Sensitive shins

[red5angel]

Well, I am going to be starting a muy thai class here soon, pretty regularly and my shins appear to be extra sensitive at the moment. Anyone have any good ways to get them toughening up quick?
I had heard that roling a bottle in a towel or something works well in the beginning?

[Suntzu]

it wont happen quick...

[rogue]

If it's a good MT school they'll tell you what to do. You probably won't be going shin to shin all the time without shin guards.

[red5angel]

Hmmm, well you guys aren't being very helpful, which means I may have to challenge your mothers to a match or two just to teach you a lesson.

Let me try this again ;) I know my shins won't get tough over night, and I also know that the school itself will have some ideas, BUT, I got on this forum so that at times, when I had martial questions I would be able to discuss them with other martial artsits....so, that said.....

HOW DO I MAKE MY ****ING SHINS TOUGHER!!!!!!

:D

[MightyB]

HOW DO I MAKE MY ****ING SHINS TOUGHER!!!!!!

You can start by stopping being such a pus$y.
:D

[fa_jing]

I can hook you up with some top-quality Dit Dao Jow if you come to Chicago.

Also, I recall that I smashed my shins several times during sparring, and that after a while, they toughen up some. But try not to clash too much. Just 'cause it's Muy Thai doesn't mean you have to train like that stud in "Kickboxer" :D

[kenso]

I like using a wooden dowel, about 18" long and 1 1/4" diameter. Start by lightly banging with the stick up and down the shin. Don't forget the inside bone - for me that's the most sensitive. When you've had enough of that, then use the stick to rub the lumps out. If you have Dit Da Jow, definitely use it. You should be able to increase the intensity over the course of a few weeks. Good luck.

[red5angel]

That's it MightyB!!!! Your mom is mine!!! She is going down!!!!

LOL! @ Fa_jing! I wont be kicking trees or rocks for a while anyway! My shins tend to be more sensitive then most I think. My forearms were the same way until I took up wingchun, now they seem to be more durable anyway!
Actually I may be swinging through chicago here soon, I may have to look you up!

[rogue]

Ooooo, ooooo my wittle shins are sooooo sensitive, what ever should I do?

Do what we real men do! Kick bannana trees, you big wuss.:D

[red5angel]

ROFL@ Rogue, hey no problem, oh wait, only one actually, I live in the arctic north!!!! No banana trees here....

[prana]

I use to roll coca-cola bottles, those olden day coke bottles on my sheens. They had those ribs that bite into your sheens.

Apart from that, give it a few knockings a day, but warm her up slow. If you go hard too quick, you wont be able to walk properly for days to come.

Good luck, and remember, SLOW !!!

[yenhoi]

Di da jow helps. Bottle wrapped in towel and chopsticks, and eskrima sticks, brick walls, etc, are all second to actually smacking your shins vs other shins and bearing the pain.

More thai rounds is what you need.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by red5angel
ROFL@ Rogue, hey no problem, oh wait, only one actually, I live in the arctic north!!!! No banana trees here....

So use a ****ing pine tree, you *****!

[straight blast]

I had heard that roling a bottle in a towel or something works well in the beginning?

It's just a legend :( . Kick your way around the bags from lightest to heaviest over and over again. Kicking tightly bound clumps of PVC pipe does wonders too...simulates the feeling of a shin clash quite nicely without doing all the damage.

Other than that time and a few embarrassing falls to the floor when your leg won't support you after a clash is all it takes.

Good luck!

[Marky]

Hi everyone,

I've found a few good ways to condition your shins.

a) Get a job as a painter. Don't work below twenty feet and move the ladders yourself. Since you'll end up using your shins to brace the ladder, you'll have stronger shins pretty soon. Unfortunately, if you work for ten or more hours a day, you'll get some pretty bad bruises.

b) A better and more controlled way is (at least, the wing chun way) with a wooden dummy. Just practice the basic leg conditioning drill (I think it's jut, tan, pak gurk). However, on the first strike where you would normally use the Achille's tendon, slowly turn your leg so you're striking closer and closer to the shin. This method allows you to more precisely guage the amount of conditioning you get. It takes time, and like the forearms, jow helps during the conditioning time. And you may have the pesky problem of having to buy a $700 dummy.

[SevenStar]

he does sound like a wuss, doesn't he? :D

Just kick the bag. Kick the bottom of it, it tends to be harder. just like anything else, there really are no shortcuts to getting it quick - just grin and bare it.

Are you still doing WC, or did you stop altogether?

[Former castleva]

Shins tend to be sensitive,that´s why they are some of the major targets in self-defense education and martial arts...
They just cannot take it.

:)

This is a point that you might like to take into account when training,be careful and calculating rather than tough and damaged.

[txwingchun]

I found that from my skateboarding days years ago that after slamming a skateboard into my shins numerous times has made mine very tough. I suggest the same it's a fun way to toughen them.

[Marshdrifter]

Lightly tap your shins against something, like the wooden dummy
or the dummy's leg. Do it a lot, but do it lightly. Some bruising may
occur, but after some time, you stop bruising, then it stops hurting
as much, then you add more force and repeat as needed. You
don't want to start banging away really hard at first because this
can cause microfractures (those are bad).

[ShaolinTiger00]

As Seven Star correctly stated. repeated kicking of the heavy bag is the only legitamite answer.

Don't Tap your shins with wooden sticks or agains wooden dummies!!


you kids...



Here buddy, dug this up for you from my Brooks Miller a Muay Thai instructor in Virginia.

Conditioning the Shins
I've decided to do a short post on shin conditioning, as this topic keeps rearing its ugly head (over and over and over...)

1. Kick the Heavy Bag and/or Thai pads. You should kick over 100x's each day. I recommend 500x's, or around that figure.

2. Stop every so often and massage the shins vigourously to get the blood flowing back into them. This promotes faster healing of the bruised flesh and any damage to the bone.

3. Do not "tap" or "beat" your shins with sticks, boards, bottles, etc. This causes bruises, knots, etc to form on the shin. These painful little areas may stick with you for quite some time. My BJJ instructor has had a shin injury last for over a year b/c of improper shin conditioning.

4. Optional exercise: find a cylindrical object such as a rolling pin or bottle, and roll it lightly up and down the full length of the shin. Do this for at least 20 min's per shin.

There has been mention of the popular myth that in old age, Thai boxers shins become soft. Believe me, this is NOT TRUE! I have spoken with many older, retired Thai boxers, none of them have experienced any detrimental health issues concerning the conditioning of their shins and legs. I also s/w a medical professional, and to the best of that person's knowledge, the only likely explanation would be if someone had osteo-perosis (sp?), where the body leaches calcium from the bones when there is not enough in the diet. (Thailand is still in many ways a third world nation)

***As a note, I have not tried our friend Fu, Ren-Li's shin/muscle conditioning exercises. My knowledge of internal training methods is a few steps below the novice level, but one of SuriyaSak's Muay Thai instructors is also an internalist, and one of his instructors in Internals was once a Thai boxer in Thailand. They have backed up Fu, Ren-Li's statements to date, so I'll not argue.***

Posted to Usenet's rec.martial-arts Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:07:22 GMT

I always forget something...

When you start kicking the bag, start kicking lightly at first. Gradually increase the power so that you are kicking full power around your 30th kick.

Don't forget to stop every so often to massage your shins! You might also like to invest in Boxing Liniment (basically it's Ben Gay). Massage your shins with that before and after you kick, if available.

Posted to Usenet's rec.martial-arts Sun, 16 Apr 2000 00:19:54 GMT

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Khun Kao Charuad
SuriyaSak Muay Thai at USDC

[ShaolinTiger00]

and enough with the dit da jow. its garbage! there are plenty of better anti inflammatories. Flex-all 454, Bio-Freeze, Ben Gay etc. work much better.

while dit da jow may have been the flex-all of days gone by, medical science has given us better products.


If someone mentions freeing up "blocked" chi, I'm going to phoenix eye punch you!

[Merryprankster]

Funny, when I have a chi blockage, I use epsom salts and dan dan noodle and either the ching da pork or Ma Po Tofu from the nearest szechuan restaurant (honestly the very best I've had. Hole in the wall, and WONDERFUL)

[ShaolinTiger00]

fiber will help your chi flow regularly. blockage? try prune juice.

[Arhat of Fury]

You can use a good old fashion rolling pin and some good jow. Be sure to roll all 3 plains of the shin. Also with this do some roundhouses on a heavy bag but use your shins, again turn your foot to thit all 3 plains. start soft, finish fast and powerful.

This is what I used, seemed to be safe.
P.S. Sorry if im repeating, didnt read all the posts.

AOF

[cogg]

we use a heavy, metal bar to roll up and down shins and also a bundle of chopsticks to beat with but not hard enouh to cause lumps. And we use GOOD OLD DIT DA JOW!!!!!

[Golden Arms]

Ditto on what Arhat of Fury said. Hit the 3 planes on the bag, roll the shins, and RUB them out afterwords to get blood flowing. And dit da jow is not just an anti inflamatory (sp?). So if you can get a good Dit Da Jow, you can improve your recovery times a bit between sessions...oh and experience has found that if you do it ever other day VS. Every day, you will get better results as your body has some time to repair. Overall, conditioning works better if you do a little bit at a time very regularly, vs doing a LOT once or twice a week. Just my 2 golden taels.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by ShaolinTiger00
and enough with the dit da jow. its garbage! there are plenty of better anti inflammatories. Flex-all 454, Bio-Freeze, Ben Gay etc. work much better.

while dit da jow may have been the flex-all of days gone by, medical science has given us better products.


If someone mentions freeing up "blocked" chi, I'm going to phoenix eye punch you!

Don't dismiss something because you are ignorant about it.

"Anti-inflammatory". :rolleyes:

[ShaolinTiger00]

Don't dismiss something because you are ignorant about it.

With 10 years in the chinese arts I'm qualified and happy to tell everyone that it is crap and should not be used.

Can anyone provide me with one single piece of evidence that this "magic wine" has any properties that make it better than anything you could buy at a pharmacy?

It is used as an anti-iflammatory and a poor one at that.

Idiots.

[ShaolinTiger00]

a few notable quotes..

FOLKS - THIS IS THE 90'S. A Ferrari is a heck of a lot better than that Model T of Granddad's if you're not talking about nostalgia and history

"Sifu, with all due respect, doesn't that hurt??" He said, "Yeah, it hurts like hell!!" So I proceed to adjust his neck and head. After, he said to me, "That was very good, but I have something at home that works just as good. Come drive me home and I will share it with you." Now here I am, I'm going to this Sifu's house to be revealed a secret Chinese magic herbal preparation. How would you feel? So I drive him home, and we go upstairs into his apartment. "You wait here, I'll be right back." He goes into another room and returns. "Here, this is very good for head pain." And lo and behold the magic herbal is ... Tylenol. This is the 90's, folks.

Whether you like it or not, today's Ben Gay is ancient Tiger Balm.

[Former castleva]

Never forget about running,walking and weightlifting...
Natural and safe methods to promote bone mass too,where weightlifting is among the most effective with lots of resistance.
One can enable himself to feel no pain trough hard conditioning,in other words,notably damaged nerves.
I´m not putting down specific shin conditioning,just pointing out a few spots.

[Merryprankster]

Vioxx.

Bloody f'in magic.

[eulerfan]

I have a question about this. I forgot my shin pads once and decided to just spar without them. I sparred this one guy who has iron shins. I ended up with a huge bruise centered a few inches above my right ankle right on the side of my shin bone.

When the bruise went away, there was this knot there and it hasn't gone away. It's been a couple of months since the bruise has been gone but the knot is still there.

Anybody familiar with such a thing?

[Merryprankster]

Yes.

Massage it. You should have massaged it the minute you knew you were bruised, HARD, and iced it. Too late now, so massage it. And do it hard.

Quite frankly, it hurts like hell to massage a shin bruise properly. But it keeps you going instead of swollen and unable to walk! :)

[ShaolinTiger00]

Bio Freeze was recommended to me by a sport' medicine specialist (not sold over the counter but can purchase at similar doctor's offices w/out perscription) and I swear by it.

[Ming Yue]

Euler,
I have a permanent divot in my left shin from the same experience. The bruise was so bad the bottom of my foot was black for over a week. That was a couple years ago and the dent is still there.

I agree with the general thread sentiment, and suggest you not train with anything hard/wooden at first. If you use the bottom of the heavy bag you'll bruise less and be able to work at it more.

anyone have any thoughts on wrapping/taping the shins before conditioning? could that help or does it just immediately label you as a sad and pathetic weakling? ;)

-cyn

[fa_jing]

don't know about anti-inflammatory - but very good for removing bruises and toughening the skin. There are lots of different formulations so YMMV. SevenStar liked the Jow that I hooked him up with.


Of course nothing beats the variety and effectiveness of Western Meds as a whole. But natural herbs are great, in some cases more effective than the equivilent drugs. People in South America and Jamaica are using all kinds of plants that grow nearby, this is called Remedio Casero ("home remedy") and there are all sorts of uses that have not been researched one bit by Western Medicine. They have all sorts of plants that they'll rub on or boil and sip or take a steam bath in, for different ailments. One plant that appears in my Dit dao Jow is tobacco leaf, which is used down south for taking out bruises too. So it's not just Chinese and Aryuvedic people that are using natural herbs. I'm not saying that 5-element medicine is scientific, I'm saying that lots of experimentation with natural herbs has led people to identify healing properties that aren't always familiar to Western doctors or sports scientists or whatever, in all parts of the world.

Western Medical Snobs, you are.

[ShaolinTiger00]

fajing - it does not "toughen" skin. skin is an organ. maybe repeated banging your knuckles like a nut will make callouses but ther is no substance that makes the skin thicker or more resistant to abrasion.

Folk Remedies! Of course they "can" work. they are the base of medicine. But this isn't 1600, and you don't have to put a tobacco leaf on your bruise, when you can get a better product.

[fa_jing]

I'm just saying that there are some particular ailments for which a folk remedy is better or easier to take than the pharmeceutical stuff. For instance, my wife has found a Kidney Wellness tea from Mexico that has completely eliminated her symptoms of Gout. She never tried the prescription Gout medicine, but why bother when natural herbs do the trick?

At the same time, don't get me wrong. Western Meds are a huge boon to people in third-world countries and overall far more important to them. They wouldn't be nowhere in the Carribean without Metronidazole and other pharms, for fighting parasites and infections, diarreah etc.

I've heard that the poorest often can't afford certain meds, so they'll cure things any way they can. Got head lice? Wash your hair in Gasoline! etc.

regarding skin toughening - doesn't exposure to sunlight make your skin leathery? Couldn't a chemical do the same thing? I never used the Jow enough to speak to this, I just found it good for healing bruises more rapidly. BTW it smells bad, but not as bad as Ben Gay. :)

[Ming Yue]

Exposure to the sun damages the skin and the basal cell structure, doesn't thicken it -- it looks more leathery, but it's actually not tougher.

[fa_jing]

Really - well I'll have to cancel my nude Iron Skin training I had planned for this summer in the Mojave Desert. And no need for that backyard swimming pool full of Dit Dao Jao I was going to tote alone behind me for hourly bathing. :D


You're right, those traditional training ideals are pure quackery.
(Goes back to pounding my nuts with a hammer)

:eek:

[Ming Yue]

It's a shame you're not going through with that training regimen, you'd be the mightiest raisin warrior in the cancer ward. :)


-cyn

[eulerfan]

MP,
Your name always sounded vaguely familiar to me.
I was talking to my brother last night and he was telling me about this Tom Wolfe story he was reading. I said, "Yeah, he's good. He wrote a book about Ken Kesey, the guy who wrote One flew over the cuckoo's nest. He was...........blah, blah............and they called themselves the merry...oh, wait a minute."

Is that what it's from?

[Souljah]

In reply to Reds initial q.
(sorry , i caught this thread late)

One good way I know if you have two people is the old roundhouse kicking and shin-blocking exercise. Not only does it toughen them up but gives you an idea of the power used and how much you can withstand (gradually kicking harder & blocking with more resistance).

But if your on your own, I just used to knock things against my shins - in particular I used to practice my drum rudiments on them instead of using a pad or pillow. I think I can safely say it helped me build them up ok.

[Merryprankster]

Euler...

Yup :D

[FatherDog]

Yeah, ignore all that stuff about being in the military and ring-fighting and BJJ. MP's really just a big 'ol Tai Chi hippy.













:D

[Merryprankster]

Patchouli anyone?

I just made a big batch of homeopathic soap. Who's up for a cleansing, balance restoring soak?

[eulerfan]

If Gene couldn't sell me on granola, there's not a lot of hope for your homeopathic soap.

You people are always trying to dull my hatred. What's up with that?:D

[SevenStar]

I think you're cute when you look hateful ;)

[eulerfan]

Like this?

:mad:

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by eulerfan
Like this?

:mad:

Awwwwwwww...

[eulerfan]

Hmmmm. That's no good. I don't want cute. I want fearsome.

How about if I add sound effects?

How's this?

:mad: grrrrrrrrr

[Xebsball]

the secret to maximum flip-out is on the avatar, the avatar eulerfan! the avatar! :mad:

[Tsukasa_1]

I use a bamboo stick and hit my shins with it.

[Volcano Admim]

Well, obviously none of you live in tough neightborhood, rich and spoiled train martial art dad pays i know you do, sifu back kick the table for you too. i dont know you rich trian martial art for have dad pay everything for you when i was children i kicked table everyday and tough pelvis skin.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan
Hmmmm. That's no good. I don't want cute. I want fearsome.

How about if I add sound effects?

How's this?

:mad: grrrrrrrrr

Ooooh! Dayum, she hot!

;)

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Volcano Admim
Well, obviously none of you live in tough neightborhood, rich and spoiled train martial art dad pays i know you do, sifu back kick the table for you too. i dont know you rich trian martial art for have dad pay everything for you when i was children i kicked table everyday and tough pelvis skin.

What the fukk?

Anyone able to translate that?

[Former castleva]

I think Volcano Admin is saying that when it comes to kicking the table,the kick does the conditioning work strengthening the related tissues in an effective manner.
When saying "sifu kick the table for you" he might mean that to say as if "sifu kick you for you",as conditioning it would be similar to the exercise of hitting yourself which indeed,may condition you-whether positive or not.
Just my short,humble translation.
Maybe Volcano Admim would like to comment on this.

[eulerfan]

"spoiled train martial art dad pays i know you do"

And this is clearly a comment on how drug use supports terrorism.

[Chang Style Novice]

My shins like romantic movies, quiet talks by candlelight, the poetry of Maya Angelou and Rumi, and long walks in the rain.

That is all for now.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
My shins like romantic movies, quiet talks by candlelight, the poetry of Maya Angelou and Rumi, and long walks in the rain.

That is all for now.

That's cos your shins are gay.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan
"spoiled train martial art dad pays i know you do"

And this is clearly a comment on how drug use supports terrorism.

It's clearly a comment on something, but gawd knows what.

[ricksitterly]

Dont u all see!!!!???? Volcano is tryin to RAP!!!! He's bustin rhymes, tryin to go big time, and he figured by rappin about something martial arts related , in this heavily trafficked forum, was his BIG CHANCE! (Unfortunately he couldnt get off the crack and his brain is damaged so he cant form coherent sentences)

Amazingly, a lot of the stuff DOES rhyme. It's like, the special olympics for rappers. It's touching really, how he was able to overcome his mental disability with phonics and still manage to make rhymes... or something. Look :
I 'll capitalize all the words that rhyme and try to imagine these lyrics being rapped with the music to "YMCA" by the Village People in the backround.


Originally posted by Volcano Admin
Well, obviously none of you live in tough neightborHOOd, rich and spoiled train martial art dad pays i know you DO, sifu back kick the table for you TOO. i dont know you rich trian martial art for have dad pay everyTHING for you when i was chilDREN i kicked table everyday and tough pelvis SKIN.


Just an example. Volcano is a retar... i mean genious.

[Marky]

Hi all,

I just had to ask if Eulerfan's name is a reference to the mathematician who pioneered modern complex number theory and devised the standardized complex notation, or if I'm just a big geek.

[Chang Style Novice]

Are those mutually exclusive possibilities?

[Ming Yue]

ok so english is apparently not an easy second language to learn, but to confuse your pelvis with your shins AND misquote beastie boys lyrics in one post?


That's just wrong.

[ricksitterly]

hahah that's a good idea for a new language class they offer at the local community college : "rapping with english as a second language"

[Oso]

ok, so like in the first 6 years of my kung fu training it was my
sifu that did my shin conditioning for me...


...by making me spar all the time and toe kicking the sh it out
of my shins every time I tried to kick.

it worked.

now I have lumpy, semi numb shins.

but chicks dig them so it's ok.


****edit****

woo hoo broke 300, g'night gracie

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Marky
Hi all,

I just had to ask if Eulerfan's name is a reference to the mathematician who pioneered modern complex number theory and devised the standardized complex notation, or if I'm just a big geek.

Excuse me for speaking for eulerfan, but yes, it is in reference to the mathematician. eulerfan is a hot mathematician martial arts chick. Gotta love that.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Oso
****edit****

woo hoo broke 300, g'night gracie

Amatuer.

[Oso]

yea, well...sometimes I train.

;) :D :)

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Are those mutually exclusive possibilities?

Let p and q be propositions. The propostition "p or q" is false when both p and q are false and true otherwise. The proposition "p or q(but not both)"also said "either p or q" is true when exactly one of p and q is true and false otherwise.

So, Marky's question does not imply exclusivity, if you read it kind of weird.

Does that answer your question, Marky? ;) :D

[Marky]

"Does that answer your question, Marky?" EF

Yeah, but for me, it's Wessel or nothing.

[eulerfan]

FOOL!!!

[Oso]

FOOL!!!


Marky "Does that answer your question, Marky?" EF

Yeah, but for me, it's Wessel or nothing.


eulerfan quote:
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------
Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Are those mutually exclusive possibilities?
--------------------------------------------------------------------------------



Let p and q be propositions. The propostition "p or q" is false when both p and q are false and true otherwise. The proposition "p or q(but not both)"also said "either p or q" is true when exactly one of p and q is true and false otherwise.

So, Marky's question does not imply exclusivity, if you read it kind of weird.

Does that answer your question, Marky?




hey, hey, hey...if you two are going to do that freaky math sh it
then get a room !!

[Serpent]

I'd like to watch.

[Marky]

"FOOL!!!" EF

I used to like Gauss but he stopped returning my calls.

[SevenStar]

What happened to talking about shins?

[Serpent]

Originally posted by SevenStar
What happened to talking about shins?

This is KFO, you fool. How could a thread possibly stay on topic past the first couple of pages?

[SevenStar]

you're right - what was I thinking?

[Serpent]

Originally posted by SevenStar
you're right - what was I thinking?

It's ok. Optimism is a good thing. It's just wasted on KFO.

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by Marky
"FOOL!!!" EF

I used to like Gauss but he stopped returning my calls.

*squints surreptitiously*
You're a d@mned, dirty physicist, aincha?

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan


*squints surreptitiously*
You're a d@mned, dirty physicist, aincha?

Heh heh heh. Geeks getting feisty!

[SevenStar]

Turns ya on, eh?

[dezhen2001]

his is KFO, you fool. How could a thread possibly stay on topic past the first couple of pages?

agreed - you have to remember the 3 page rule! :eek:

dawood

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by Serpent


Heh heh heh. Geeks getting feisty!

Excuse me but, as an Australian, you have no room to talk. You have no idea what physicists are doing to this country. A lot of us want to just section off one little piece of the U.S. and let the physicists have that.

Don't get me wrong. Some of my best friends are physicists. But, they are very different from us. If they start dipping into our gene pool, well, I will fear for the human race.

[Marky]

Ah, physics... all the joys of hypothesis testing without all that pesky engineering. I'm more of a mathematics person myself. While physics is not witout it's charm, I know too many creepy physicists.

However, I apply math (and invariably, physics) in my study and use of martial arts. I tried explaining that to all my friends... and they both stopped talking to me.

Regardless of what you do to condition your shins, the key is a slow graduation to prevent bruising. If you're bruised you can't condition anymore. I know using a wooden dummy isn't a common technique (or is it?), but it DOES work. Maybe not as well as some methods others have tried, I honestly don't know.

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by Marky
However, I apply math (and invariably, physics) in my study and use of martial arts. I tried explaining that to all my friends... and they both stopped talking to me.


Flashback to a senior student showing me why I should make my front kick piercing. He kicked me with a flat foot, then with the ball of his foot. "Feels different, doesn't it? I'm using the same force."

"Yeah, but the pressure is different."

"Huh?"

"Pressure is force over area. Everything else being equal, smaller area makes for greater pressure."

"Just make your front kicks piercing, okay?"

[eulerfan]

I won't even get into the whole bo staff-torque on a lever debacle.

[Marky]

"I won't even get into the whole bo staff-torque on a lever debacle" EF

Try explaining to someone how to optimize torque and distance in a hook punch. By the time I was explaining the force of his punch as a vector field and the importance of minimizing force vector reflection by punching a surface orthogonal to the direction of the strike, I was prompted to SHUT UP.

[eulerfan]

lol

Unleach the power in a zero cross product!

[red5angel]

I can't believe you **** dirty apes hijacked my shins thread!!!

Ok, I can.

Anyway, I decided to go with the heavy bag idea. 500 kicks a day each leg to start and we will see what happens.

[ShaolinTiger00]

work your way up to 500! your legs will be purple the first day.

start out with say 100 each leg and set goals/incriments.

ex- in one month I'm going to be able to get 250 each leg (full power!) etc..

[red5angel]

ST, I have actually been doing about 200 a day anyway, I just didn't know if doing it on the bag was doing my shins any good. However, I shall listen to your wisdom and work my way up :)