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k2square
10-30-2000, 02:41 AM
Do you have to train in martial arts before to learn Lohan Qigong?

Serpent
10-30-2000, 02:56 AM
No.

YoungForest
10-30-2000, 03:36 AM
to some exstent yes.

Serpent
10-30-2000, 04:02 AM
JigGa - do you want to qualify that? A person can easily walk into a qigong school off the street and begin learning the Lohan Qigong. There is absolutely no requirement whatsoever that the person has any knowledge of any kind of martial art prior to this. Why do you say there is?

Shaolin Master
10-30-2000, 04:13 AM
Lohan Qigong - From Which Style/System.

Anyway usually it is taught like Serpent says from the very beginning. It could even be taught as Qigong separate to any style (like for Health).
However, the value of it to a martial artist may not be understood to the very end /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Regards

Shi Chan Long

YoungForest
10-30-2000, 06:47 AM
first off,
Not everyone can learn their qigong so that's why you should have martial art experience to have that certain self control advantage.

Secondly, its not a weekend thing so patience would help you out too.

and finally, do u see a normal stranger walking into a Qigong school and learned their Qigong?

Serpent
10-30-2000, 07:02 AM
Some schools advertise their qigong/tai chi lessons seperately to their kung fu and people are invited to join one or other or both. There is no commitment at all to learn everything.

You said:

"first off,
Not everyone can learn their qigong so that's why you should have martial art experience to have that certain self control advantage."

Why can't everyone/anyone learn?! You could say just the same about kung fu - you should learn qigong first for "that certain self control advantage". Qigong, taught properly, will teach the absolute beginner everything they need to practice qigong, without recourse to any other art.

"Secondly, its not a weekend thing so patience would help you out too."

No one would argue with that, but everyone has to start somewhere.

"and finally, do u see a normal stranger walking into a Qigong school and learned their Qigong?"

Absolutely! Do you see a total stranger one day turn up at a kung fu school and learn their style? Yes you do. What about a dance school? A Spanish language class? Anything that you choose to learn, you find a school, walk in and say, "I'd like to learn xxxxx from you please."

JigGa, you don't make any sense.

premier
10-30-2000, 10:08 PM
Yes. I think Lohan Qigong classes are usually open to public, though they're usually ran by kungfu schools.

First you learn basic breathing. dantien and gate. some massage and moving exercises. after that you'll learn the lohan 18 hands form. there's the basics of Lohan qigong.

After that you might learn the Siu Lohan and a third form which name I forgot.

The most advanced form is Wu chi form, which are the pure martial art application of Lohan system.

Sorry. This introduction isn't very accurate and I might not be aware of some forms. I will not be held responsible for it =)

YoungForest
10-31-2000, 04:54 AM
so are you saying all martial artists are good? and learned?
NO!
80 percent of all martial artists or fighters suck...to put in a good way..

same with dancing or anything else, that's what im talking about..
you need your mind to be clear and have the ability to do well....most people can't see that or aren't able to do that for some reason..

Shaolin Master
10-31-2000, 06:56 AM
All excercies in a way are Qi gong practises. not formally of course but every action affects our Qi and thus any sport wether from an external or internal perspective generate Qi and thus are a form of Qi gong.

Qi gong can be learnt straight from day One, in fact simple breathing regulation should explained from the beginning because it is such a lenghty process it is best to start of early.

The depth of understanding and level of progress is then dependant on individual effort and experience.

From what I gathered in above posts reference is made to the Lohan Qigong of the Choy Li Fut Family(which I List below). The fact is Lohan Qigong exists in many different CMAs from Praying Mantis to Songshan Shaolin...etc.

Lohan Qigong Sets :

1.Buddhidarma lohan 18 hands [lohan kung]
2.Small Arhat Set [Xiao lohan]
3.Large Arhat Set [Da Lohan]
4.Empty Ultimate [Wu Ji]

{WuJi - Difficult to translate it is best described as before Yin and Yang there exists WuJi}

Please see the web site below for details

http://www.tai-chi-centre.com/lohan.htm

Regards

Shi Chan Long

GeneChing
08-17-2009, 10:03 AM
I just needed a place to put this. I'm eager to hear lkfmdc's reaction. :rolleyes:

May the Qi Be With You? (http://www.usavanguard.com/may-the-qi-be-with-you-1.301744)
By Patrick Senn & Travis Brewer PARAPSYCHOLOGICAL INVESTIGATORS cps601@jaguar1.usouthal.edu
Published: Monday, August 17, 2009
Updated: Monday, August 17, 2009

Qi, which is best described as the real-life equivalent to "the Force," is not the cultivation to the paranormal and instead is seen as being completely natural by those who practice it.

For thousands of years, adept masters of various martial arts all over the world, especially in Asian cultures, have been dazzling their students with fantastic displays of power derived from a supposedly mystical force known as Qi.

One international studies major at USA replied to a mass e-mail asking the student body for any paranormal experiences they may have had, to relate his own astonishing account.

The student described his own experiences with a Qigong master under whom he had studied who could reportedly set things on fire with his hands, trigger electrical impulses in a person's body, and shock skeptics from a meridian point just below the navel known as the “dan tian.”

To help us understand Qi and the experiences we had been told of by the international studies student, we turned to Mobile's own resident Shaolin monk. Master Liu is Sifu (translated: “teaching father”) of the Liu Institute International, a Shaolin Kung Fu and Qigong center; the primary Mobile office is located in a small unassuming building next to a Big Time Burger at 704 Lakeside Drive, Mobile, Ala., 36693.

Master Liu is a 31st-generation Shaolin monk. He trained from a young age in the Shaolin Temple of China, then later at the Traditional Chinese Medical School of Wushu, China, achieving an OMD degree (Doctorate of Oriental Medicine).

He also has a bachelor's degree in English from the University of Mobile and a master's degree in exercise physiology from USA. His thesis “Physiological effects of a 7-week taiji exercise combined with Chinese meditation program,” is on file at the University library.

USA Parapsychological and Supernatural Investigations (PSI) conducted two interviews with Liu to understand the nature of Qi from the traditional Chinese perspective. He quickly made it clear that he did not consider Qi or its cultivation to be paranormal at all; he views this energy flow as completely natural.

The easiest way we can think of for a modern 21st-century American to understand this concept is to think of the movie “Star Wars.”

Remember “the Force”? It was the omnipresent, arguably omniscient life energy permeating the universe and conducted by all living things. When channeled by an experienced user, this energy could make them capable of seemingly supernatural feats. If you are not familiar with “Star Wars,” you may be surprised by how relevant the teachings of the Jedi can be.

In real life, this stuff is called Qi and, according to Traditional Chinese Medicine, it enters and exits the body through places called meridian points; while you may not be able to lift a spaceship, a person properly trained to use Qi can be capable of incredible feats.

Liu agrees that phenomena like those described in the e-mail are indeed possible using a combination of Qi and sleight of hand. The USA alumnus laughingly dismisses these effects as mere “parlor tricks,” although he is much more open-minded about the scientific investigation of Qi.

In fact, the monk consented to an informal test to determine whether Qi can cause a reading on an electromagnetic field (EMF) detector.

In the first test, we asked Liu to concentrate Qi with his body, specifically to create a measurable EMF. The martial arts grandmaster meditated with his hands in a circle below his navel. In a room in which base EMF reading was zero, Liu produced on request an EMF measuring approximately 0.5 milligauss (mG); the field measured slightly higher in the circular space between his hands.

We then asked Liu to meditate with the intention of projecting a measurable electromagnetic effect outward. Again, Liu produced a field of approximately 0.5 mG; when the EMF detector was moved back about 3 feet, the reading held at 0.5 mG.

In the second test, we asked Liu to demonstrate more Qi meditation techniques but no measurable effect was produced.

In the West, there have been theories similar to Qi such as Vitalism, the idea that living organisms are imbued with “vital energy,” making living things distinct in kind from nonliving things. This theory was supposedly disproven in 1828 when Friedrich Wohler created urea (an organic salt compound) in a lab. However, there is no proof that vital energy would not flow equally well through artificially-produced organic components.

To this day there is much debate concerning whether Wohler's discovery truly debunked anything at all, and some practitioners of current chiropractic medicine make use of modern theories derived from Vitalism.

USA PSI's investigation into Qi and related subjects is ongoing. We are attempting to reproduce our initial successes and need volunteers for experiments to create EMF readings via meditation.

If you or anyone you have experience in meditation of any kind, please contact USA PSI immediately at cps601@jaguar1.usouthal.edu. Also, look out for our follow-up article on Qi in a few weeks and possible further research.