View Full Version : History on Ching Nin Kuen (Youth Fist)

08-23-2000, 10:45 PM
Hello everyone I'm new to this forum so please excuse me for asking any dumb question. My sole purpose here is to be informed from a different perspective.

I would like to know if anybody can provide me with any information as how Ching Nin Kuen & Ching Nin Kuen Doy Dar were added to the Hung Ga system. The form looks to have some northern influence. My understanding is that Lam Sai Wing joined the Ching Mo Association and incoporated some of the forms he learned into his Hung Ga curriculum.


Your new Gong Fu brother HungFist

[This message has been edited by HungFist (edited 08-25-2000).]

Paul Skrypichayko
08-24-2000, 03:27 AM
The only group of people that I have heard about in connection with those forms is Bucksam Kong and his students. Possibly he made it up, or added it to his style.

Erasmus Mingatt
07-18-2007, 04:04 PM
There is a fellow I was speaking to recently who claims that Ching Nin Kuen is a Northern Set that was derived from Hua fist(flower style). Apparently..it is either a modification of a Flower style set or it is an actual set from Hua fist.

My sources have not revealed anything more. I am not sure why Master Kong has incorporated it into his system..

I have heard/read that it is a 2 man set..but I have never seen it performed.


Hung gar
07-18-2007, 04:22 PM
Sigung (Buck Sam Kong) learned it in Taiwan it's northern thats all i know. But si tai gung is not happy about him teaching it.

Sicilian Tofu M
07-18-2007, 08:19 PM
Ching Nin Kuen is on here

Hung gar
07-18-2007, 08:23 PM
Broken arrow ha ha ha. T Town kung fu

Hung gar
07-18-2007, 09:23 PM
solo set i found

07-19-2007, 01:46 AM
chin nin kyun is a northern gungfu set, not a Hung kyun set. the story about Lam Saiwing and Ching Mou Wui is not true. it was incorporated by Grandmaster Gong Bak saan (Bucksam Kong) into his curriculum, not by Lam Saiwing. i have an old Chinese book showing both the set and the 2 man set.

07-19-2007, 06:24 AM

This set is in my Northern system. :eek:

We call it Qing Nian Quan (Young Fist).

07-19-2007, 01:38 PM
double post, sorry

07-19-2007, 01:38 PM
青年拳 = ching nin kyun (Cantonese) = qing nian quan (Mandarin)

look here


08-22-2008, 07:53 PM
i just found a video on the web showing the Qing Nian Quan


and here is part of the 2 man

and found this thread because i was searching for more information about it.

this version is the closest i have seen to a version I learned
but i learned it through a Tien Shan Pai teacher and it was called
Chu Chi Chuan / Zhu Ji Quan (begining basic Form)

the other Tien Shan Pai versions of this set are different from the one shown above and the version I learned (which always left me scratching my head)

here is some video of the trad/regular version from the Tien Shan Pai system (also sometimes called 24 beat)


the 2 man:

It is also illustrated in Master Willy Lin's book "Tian Shan Pai" and he also recently released a dvd teaching the set

interesting to me to find the first video i posted as I always wondered why the set I had learned was very different from the tien shan pai one- and never knew the form had a different name

I had read before that Chu Chi Chuan was a more modern form
being created for the Nanjing Central Gou Shu Institute
(this is from memory so i might be a little off)
there is also a Chung Chi Chuan / Zhong Ji Quan (Middle/intermediate form)