By Tony Wong (http://www.wingchun.com/bestwc.html)

Regards,

What food for thought would you like to discuss about those two articles? I would be game in discussing them. Most of the articals on that page are pretty good. perhaps a new thread would be more proper though.

Tom
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[Grendel]

Hi Tom,


Originally posted by tparkerkfo
What food for thought would you like to discuss about those two articles? I would be game in discussing them. Most of the articals on that page are pretty good. perhaps a new thread would be more proper though.


I found the Bil Jee article to be uninformative. :( Most of the other articles on the web site have much more substance to discuss. :)

Don't wait for me to start a new thread. :p

Regards,

[yenhoi]

Originally posted by PHILBERT


Ok...let's assume I don't have some bulls or prisoners just laying around...how else could I train it?

Well, you have several options. Training partners, your teacher, mom, dad, sisters. brothers, classmates, co-workers, bums, other random people.

You could also maybe steal a bull.

:eek:

[yenhoi]

Another thing that probably would make dim mak more effective is using it secretly or by surprise.

[Ish]

a nice punch in the face seems to work better as a surprise too

[Clint]

I don't know if any of you ever watch ESPN2, but once in a while they have martial arts events on there (usually karate though)that demonstrate some cool stuff. They show breaking competitions. One guy on there actually demonstrated breaking a board with thrusting fingers. It was pretty cool! They said he was able to do this because his fingers were all the same length. PRETTY WEIRD! Pretty rare as well I would think. I don't see much point in it aside from entertainment, but I guess he could mess someone up if he wanted to.:D

[yuanfen]

Clint sez:BTW, about the breaking of the boards with your fingers, how would you manage to do
I don't see much point in it aside from entertainment, but I guess he could mess someone up if he wanted to.
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Clint,
Not necessarily. Hitting a board and hitting a person are quite different things- unless the person is a corpse, ill,
stumbling drunk or senile or an idiot.

[S.Teebas]

Hitting a board and hitting a person are quite different thing..

So is hitting a person and hitting a wall bag. Different, but each has its place. Could be somthing deeper behind the exercise than meets the eye (??)

[yuanfen]

Sure -hitting hard objects can have some
"results"- but on the long run they are not results
that everyone would want. "The "give" of the wall bag is
plenty enough for development.

[barryc108]

I found these two on the same page better food for thought:
WHO IS THE BEST WING CHUN INSTRUCTOR?
by John Ho

The Best in the US?
By Tony Wong

As a student of an Australian instructor, I can see why you need both the "Best" and "Best in the US", as the two are not the
same
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Its pretty clear the authors of these articles, cant see outside the square(Yip Man) they live in. Its quite sad really.
LOL

[barryc108]

<cough>
Biu Jee is for emergencies situations lost centerline etc, not deadly secret stuff
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