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01-14-2001, 09:03 AM
Hello everyone. My friend went to a northern Shaolin Martial arts school in our area, and I just watching it, thought that it wasn't a very good place. The technique seemed taught well, but they never sparred, or taught grappling. When we asked the teacher why there was no sparring, he said "because we are too dealy." Now is it normal for Kung Fu schools not to spar anymore? Thanks for the reply's in advance.



01-15-2001, 07:39 AM
Ok I take it this was a bad thing to ask? Does noone have any input?



Black Fist
01-15-2001, 07:51 AM
All schools spar it is just when that is the question and how!

01-16-2001, 05:59 AM
well again this sifu, said that they won't because it is too deadly. WE asked him ourselves.

thanks again!!

Shaolin Master
01-16-2001, 06:04 AM
No Sparring too deadly ,ooooh old mysticism from the past. Not true some degree of sparring is necessary or else how do you learn. Even Yi Quan (Mind Fist) has sparring practice.

So who is this person name, style etc....

01-16-2001, 06:27 AM
It means that they don't have insurance.

If your not bleeding, your not having enough fun.

01-16-2001, 11:02 PM
His name was sifu John Gilbert Jones I believe. Pretty surea anyway. Its in Washington state. ummm the insurance thing sounds plausible. the style was american shaolin. At least that's what the name of the school was. they also taught capuera there. strange but oh well.



doug maverick
01-31-2001, 08:17 PM
if a sifu says sparring is to deadly he is right and wrong sparring is only deadly if you use deadly technique if you don't spar you won't learn how to fight and any normal street punk can beat the (parting me for saying this)sh*t out of you. this teacher doesn't know what he's talking about and you should quit before you become like him.

02-01-2001, 06:06 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> No Sparring too deadly ,ooooh old mysticism from the past[/quote]

Master Chan has had people die on him before.That's the reason why he doesn't allow full conntact sparring in schools anymore.No mysticism about it.

Do train all the way and if someone dies the law and all sorts of troubles step into the scene.

"Always be ready"

02-01-2001, 07:02 AM
They don't teach grappling, because kung fu is a striking art. The closest thing to grappling in kung fu is chin na, which is jointlocking.

"The way lays claim to no merit, therefore merit never deserts it." - Lao Tzu

02-02-2001, 12:02 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR> The closest thing to grappling in kung fu is china na[/quote]
Don't forget shuai jiao (chinese wrestling).

02-02-2001, 04:09 PM
yeah and dit tang ground boxing ...

Shaolin Temple
02-08-2001, 07:35 AM
A small history first!!!

What does 'Kung Fu' mean?
Like many other terms used in connection with the
Martial Arts today, the term 'Kung fu' is often mis-applied. Translated literally, kung fu means 'excellence through hard work' or 'skilled achievement'. Therefore one could be said to display 'kung fu' at cooking or at computer programming.

There is nothing inherently martial about the term, but in the 1950s, the Hong Kong film industry started using the two characters 'Kung Fu' for their martial arts action movies and the phrase has been closely associated with Chinese Martial Arts ever since - particularly in the West.

Professionals refer to the practice of Chinese martial arts as 'Wu Kung' or 'Wu Shu' which connote the specific martial (Wu) development of skill (Kung) or art (Shu).

What's the difference between Traditional Chinese Martial Arts and Karate/Judo/Taekwondo?

Chinese martial arts were formalised over two thousand years ago, and were developed primarily by Buddhist and Taoist monks. Thus, the Chinese are universally acknowledged to have have the oldest, best-proven systems - almost all other legitimate systems will acknowledge the debt they owe to the Chinese systems, which spread throughout Asia. Methods such as Karate, Judo or Taekwondo were developed hundreds of years after the formalisation of the Chinese systems, and as such, owed much of their development to Chinese martial arts systems - Karate, as first taught by Southern Chinese monks and practised on Okinawa, was originally called 'Tang Te' which translates as 'Chinese Hand'. The characters were later changed to 'Kara Te' ('Empty Hand') during a period of strong Japanese nationalism.

What are Traditional Chinese Martial Arts?

In Chinese culture, there are the so-called 'five excellences.' These are: Calligraphy, Poetry,
Painting, Music and Martial Arts. The objective in mastering any of these arts is to achieve a state
of calmness and equilibrium which the Chinese refer to as 'enlightenment'.

Mastery of any of the excellences would grant this state of peace and balance; traditional martial arts grant further benefits as well - health, fitness and the ability to defend one's self or others.

In trying to understand these arts, it is important to realise that in China, they were developed primarily by Buddhist and Taoist monks whose goal was to prolong their lives. The key for these aesthetes was to enrich themselves spiritually - self-defence was of secondary concern. However, when monks were sent out from the temples to gather alms, the harsh reality of having to defend themselves arose and the techniques that they had developed and practised purely for health reasons had to be adapted to deal with the threats of the outside world.

The systems that these holy men developed spread throughout China and across Asia, some being
adapted for purely combative use, some strictly for health development, some for theatrical
performance while others retained the essence of the original arts - to prolong and enrich the life of the practitioner, with the added benefit of providing an effective system of self-defence, should the need arise.

What's the difference between Traditional Chinese Martial Arts and Kick-boxing?

Kick-boxing is a sport. It's all about scoring points in competition 'fighting' where there are a clear set of rules, gloves, pads and a referee to control things. Traditional Shaolin training is not concerned with competitions of this nature. The techniques as taught are given to deal with real life situations where there are no rules and no referee to step in and save your life! Traditional techniques were developed to save lives under the most extreme circumstances - no really conclusive test is possible between students of traditional Shaolin, unless they choose to get involved in a all-out, real fight since Shaolin techniques are inherently dangerous and do not lend themselves to control measures.

One Shaolin Master recently wrote: "Shaolin in its orthodox form, is not a game to be played for the
entertainment of an audience or the whims of sports-minded exponents. Although there have been
competitions between Shaolin experts, none of these have proven satisfactory to orthodox

10-06-2006, 07:54 PM
Hi everyone,
I know this thread is ancient, but I just wanted to clarify a few things so there is no confusion.
John Gilbert Jones is my Sifu he is a licensed acupuncturist and herbalist. He studied kung fu under Master Yang Jwing-Ming and was his top student and head instructor during the 80's.
At our school we learn Long Fist, White Crane, and Yang style Taiji.
While Sifu did take some capoeira it is not taught at our school as a style.
We do some capoeira footwork (box-step, t-step) to establish timing, rhythym and stepping for some kicks but we are not taught to fight that way.
You are free to browse our course catalog at www.americanmartialinstitute.com
there is also a short commercial video on there that is aired in our area you can get a peek at some of the stuff we do. (disregard the 1 sec clip showing the capoeira footwork LOL)
Anyway that is all I wanted to say, check out the site and come to your own conclusions.
Thank you,