San Shou in Feb. 2003!

[Cipher]

Anyone going to the BOC (www.wuma.com) I would like to go and check it out. It lists the directors for the San Shou events as Directors - National Director: Cung Le, Local Director: Scot Sheeley, Advisors: Shawn Liu, Chan Pui, An Ting Rong, Hoi Lee. It starts Feb. 28th. I have heard this event is getting better than before as far as San Shou goes, but I have never been to it.

Anyone know about it have any info on it? I tried emailing and it is hard to get a reply, maybe because it still a little while away.

I would like to attend the sparring matches though. One thing I don't totaly get though is......

C Body gear, Head gear, Shin & instep gear are required
NO HEAD SHOTS ALLOWED

B Head gear, Shin & instep gear are required.
Body gear is optional, Head shots are allowed.

A NO Body gear, Head gear, or Shin gear allowed.
Head shots are allowed.

What exactly determines what class your in? A, B, and C are for adult and children, I think. Anyways, if you have no San Shou experience but plenty of MA, trainning experience then how to you determine what I am assuming is begginer, intermediate and advanced class? I sure as heck don't want to be forced into a begginer match just because I have no San Shou under my belt. While I like to win I don't want a total mismatch either.

Anyone have any info to add here or comments? Please post.

[carly]

What's that freak got to do with kung fu? This must be some kind of hyped, money-making operation or something.

[ShaolinTiger00]

Carly - shhhh... don't talk about things you don't understand..

The Arnold Classic is the biggest Sanshou event of the Year! Every major team will be there!

ABC clases are pretty simple. if its your first time fighting - C class

just a few smokers or some matches under your belt - B class.

ready to mix it up with the best amateurs - A class.

btw - Arnold classic will also have bjj, judo, karate and tons of other events too.

[Suntzu]

I'm gonna beee there… I'm gonna bee there… u know *knock on wood* if everything goes as planned… I been up against san jose and houston fighters but I haven't tested any of the other teams yet… this should be fun… but at my weight… I should have a busy weekend… hopefully…

[carly]

Memo to self - stop taking these things seriously. Laugh at Arnold and commercialism and hype instead of ranting...ok, ok...

[ShaolinTiger00]

yep.

Ah-nuld has always been big on this huge "sport and health" expo (he is mr. national fitness counsel after all) and other martial arts tournies have been there for years.

[Suntzu]

sh!!!!!t… san shou need all the commercialism it can get… put me on ESPN… pay me to train full-time… get my azz up outta this cubicle… I'd do just like Tito and retire at 29… if I was a young boy I'd sneak to China and fight on Kung Fu X… naw not really... but u get my meaning... $500 - $1000 for a fight... u trippin... i want some of the Budweiser $$$... give me some of that Brand Jordan $$$ like ROy get... now thats a rant for dat azz...

[Cipher]

Crap! you mean I have to start at class C? That sucks. No head shots, and that is one of my favorite places to hit.

Oh-well is that the standard every were? If so I may as well get started. Is there no delimiter to years of training other than how many matches you have fought?

At any rate it should be a lot of fun to participate.

[Suntzu]

I think if u really wanted to u could fight B… u could fight A if u don’t mind misrepresenting yourself… but it’s a BIG difference IMO from B to A… I think C div is a cop out or just for the rec folks…

[ShaolinTiger00]

sun is correct.

you can prob go B w/ no problems.

Don't even think about A, until you are "seasoned" or else a nykk guy might "pepper" you!


C class is for the kung fu guys :D

[carly]

What's an NYKK guy?

[carly]

how rough can A class be?
As AAArnold would say, are you all girlymen?

[carly]

The thing AAArnold is interested in promoting is himself.

[logic]

I'm not sure if it's true.

But I heard from a few people that China and Japan idolize Arnold.

[Cipher]

Oh well, it's promoting Martial Arts too so that is good. They are going to have a lot of different arts there, everything from flashy forms, weapons too SanShou.

I noticed on the rules .pdf it says for over about 180 lbs (I think) you have to use 14 oz. gloves, is that the standard size? I know it ranges down to 8 oz. but I don't know what the norm is for San Shou.

I know there are no elbows but isn't it legal to strike with the forarm?

Suntzu,

Your right. I don't want to sign up in class C and then be up against someone who just started Kung Fu 6 months ago. Winning is great and all but I want to earn it not be given it.

Thanks for the replies everyone.

[ShaolinTiger00]

I noticed on the rules .pdf it says for over about 180 lbs (I think) you have to use 14 oz. gloves, is that the standard size? I know it ranges down to 8 oz. but I don't know what the norm is for San Shou.

Sounds right. practically all fighters train with 16 oz gloves. and I believe amateurs must use a minimum of 12 oz.?

"How tough could A class get?" - LMAO - unless you are solely training sanshou, sparring daily with a stable of good fighters and have an experienced, committed trainer - you'll get punished.

no you can't hit with forearms! (If you needed this tactic to win you should probably watch from the stands...)

carly- NYKK - new york sanshou team.

[SanShou Guru]

Carly,

As one of the people that will be putting the brackets together I can tell you that feel free to enter the B division, we have never put anybody in the C division. I personally think C is silly but in my day there were no levels. As far as A division goes; there are at least 5 national team level fighters spread throughout the divisions.

ShaolinTiger as usual is right except, there are more dangerous teams than NYKK going and most of the best NYKK fighters are in the superfights.

Anymore questions? I’ll be talking to Rudi Ott from Boston , sorry, Cung’s school soon and can relay any questions.

[Suntzu]

Anymore questions? I’ll be talking to Rudi Ott from Boston , sorry, Cung’s school soon and can relay any questions. :D :D ;)

[ShaolinTiger00]

there are more dangerous teams than NYKK going and most of the best NYKK fighters are in the superfights.

I wasn't implying that they were any better or worse than any other team. I was just reading a thread from sifu Ross about clinching and the name jumped out. It could have easily been Boston, San Jose, Texas, Ohio etc - they all hit pretty hard :D

[lkfmdc]

A is gonna be dangerous, pure and simple, but just as a note NYKK is sending the following guys into the A division tournament

Adam Resnick - 2 time national champion, most experienced amateur in country, 75% of his wins by KO

Josh Bearegard - undefeated in San Shou, national champion

Andras Gal - San Shou record 3-0 with 3 knock outs, national champion

Xavior Ross - 3-1, all wins by KO

not sure who is MORE dangerous than us....

[fa_jing]

sounds cool - 6 hours a bit too far to drive, though. What's up with that event that was supposed to be in Indiana?

[Cipher]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
"How tough could A class get?" - LMAO - unless you are solely training sanshou, sparring daily with a stable of good fighters and have an experienced, committed trainer - you'll get punished.

Who said this?


no you can't hit with forearms! (If you needed this tactic to win you should probably watch from the stands...)

carly- NYKK - new york sanshou team.

Dude, please don't take this the wrong way :) but that is a pretty narrow statement. Do you think if a Muay Thai fighter can't use their knees and elbows to fight then they suck? If a BJJ person can't use arm bars to win do they suck? If a San Shou person has to use throws to win do they suck?

Now I realize we are talking about San Shou and not Muay Thai and each art has many other moves than what ismentioned etc. etc. One of the main things I like about San Shou is it allows for more freedom than pretty much most other fighting events so what is wrong with using every legal attack? Any thing "can" be a weapon technically so there is nothing wrong with using it if you know how. If the rules say no forarms then that is fine there are still plenty of options.

Maybe there is some San Shou code that if someone uses a forarm they are b@stards, I don't know, I don't mean slip in a quicky and hope the judge doesn't see it I meant is it legal to use.

[SanShou Guru]

lkfmdc we'll talk via email. I don't want to start this again.

Don't sweat it ST I know you know who is who in the sport these days. How's Julio's guys looking?

[ShaolinTiger00]

how rough can A class be? - Carly.

A forearm isn't and will never be the same weapon that an elbow or knee can be, the comparison is grasping and that is exactly what any technique involving a forearm strike would be in a sporting competition. desperate.

[SanShou Guru]

Cipher, you cannot strike with the forarm but that does not mean you cannot use it to grab someone by the head and toss them. Think of it this way. You cannot hit with a non padded surface.

[ShaolinTiger00]

How's Julio's guys looking?

Ask forum member SunTzu - He's a student!

[lkfmdc]

Guru, nothing to "get into", we both know our sport, there is the "Big 7" (Julio team noW included) and there is the rest of the world basicly. IN A level, you have to play with the big boys and ALL of the teams are dangerous and it's very hard to beat them, of course, some will throw you, some will punch you and some will kick your legs out from under you... it's all just different forms of PAIN :)

[SanShou Guru]

Good point ST but now that I think about it I'l just email Julio.

[Cipher]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
[I]A forearm isn't and will never be the same weapon that an elbow or knee can be, the comparison is grasping and that is exactly what any technique involving a forearm strike would be in a sporting competition. desperate.

Sure, it is different. What I mean is "IF" it is legal then there is nothing wrong with using it, and no it would not be desperate (If legal).


SanShou Guru,

That is a good example of using forearms.

[Suntzu]

I've been doin a LOT of running lately:p … I'm excited… I just wish we were as deep as the other teams… but that all in time… I'm just glad the holidays are past now I can buckle down again…

of course, some will throw you, some will punch you and some will kick your legs out from under you... it's all just different forms of PAIN he aint lyin 'bout that...

[ShaolinTiger00]

Sifu Ross - 2 things.

1. I really enjoyed your post on the UG about sanshou clinching. Look forward to your "finished product"- book and/or videos. I'd like to email you for a question on sanshou bag/pad work.


2. Also enjoyed reading your "spinning kicks" thread. nice info. when people critique sanshou you respond with credible facts.

[Cipher]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
Sifu Ross - 2 things.

1. I really enjoyed your post on the UG about sanshou clinching. Look forward to your "finished product"- book and/or videos. I'd like to email you for a question on sanshou bag/pad work.


2. Also enjoyed reading your "spinning kicks" thread. nice info. when people critique sanshou you respond with credible facts.

Do you have a link to the clinching post? It sounds good.

This brings up another question do you guys have any good links with San Shou tacics, trainning tips etc. etc. It would be interesting to read up on.

[Suntzu]

MMA.tv ... they have a pretty good S&C forum...

[lkfmdc]

All the coaches and personalities in San Shou tease and take jabs at eachother but we are really a pretty close lot. And we all do our part to promote San Shou, Cung, Guru, me, Mike Altman, etc all try and give our art some attention.

Glad you like the posts, though at times it is throwing a rubber ball at a brick wall. :)

As more SS people do MMA events, we'll get more respect, also some MMA people are coming to us, so it is working in both directions

[ShaolinTiger00]

throwing a rubber ball at a brick wall.

This is what makes them so great! They keep sending up lobs and you keep knocking them out of the park.. evidence and comedy! nothing funnier than a flailing troll. (I'd know)

SS respect is coming. exposure exposure..

and sanshou guys do rib each other. sibling rivalry.

[ShaolinTiger00]

ROFL

I just found the clip of the 1954 kungfu masters fighting!

Oh the humanity!!

you slap pretty hard.. for a b itch!

[Cipher]

Thanks I'll check MMA.tv

If anyone else has links to good sites, drills, tip etc.etc. please post too.

[carly]

and those people DO seem serious!

[Mutant]

i plan on going to this event, lots of tough training to do between now and then. now that the holidays are over its time to get focused.
cut aaanold some slack, hanging out with a bunch of martial artists in ohio is certainly not an effective way of self-promotion compared to all the usual hollywood cr@p, he does it to promote sports and fitness, not himself, he doenst need that, after all he's the terminator...
can't wait, should be fun

[SanShou Guru]

Where were you last night slacker, we went over a ton of closing and in-fighting drills. We will do a ton of interactive and set stuff during the next 8 weeks.

[ShaolinTiger00]

8 weeks . - you know what that means.

coach has the battle plan drawn!

[Mutant]

Hey Guru, i just got back from a holiday road-trip down to D.C. last night, too late to make training. I'm psyched and ready for some serious work now though! I'll be in tomorrow, see you then (or monday if youre off this wkend) and Happy New Year! -mutant

[Cipher]

I recently watched some of the SanShou clips that SevenStar posted and on one of the swedish clips (I think) the ref stopped and made a motion like no multiple punches, hehe looked like he was trying to chain punch. I didn't see it stopped like that on the other rounds I watched. I know at least at one point you were not suposed to punch tom any times in a row to the face, Is that still the case at most places? Is that the case at the BOC.

I read over the rules .PDF but I don't remember seeing it anywere.

The guys in the clips (Swe) seemed pretty good, anyone know anything about them?

Thanks,

[ShaolinTiger00]

I believe that rule -multiple punches to the head- has been removed from most competition in america. I am not sure about international rules.

[Cipher]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
I believe that rule -multiple punches to the head- has been removed from most competition in america. I am not sure about international rules.

That's what I was thinking but not sure. I'm glad they lifted that rule.




The Chinese guys were really good to. Were the Chinese clips all Chinese fighters or international?