WWE Punk on MTV…

[Suntzu]

whats that show on TV with the WWF wannabes… that one pro stomped out one of 'em and he was all sad and cryin like a beyotch… I never saw a bigger bunch of crybabies in my life… he needed a peep talk to get his head str8… I've shed a tear before… caught an azz whoppin... but dude needed an intervention... but the girl they got on there... she's a hottie...

[MightyB]

But I'm a huge fan of RAW. The best quote ever by the Rock, "You want to serve the Rock a great big ol' piece of Poon Tang Pie. Why don't you just Poon Tang your as$ outtahere."

[Stranger]

What was the event that provoked the beatdown, and who did it to the guy? I caught a glimpse of the after effect, but that is it.

[Kumkuat]

The show was probably tough enough. The guy who did the beating was hardcore holly. holly beat the kid up to set up an example that wrestling can get tough. I think he was just being a jerk and just shooted on the kid just because he can.

[Suntzu]

yeah tuff enuff… I think he was being a jerk… but u don’t have to cry about for two days… or however long it was… u know editing…

[Silumkid]

That episode was weird to me...Hardcore Holly was there as a guest trainer if I remember right. He said he did it to teach the kids that wrestling can be tough and that there are guys in the industry would will take a shot at you because they can. Matt was real upset about it because he felt like his trust in the trainers had been violated. I don't know...I can see it both ways. But at least Matt finished and showed his respect afterwards. I wouldn't be surprised if Matt gets a contract out of it if he can keep his head on and not let it bother him anymore.

[Suntzu]

yeah… I'll give it to him for sticking with it… I guess the 'fakeness' of WWE would give him the false sense of security… I've been lumped up by 'guest trainers'… he||… my training partners lump me up from time to time… I may mope a lil bit… but that was just... sheesh... but they do wanna be WWE guys so it may have been just an act... but MTV finds some of the most emotional people... they always pick a bunch of catfighters and neurotics... but i guess that makes for good TV:confused:

[brothernumber9]

Coach Xia Ba Hao, a sanshou coach and referee for China beat the crap out of me during a seminar several years ago, he even knife handed me in the throat once. Even when I tried to hide behind people he would call me out and ask me to punch him (through a translator, who at the time was coach shawn liu) and procede to pummel me. Some may not agree, but I believe that you cannot show you are hurt, especially emotionally after beatdowns, show you can take it. If you are doing pro wrestling you should expect it Look at some of the other roid freaks like Scott Steiner and Bautista, that dude better believe that they are gonna do the same thing to him but with less compassion.
Julio dinero is the best wrestler any way.

[shinwa]

He was crying out of anger. He said that he may have done the right thing for the buisness, but he did the wrong thing for himself, which of course was standing their and taking a beating when he wanted to fight back out of anger.

heck, watch "The Smashing Machine" on HBO to see Mark Kerr cry after losing to igor. I dunno man, athletes.:confused:

[SifuAbel]

Actually, that response is a mistake. What was right for the business was for him to have have fought back with intesity or at least found a way to tag out and escape. He should have realized that this was his trial by fire. Instead of getting ****y about it he should have given back a little and then met holly with a handshake at the end and stand his ground as an equal. There was nothing wrong with giving what you get as long as its done with a bit of control. These guys do it to each other everyday. Fake or not the lumps come and frequently.

[Suntzu]

heck, watch "The Smashing Machine" on HBO to see Mark Kerr cry after losing to igor. I dunno man, athletes. beelieveee me… I understand…and maybe that’s how they wanted it to come across… I mean shed your tears in a lil corner and move on… he had to have a lil intervention like he was gonna jump off the roof or something… dude might be a tuff SOB but either MTV played him out as a cryin B I or he is one... but hey... he's gonna get the big contract from Vince and i'm gonna keep fighting where ever it is that i'll be going... and thats the bottem line...

[SifuAbel]

Originally posted by Suntzu
... and thats the bottem line...

......cuz Suntzu said so!!!

[shinwa]

Originally posted by SifuAbel
Actually, that response is a mistake. What was right for the business was for him to have have fought back with intesity or at least found a way to tag out and escape. He should have realized that this was his trial by fire. Instead of getting ****y about it he should have given back a little and then met holly with a handshake at the end and stand his ground as an equal. There was nothing wrong with giving what you get as long as its done with a bit of control. These guys do it to each other everyday. Fake or not the lumps come and frequently.

yeah probably, but the trainers are full of a bit if excrement. They probably would have come down on him for reacting out of anger, saying he made the match ugly by not follwing the lead of the more experienced man. Just look at how they kept saying that he has to be able to deal with it or he won't have what it takes to be in the WWE. Yeah sure they say that, but I don't see any other competitors dealing with that, I didn't see it in Tough enough 1 either. Holly probably decided to stomp a mudhole in him because of some face matt made earlier, maybe he smelled or slept with Holly's sister and never called back. I don't know, but I seriously doubt that was buisness related. Holly didn't even look at him when he shook his hand afterwards.

[Suntzu]

anytime u step into a ring… u face getting the crap beat outta u… I think he had a false sense of security… with all that fun and games sh!t with the cast… Holly or whatever his name is brought him back to reality… sh!!!!t… he did him a favor… I bet next time he catch a boot to his face he's gonna step up and boot back...

[SifuAbel]

Originally posted by Suntzu
anytime u step into a ring? I bet next time he catch a boot to his face he's gonna step up and boot back...

darn straight!!!

[shinwa]

yeah but this is WWE, not fighting, the opponents can't really look like they're resistinge ach other too much. So I dunno, he couldn't get up and clock the guy.

[Serpent]

Are you guys actually serious? Are you talking about the fake pro-wrestling where they stamp as they pretend to hit each other and sh!t? You guys are actually taking this bollocks seriously?

Please, tell me I've got it all wrong!

[shinwa]

Not taking it too seriously but it does take a degree of toughness, not to mention general conditioning. We're talking about a show where thes eguys compete to become Pro Wrestlers, and during one a guyw as hit pretty much full contact instead of with the softened blows that are usually seen. That's it.

Just because the sport is pure staged entertainment doesn't mean that these guys can't really fight, or that they aren't tough as all hell. So what's the big deal?:confused:

[Serpent]

Well, it does make a lot more sense if one of these guys was actually hit, rather than the near misses they usually stage.

Man, it's a weird event, that's for sure!

[SevenStar]

you gotta give them props for their hard work though. They train just as we do, harder, actually. And the impact from the slams, acrobatic techs, etc. are real. I'd actually like to see how they would fair against the average martial artist. You might be surprised...

[Serpent]

Well, you'd have to wonder. Remember the old adage, "You fight like you train."

WWE, what little I've seen of it, is nothing like real fighting. Nothing at all.

[Sharky]

meatheads

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Sharky
meatheads

And there's that too.

[Serpent]

What's with WWE anyway? Wasn't it WWF before?

[joedoe]

WWF = World Wildlife Foundation. The wrestling mob had to change their name.

[Serpent]

So what does the 'E' stand for?

[Sharky]

"entertainment", amusingly

excrement might be more fitting

americans love that **** though man, they lap it up

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Sharky
"entertainment", amusingly


Are you serious?!

Aahhaahaaha! That's brilliant. Bunch of ****wads!




excrement might be more fitting

americans love that **** though man, they lap it up

For sure. What's with those Yanks?

[dezhen2001]

WWF = World Wildlife Foundation. The wrestling mob had to change their name.

oh yeh - they got done by the WWF hehe and had to change. i remember now :D

dawood

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Serpent
Well, you'd have to wonder. Remember the old adage, "You fight like you train."

WWE, what little I've seen of it, is nothing like real fighting. Nothing at all.

agreed, however, they do learn a few techniques that are actually found in grappling, so they have a familiarity and they have the mentality and physical conditioning going for them.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Serpent


Are you serious?!

Aahhaahaaha! That's brilliant. Bunch of ****wads!




For sure. What's with those Yanks?

C'mon now... you guys play cricket...

[Serpent]

Originally posted by SevenStar


agreed, however, they do learn a few techniques that are actually found in grappling, so they have a familiarity and they have the mentality and physical conditioning going for them.

Hmmmm... maybe....

[Serpent]

Originally posted by SevenStar


C'mon now... you guys play cricket...

Yeah, but at least they actually play it, rather than taking a concept and then pretending to do it.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by SevenStar


C'mon now... you guys play cricket...

Cricket is no worse than American football or baseball.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Serpent


Yeah, but at least they actually play it, rather than taking a concept and then pretending to do it.

I'll give you that, but at least WWE can be more fun to watch.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by joedoe


Cricket is no worse than American football or baseball.
no worse, but less entertaining

[Serpent]

Originally posted by SevenStar


I'll give you that, but at least WWE can be more fun to watch.

I have to agree. Cricket is quite simply the dullest "sport" on the planet. After golf, of course, but golf is not even a "sport", let along a sport.

[Stranger]

Over the years there have been many great fighters that have worked as professional wrestlers.

[FatherDog]

Professional wrestlers are very good at what they do; putting on professional wrestling matches that are entertaining to the crowd.

Saying that they're bad at "real fighting" is like watching Rocky and saying Tyson would kick Stallone's ass. "Real fighting" isn't what they train to do.

That said, pro-wrestling does require a high degree of physical and mental toughness. Being thrown around like they are hurts, even on a mat, and an average pro-wrestling match lasts as long or longer than an average NHB fight, and certainly much longer than an average street fight. Tank Abbot and Ken Shamrock have both said that pro-wrestling required them to be in much better shape than NHB fighting ever did, and Kazushi Sakuraba, one of the best NHB fighters in the world, has stated that pro-wrestling often hurts much more than NHB fights.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by SevenStar

no worse, but less entertaining

Not sure I agree with you there, but we really are getting into the subjective and away from the objective :)

My problem with pro wrestling is the BS they carry on with.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by joedoe


Not sure I agree with you there, but we really are getting into the subjective and away from the objective :)

My problem with pro wrestling is the BS they carry on with.

And the steroids and the terrible role models and the outrageous merchandising, etc. etc.

/rant

[shinwa]

Originally posted by FatherDog
Professional wrestlers are very good at what they do; putting on professional wrestling matches that are entertaining to the crowd.

Saying that they're bad at "real fighting" is like watching Rocky and saying Tyson would kick Stallone's ass. "Real fighting" isn't what they train to do.

That said, pro-wrestling does require a high degree of physical and mental toughness. Being thrown around like they are hurts, even on a mat, and an average pro-wrestling match lasts as long or longer than an average NHB fight, and certainly much longer than an average street fight. Tank Abbot and Ken Shamrock have both said that pro-wrestling required them to be in much better shape than NHB fighting ever did, and Kazushi Sakuraba, one of the best NHB fighters in the world, has stated that pro-wrestling often hurts much more than NHB fights.

Just because "real fighting" isnt what they do for sport/entertainment doesnt mean that they can't really fight out there in the streets. That's not very wise. They're big, they're strong, they can punch, they can choke, you shouldn't underestimate them anymore than you would your average kid on the street. Pro Wrestling is a job.

[Ford Prefect]

I respect those WWE guys for all the abuse and hard training/conditioning they go through. Most are pretty good athletes as well. Angle is a gold medal wrestler and the Rock was a stand-out d-lineman for the University of Miami. He would have gone into the NFL is he hadn't gotten injured. I'd say they'd cross over well into real fighting if it was ever worth it to them.

[brothernumber9]

pro wrestling in the 40's and 50's was almost exactly what NHB is today, different style competitors were called "hookers" and "shooters". It would have been really interesting to see how pro wrestlers of then would do in their prime against MMA fighters of today.

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by SevenStar

no worse, but less entertaining

Not sure about less entertaining.

I like the day/night matches.

Bring a cooler-box of beers & grub and join the BBQ/Braai.

Now you can't do that during a WWE event.

:D :p :D

[LeeCasebolt]

pro wrestling in the 40's and 50's was almost exactly what NHB is today, different style competitors were called "hookers" and "shooters". It would have been really interesting to see how pro wrestlers of then would do in their prime against MMA fighters of today.

You're off by about 30 years - wrestling's been a pure work since at least the 20s, and in large part long before then. At the same time, it's always had it's legit tough guys and capable fighters. I'd love to see how Danny Hodge, Ad Santell, or Martin Burns (among others) would've done against a contemporary Gracie or Oriental martial artist.

Lee Casebolt