APOLOGY - I'm sorry for being immature on this forum. Can u guys forgive me?

[morbicid]

I realize that I'm immature sometimes and disrespectful to some of you... I guess I just get carried away sometimes.
I'm really sorry if I got some of you mad, and I want to be better. I want to try to contribute good things to the forum. I know that sometimes I say things that I think are funny (sometimes just to me), but are, in actuality, very inappropriate and inconsiderate to some of the people reading the posts. A lot of you call me a "troll"... I really dont know the exact definition of TROLL, but I'm sure I deserve it a lot of the time. But when you get right down to it, I really do want to learn about kung fu and be able to share stories with you guys. I think it can better my training if I start being sincere with you all.
Can we work it out? Can we be a (Kung fu) family? In our kung fu portrait, we look pretty happy. We look pretty normal. Lets go back to that.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i love this guy.

[vamierr]

that was beautiful.

I totally misjudged you morbicid. You're a deep guy. Now go back to your porn, vaseline, and comic books please.

[ricksitterly]

Morbicid... You ARE beautiful..... in every single way.


Words cant bring you down.

[Repulsive Monkey]

This could very well be the King of trolls here, come back Ralek you have a new rival!!!!!

[Xebsball]

k...

tell us a little bit about yourself:
your height and weight, your favourite music and food, if you like long walks on the beach...

[GeneChing]

You know, I've always wondered where the term 'troll' originated. I've been assuming that it has something to do with that old myth of the bridge troll - an ugly creature that demands toll - but now that I think about it, that analogy doesn't quite work. Anyone know the roots of this term?

[rogue]

Troll, Trolling v
To fish for by trailing a baited line from behind a slowly moving boat.

[FatherDog]

rogue is correct.

Further etymology of this and other Net slang can be read in the Jargon file:

http://jargon.watson-net.com/section.asp

[Former castleva]

We cannot hear the tone of your voice or see your body language as someone once wisely mentioned but,based on your words-it´s fine.
Not many apologize,but nothing lethal has happened so far...
Neurochemistry is not very easy to understand,even for a neurochemist,well...post good stuff and enjoy your stay.

:)

[MightyB]

Why apologize to these turds? :D

[Serpent]

Originally posted by GeneChing
You know, I've always wondered where the term 'troll' originated. I've been assuming that it has something to do with that old myth of the bridge troll - an ugly creature that demands toll - but now that I think about it, that analogy doesn't quite work. Anyone know the roots of this term?

WARNING: RANT AHEAD

You know what? You've hit on a real nerve for me here. This is one of those things that really p!sses me off. Once again, it's American ignorance.

The term for fishing by trailing lines is Trawling. See here (http://www.hull.ac.uk/php/cetag/4arctic.htm) for a random example.

Now say Trawl with an American accent and add in one heaped tablespoon of assumption and a pint of ignorance.

Et voila, the internet term Troll is born.

I thought it was something along the lines of the troll under the bridge thing for a long time too. Should have known better.

*sigh*

END RANT.

[eulerfan]

troll (v.) - 1377, "to go about, stroll," later (c.1425) "roll from side to side, trundle," from O.Fr. troller, a hunting term, "wander, to go in quest of game without purpose," from a Gmc. source (cf. M.H.G. trollen "to walk with short steps"), from P.Gmc. *truzlanan. Sense of "sing in a full, rolling voice" (first attested 1575) and that of "fish with a moving line" (1606) are both extended technical applications of the general sense of "roll, trundle," the latter perhaps confused with trail or trawl. Fig. sense of "to draw on as with a moving bait, entice, allure" is from 1565.



These things are hard to nail down, Serpent.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan
troll (v.) - 1377, "to go about, stroll," later (c.1425) "roll from side to side, trundle," from O.Fr. troller, a hunting term, "wander, to go in quest of game without purpose," from a Gmc. source (cf. M.H.G. trollen "to walk with short steps"), from P.Gmc. *truzlanan. Sense of "sing in a full, rolling voice" (first attested 1575) and that of "fish with a moving line" (1606) are both extended technical applications of the general sense of "roll, trundle," the latter perhaps confused with trail or trawl. Fig. sense of "to draw on as with a moving bait, entice, allure" is from 1565.



These things are hard to nail down, Serpent.

Where's the definition from, euler?

I told you I was ranting, by the way. It's not necessarily going to be logical when I rant! ;)

[eulerfan]

online etymology dictionary

http://www.geocities.com/etymonline/t7etym.htm

I like linguistics. If the etymology you gave for troll is true, that would be a pretty common thing to happen to a word. It's called folk etymology. People tend to change unfamiliar words to the more familiar ones they resemble.

It's certainly not an American phenomenon. It happens in French and Spanish and all sorts of languages.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan
online etymology dictionary

http://www.geocities.com/etymonline/t7etym.htm

I like linguistics. If the etymology you gave for troll is true, that would be a pretty common thing to happen to a word. It's called folk etymology. People tend to change unfamiliar words to the more familiar ones they resemble.

It's certainly not an American phenomenon. It happens in French and Spanish and all sorts of languages.

I bet it happens more in America though! :p Let me have my hatred; please don't take it away from me!

Nice site, by the way. I haven't come across that one before.

[eulerfan]

Originally posted by Serpent


I bet it happens more in America though! :p Let me have my hatred; please don't take it away from me!


But, you see, I'm an american. But I am fair minded. I haven't tried to take your hatred before because you were hating me with relatively cogent arguments.

Hate me all you want. Don't you DARE, EVER hate me with an uncogent argument.

:D ;) :D

[Xebsball]

Hey Serpent, do i still call you master now that i have my own lightsaber?

[Kristoffer]

Hey, who's NOT imature and disrespectful here? :D **** you guys
lol

[rubthebuddha]

Main Entry: 1troll
Pronunciation: 'trOl
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English
Date: 15th century
transitive senses
1 : to cause to move round and round : ROLL
2 a : to sing the parts of (as a round or catch) in succession b : to sing loudly c : to celebrate in song
3 a : to fish for by trolling b : to fish by trolling in <troll lakes> c : to pull through the water in trolling <troll a lure>

taken from the venerable webster.com. there is no better source.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Xebsball
Hey Serpent, do i still call you master now that i have my own lightsaber?

Yes, you still call Serpent Master, and you still have to call me Daddy :D

Speaking of US hatred, did you hear that the US State dept has lodged a complaint with the leader of our political opposition because they feel he is generating hatred towards the US by his stance against war with Iraq. Odd thing to do.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by rubthebuddha
Main Entry: 1troll
Pronunciation: 'trOl
Function: verb
Etymology: Middle English
Date: 15th century
transitive senses
1 : to cause to move round and round : ROLL
2 a : to sing the parts of (as a round or catch) in succession b : to sing loudly c : to celebrate in song
3 a : to fish for by trolling b : to fish by trolling in <troll lakes> c : to pull through the water in trolling <troll a lure>

taken from the venerable webster.com. there is no better source.

Except for the Oxford dictionary :p :D

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan


But, you see, I'm an american. But I am fair minded. I haven't tried to take your hatred before because you were hating me with relatively cogent arguments.

Hate me all you want. Don't you DARE, EVER hate me with an uncogent argument.

:D ;) :D

Fair enough. Besides, you know I love ya.

*smooch*

In the words of someone else:

"Individuals are often ok. It's people I can't stand."

:)

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Xebsball
Hey Serpent, do i still call you master now that i have my own lightsaber?

Of course you do.

You are not a Jedi yet!

[Serpent]

Originally posted by joedoe
Speaking of US hatred, did you hear that the US State dept has lodged a complaint with the leader of our political opposition because they feel he is generating hatred towards the US by his stance against war with Iraq. Odd thing to do.

Yep. This has greatly focused my hatred recently.

[eulerfan]

You'll like this:

http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0105/guide/

[Serpent]

Originally posted by eulerfan
You'll like this:

http://www.modernhumorist.com/mh/0105/guide/

You're right.

I thoroughly enjoyed that! ;)

[TigerJaw]

Just looked it up in the Concise Oxford English which happens to be on my shelf here.

Both Troll and Trawl are, as we suspected listed as methods of fishing. Trawl can mean to fish be dragging a large net, as is in common usage today or, less commonly by dragging a baited line. Trolling only appears to apply to dragging a baited line. It isn't marked as archaic but I've never heard it used that way except when explaining the etymology of the word Troll on the internet.

I suspect that the original phrase was 'trawlling for newbies' but either by folk etymology or some clever spod looking the word up and finding the uncommon varient 'Troll' and finding it amussing, I suspect that the truth is a bit of both, the phrase changed to 'Trolling for newbies', then just 'Trolling', finally spawning the noun 'Troll'.

[eulerfan]

Ever since I was a little girl in New Orleans, people would talk about trolling for shrimp. That was before the internet. It's not an internet thing.

Besides, you wouldn't mishear something over the internet, would you?

[eulerfan]

Called my dad. He lived in NO till he was twenty and loves to fish. Used to take me fishing when I was a wee lass. He said,

"You say 'trolling' when you're using a baited line. You say 'trawling' when you are using a net. I've trolled and trawled and I've owned a little statue of a troll. What a life!"

So, that is the distinction in the New Orleans fishing community, at least, TigerJaw. You were right about that.

[Budokan]

Sorry, we don't forgive on KFO. You're sh*t out of luck on that one, bud.

[KC Elbows]

I find it really bizarre that a bunch of computer geeks got together on early discussion boards and used the term troll in referrence to fishing. True geeks would think of Tolkein. There is something intrinsically wrong with this.