Stoopid

[Liokault]

Wish i could post some pics from this web site but.....


www.stavit.co.uk

[eulerfan]

I'm having trouble identifying the gender of the person wearing the red headband.

[ZIM]

It's PAA-AATTT!!!

What's with the bats?? Is it pronounced "stave-it"?


When training with us you have the opportunity to be shown any solution to any situation you have encountered or fear. So, ask away,

"what if he has a pointed stick? Oh, never mind..." ;)

[red5angel]

"I'm having trouble identifying the gender of the person wearing the red headband."

I have 5$ on WOMAN.

[45degree fist]

Hodini!!! more like whodahell would belive this

[Serpent]

Oh dear....

[joedoe]

I wanna join up.

[Oso]

wow



I bet they even know how to defend against a man armed with
a banana.

[joedoe]

I particularly like the double knife disarm. Just grab the blade and turn!

[Oso]

ok, we should stop now, KL chastised us a month ago for bashing.

[joedoe]

KL can chastise us again then.

[Serpent]

Even KL would bash this lot. Right, KL?

[Oso]

well, when I posted a thread on a local tkd school where the guy
was claiming a 12th degree(combined) and had a 4th degree in
taichi/wushu he almost immediately posted a thread saying we
should all be nicer. I agreed, mostly, and had never done that
and won't again even though I thought it was rediculous, at least
as rediculous as this site.

at least I felt chastised but maybe that was just me

[Serpent]

Yeah, that was just you.

[eulerfan]

Wait, this is supposed to convince you that you should know self-defense...


Joan Collins thinks London is now far more dangerous than New York, according to the papers.

[Oso]

evidently:)

but, you know, I do think it's not the best thing for us to do.

No amount of bashing we do is going to stop schools like this
from giving people the wrong information or others the wrong
impression of ma.

Unfortunately it's basically against the law to walk up and
challenge a school owner to a fight to prove he doesn't know
jack sh it. I think that's called assault, even in england.

Stoopid people will flock to places like this because they think
it's cool. That's fine. Let them go. It keeps them from pestering
the good schools who have better things to do.

Just think of it as culling the gene pool, smile and go on.

[joedoe]

I am not bashing them to try and warn people against going there - I am bashing them for a bit of a laugh. Very bad of me I know, but you gotta get your kicks somehow :D

[Oso]

joedoe, true enough. It is funny. If I wasn't competing with this
tkd guy for the market share I'd be laughing more. As it is, I'm
trying to smile and let him have the people who think he's got it.
I've got several other good ma schools to think about as well.
As business competition, that is.

But, without going as far as KL did in his admonishment (which
obviously got me thinking a little), doesn't it sort of diminish you
when you make fun of something(one) else?

just thinking about it, you know.

matt

[joedoe]

I knew you were going to say that. :)

I don't know. In some ways you could say yes it diminishes me, but only in the eyes of others. I guess it is considered to be behaviour that a decent person would not indulge in.

However, I'd like to think that in my poking fun at them there is no malice intended. a) I don't live in that part of the world so what they do doesn't really affect me that much. b) Everyone does things differently and what may look funny to me may work perfectly well for someone else. However that doesn't mean I cannot laugh about it. c) I am just having fun :)

When all is said and done though, this is an internet forum and joedoe is not my real name :). Very few people here actually know me so really, what the general population of the forum thinks of my behaviour doesn't bother me. Don't get me wrong - I don't go out of my way to be offensive, but I come here and do whatever I want and say whatever I want because I can. If the mods think that I am too far out of line then they can ban me and I will be no worse off for it. :)

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Oso
evidently:)

but, you know, I do think it's not the best thing for us to do.

No amount of bashing we do is going to stop schools like this
from giving people the wrong information or others the wrong
impression of ma.

Unfortunately it's basically against the law to walk up and
challenge a school owner to a fight to prove he doesn't know
jack sh it. I think that's called assault, even in england.



nah, just be nice about it. ask him to spar. hard. Tell him that you are from another style and are interested in seeing how his style is applied in sparring.

[HongKongPhooey]

for all the crap that's being spouted on the site, it's a nicely designed one.

[Liokault]

for all the crap that's being spouted on the site, it's a nicely designed one


Nicely designed? To me its cynical. Lots of information about street crime-then they more or less state that their class is the only one with the answer!!

I feel the teacher is trying to cash in on peoples fears about their own saftey. The really worriying thing is that he is making thease guys less safe and probably more scared than they need to be.

[Chang Style Novice]

Oso -

Okay, I'll bite. What in the world does "12th degree (combined)" mean? Does he have 6th degrees from two seperate organizations or what?

:confused:

[dezhen2001]

joedoe: well, its better than your old name for sure :D

ah no one should really take much on forums seriously anyway... if u wanna see a really troll infested forum gohere (http://www.vingtsun.com.hk/forum/) and then tell us what u think of kfo :D

dawood

[eulerfan]

OH MY GOD, Ya'll have to go read the guestbook. It's hilarious.

One entry, I like this guy:
"I have a really big head, it disturbs my balance and makes it hard for me to move. Can your training program help me overcome this problem?"

[dezhen2001]

LMAO!

i never got that far, just got to the gun and 2 knife defences and that was all i could handle in 1 sitting. too much info there :)

dawood

[red5angel]

Oso, it isn't against the law to go to the school and ask to spar or compare notes.
I recently went to a local wingchun seminar and kept volunteering to be the dummy for demonstrations. I walked away knowing full well the guy sucked and I think quite a few people in that seminar did too.

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
Okay, I'll bite. What in the world does "12th degree (combined)" mean? Does he have 6th degrees from two seperate organizations or what?

More likely, 1st degree from 12 seperate organizations.

[Sasha]

... Or white belt from 96 :)

[Oso]

CSN, on his website he listed his ranks, the highest was 5th.
And he was counting them all towards the 12th.

I just figured he was really a gaming geek and was thinking
(like in D&D) that his character level was equal to all his
combined class levels.:D


r5a, what I said what that challenging someone to a fight could
be construed as assault. Asking is somewhat different than
a 'challenge'.

A friend of mine kept having a guy come
in to his school and wanting to fight him to see if he was good
enough. So, he had him arrested for assault and trespassing
after the 3rd time he did it in the middle of class.
For a school owner, the liability of beating the crap out of
every jerk who walks in off the street is not worth losing the
school over. I agree with what you said about other ways to
find out if a teacher is good. But, what's the point of challenging
someone anyway? You obviously think they might suck anyway
or you wouldn't be trying to take them down a notch or whatever.


Sevenstar, don't you think that any school owner is going to take
that as a challenge? Especially, no matter how you phrase it,
that's really what you mean. I've been searching for some
people to spar with who wouldn't get a huge attitude about it all.
Meaning that they are good enough not to have an ego about
their abiliities. (I think I may have found some people, too.) I've
looked at other schools in the area and none of them struck me
in a way that made me feel like I could walk in and ask to spar
with their high level people WITHOUT them getting attitudes
about it. So, I didn't bother asking till I met someone who made
a good impression on me with their personality and presence.

SO, I feel that if you are talking about challenging a school owner
you have already made up your mind about their ability and so
it's pointless to embarass them. AGAIN, this is talking about
"Challenging" someone. Meeting someone and building a report
with them and then exchanging hands is different.


joedoe

I knew you were going to say that.

I don't know. In some ways you could say yes it diminishes me, but only in the eyes of others. I guess it is considered to be behaviour that a decent person would not indulge in.


usually, yes. It's all to easy to do though. Especially when
people set themselves up to be ridiculed. But, I'm trying to
keep my mind on this quote if I find myself falling into it.

"This sad little lizard told me he was a brontosaurus on his mother's side. I did not laugh, people who boast of ancestry often have little else to sustain them. Humoring them costs nothing and adds to happiness in a world in which happiness is always in short supply. "

but, anyway, there are a lot of funny people out there, whether
they intend to be or not. And it is hard not to make fun of them
and I agree with the pretentiousness of the site in question.

I wasn't trying to blast you for blasting them, just expressing
a change in heart about blasting silly people.

If it wasn't for the mcdojo's how would we feel superior;)

matt (real name)

[red5angel]

Here is my theory on this Oso, as much as we all have to fear lawsuits. Create a waiver, when someone comes in and wants to fight, make them sign the waiver first, put them in pads and go at it. If your good enough, you should be able to have enough control to not hurt anyone seriously right?

[Oso]

r5a,

hmm, my experience in waivers comes from several years as
a whitewater and wild cave guide. Waiver's usually aren't
worth the paper they are written on. You get them to sign them
anyway but they don't usually hold much weight in court. It
will still come down to the actions of both parties.

If someone is of the frame of mind that they can walk in and
challenge a school owner to a fight I would be very suspect
of their motives and would not bet my school on whether or
not they would decide to sue if I beat the crap out of them.

I agree about being good enough to control how much you
damage someone but if they were bigger then you might have
to hurt them. Then, I would also be concerned over their ability
to not hurt themselves in the process of trying to hurt me.

I am playing a little bit of devil's advocate with this subject.:)

[red5angel]

"I am playing a little bit of devil's advocate with this subject"

I noticed you *******! :)


I uess I am of the mind that sometimes, instructors need ot be challenged anyway, if they want to teach they should be able to show the stuff works. Of course there is always the law suit thing but there are ways around that. I don't have a problem letting the court know I was out gettinga drink with my sifu when this guy claims to have fought him in some parking lot somewhere. ;)

[Oso]

:D

but seriously, I wish it was a thousand years ago and 'might makes right' ( I still think it sorta does ) but it's not. I'm not
going to court or jail because of some idiot. I don't need my
ego stroked that bad. I stroke my ego every night:cool:

I've just decided it's not worth the time to make fun of
other people's schools.

[eulerfan]

I've decided it's not worth the time talking about how it's not worth the time making fun of other people's schools.

But I think it is worth the time talking about how it's not worth the time talking about how it's not worth the time making fun of other people's schools.

:D

[Chang Style Novice]

Study break!

Eulerfan, did you get my PM?

[red5angel]

I think eulerfan needs to lay off the caffeine!

Oso - I am not even necessarily saying might makes right so much as saying that if you want to teach martial arts, you should have to prove you kow your stuff every once in a while. It doesn't have to be some brutal, live or die type thing, but whats wrong with testing people now and then? I get sick of hearing from instructors how they wont touch hands with newcomers or challengers because it is a waste of time.

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by red5angel
I think eulerfan needs to lay off the caffeine!


Why? am i talking really really fast becasue I don't feel like I'm talking really really fast this is just how I normally talk it doesn't mean I've been drinking a lot of coffee or anyhting I really only had about a pot of coffee that's not a lot of coffee is it becasue I think people drink a lot more coffee than that and they aren't bouncing off the walls or anything...........I need to lie down.

[Oso]

Oso - I am not even necessarily saying might makes right

I know, I was:D

so much as saying that if you want to teach martial arts, you should have to prove you kow your stuff every once in a while. It doesn't have to be some brutal, live or die type thing, but whats wrong with testing people now and then? I get sick of hearing from instructors how they wont touch hands with newcomers or challengers because it is a waste of time.

agreed, but in an egoless situation.

As for me, if someone walks in to my school (room at the gym)
and immediately challenges me then fug them. They would
have to attack me to get a response.

If they walk in and are polite and curious and are wondering
if we fight/spar then I will offer to let them watch a sparring session.

If they claim ability and would like to spar with me to compete
with someone else they think has ability then sure we can mix
it up some, as I've said before, I am without a sparring partner
and would love to meet anyone in the area that want's to get
together on a regular basis.

If they wait for me in the parking lot then it's probably on for
good or bad.

I havn't said it was a waste of time to test ability. I've said it was
a waste of time to go out and challenge school owners because
you don't think they are good.

It would be a beautiful thing if there were no egos and there
were sessions in every town where every ma school owner got
together and traded hands or whatever. Not going to happen.
So, you get people on either end of the spectrum bi tching about
the other side of the rainbow.

I'm honestly trying to be somewhere in the middle.

He ll, anyone, everyone, come to Asheville, let's train.
I've got 2 extra bedrooms and 3 couches. I'll buy the beer.

[red5angel]

"agreed, but in an egoless situation."

I don't believe it is necessarily possible.

[Oso]

too true but dang it that's my goal.

[red5angel]

Good luck my freind, let me know how that works out for you! :)