View Full Version : Which Southern style do you know have ever beaten Northern style?

02-18-2001, 06:55 PM
Which Southern style do you know have ever beaten Northern style?

There's not one that I have ever come across that can achieve that. All you southern fighters are just all talk and no action.

If you have anything to talk about you better be able to prove it or remain quiet.

Historically, the manchurian royal family have used northern style praying mantis and in history have kicked the @#$* out of southern kung fu. If you have any other stories to show, give me evidence.

kelvein chan

02-18-2001, 09:20 PM
You are so right. As soon as I give up my Southern Kung Fu, can I come study under you?

fiercest tiger
02-18-2001, 10:36 PM
you better check yourself or you'll reck yourself.

your a bad example for your sifu. :(



02-19-2001, 02:55 AM
It's not bad enough that the main forum has become a complete embarrassment. It's not bad enough that it is 6th grade study hall populated by people whose knowledge of traditional Kung Fu extends no further than a couple of shaw bros. movies. Oh no. What we need right now is divisiveness amongst Kung Fu (supposedly) practicioners.
I doubt very seriously that you can even name more than 3 "southern styles" off the top of your head. If you had done any research at all before posting, you would find famous fighters in almost every style, not just your own. FT's point is well made, forget about what someone who trained in your style did 200 years ago...what can you do?

02-19-2001, 04:45 AM
hmm...how old are you kid? sounds like your 14 or something that just started taking classes with your sifu. You shouldnt be so arrogant when learning any MA...be humble. its common to say one's style maybe better than others but like billy said...what is your level of skill? I take southern styles of kung fu and i take offense to your question...try to research more about all Chinese martial arts before you make these statements and get your self hurt...
Peace, Wah

...Hard as Iron...Soft as Thread...The fist at the end of the rope...

Shaolin Temple
02-19-2001, 06:14 AM
Look here goktimus/ego maximus/bestallstyle/calmguru/5 star praying mantis/mercilessfighter...****!!! Forgive my French but how many more personalities are you going to create?

Have you had enough fun stirring up trouble everywhere? This forum is for discussion of style, art, philosophy and betterment of the beauty of Kung Fu. Do you need to start more useless threads?

For those of you who are out there and are beginning to get annoyed with this @rsehole...there's only so much a monk can tolerate...Amitabha...check Muhammed's reply in

http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=71919378 21 (http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=7191937821)


and Goose's reply in:

http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891 902621&p=3 (http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891902621&p=3)

That photo had just put me off food...that's enough vegetables for me today...

[This message was edited by Shaolin Temple on 02-19-01 at 08:31 PM.]

02-20-2001, 01:09 AM
*Deep sigh*

Another one. Well, I suggest we not dignify it with proper responses. I personally like to poke fun at them and watch their response get more an more incoherent as they sit at their keyboards and froth at the mouth.

And before you ask, yes I was a cruel child :).

Here's what he is gonna do. He will make all sorts of wild statements about how much better Northern is, then when someone actually challenges him he will then introduce his sifu as the one who will be fighting and make all sorts of claims about how southern practitioners cheat.

Then someone else will miraculously appear and support what he is saying, saying that everyone else are bullies and that northern practitioners are the only ones with honour.

[This message was edited by ABandit on 02-20-01 at 03:17 PM.]

02-20-2001, 01:39 AM
yeah try startin another troll again didn't u, well i don't blame u cause u look like one,

here is the picture of the person who started this thread, and a ugly motherf**ker he is (or it is)

<img src = "http://www.geocities.com/goktimus/sweet.jpg">

lets now talk about how bad this guys head is and how u can get a bad head like this, first i suggest people visit his lame website


now my reason for such a head is that he was raped as a child but the attacker thought his head was his ass. that is my reason, anymore possibilities????

There is only one god and Muhammad is his prophet

02-20-2001, 07:05 AM
I personally feel that both of the styles are just the same. There is no "best" style. Each style has it's own good things and it's bad. I'm currently doing a northern style, yet I still admire the southern styles at the same time, such as choy li fut and wing chun. These are just my opinions. Feel free to reply.

02-20-2001, 08:41 AM
You consider yourself a resercher of fighting arts??,you're a teacher??,the only time I consider myself a bad arse is the gas after alot of beans and beer,I'm not hard to find,I practice Southern arts,White Eyebrow(Shoalin) and Wing Tsun (which was developed to defeat Shoalin,both Northern and Southern) but WT/WC remains a Southern art developed by Southern Shaolin fighters,reserch that.That being said young Nathen Jr.(See the movie Raising Arozona,spell checks broke)I got got just two words left for ya m8(mate)......WANNA FIGHT????????

02-20-2001, 09:02 AM
Your post came from america so I was really hoping to meet you face to face,after seeing your web site I take it you live in the land down under.When I saw your pics I almost shiet me pants laughing so hard,man you need to buy a gun before you go out and pick fights with the Southern guys,I've met Adam Hsu,he's a nice guy,he's your sifu????,I think he'd drop you like the smoking turd you seem to be if he knew you were making such statments,Oh one more thing, to my understanding the manchus learned Southern arts and some Hakka systems,hence the red boat people put their skills together to combat the manchus with Southern skills not the Southern Monks and developed WT/WC/VC,its hard for me to buy the story that the Nun Ng Mui was responsible by her self to invent such a strong style,commits by other members are welcome,don't bother fruit bat/ mercy fighter,your ideas are worthless

[This message was edited by tnwingtsun on 02-20-01 at 11:15 PM.]

02-20-2001, 09:48 AM
what now?so typical of you southern w**nkers.all you do is gang up in packs and whoaa I am sooo tough. you are such a p*ssy. wah you gonna threaten merciless with your ohh I know adam hsu b*ll****. why dont you go to the graveyard and suck the sweat of a deadmans pr!ck you f**cken f$!
come to my school if you dare and i'll pound the crap out of your tight @rse
so typical of you arrogant yanky pr!cks you think you all that hahahahahahah what a joke. you president sux on p*ssy soaked cigars hahahah

02-20-2001, 11:08 AM
Depends on how you train you achieve different things.

If you train in relaxation and meditation, you'll have little stress and probably live a long life in today's society which is very safe from physical violence in comparison with the old days.

Training in the Northern theories will probably make you a good fighter all else being equal. You can say that's the advantage of Northern KF. Disadvantage is, you don't get to harden your hands to break stones, wood and other animate or inanimate objects (if that's what you go for). You'll probably get to experience less of a "clans-men-ship" due to the nature of how the styles evolved over time.

Training in the Southern way, you'll pick up cool stuff like lion dancing. Which is rather entertaining for both performer and audience alike. Disadvantage is, you'll die against a practitioner of the northern stylist. But that rarely happens today!

But put it this way, statistically, check with the FBI files if you want to, how many ppl are killed by psychos weilding KF. Not many.

What I'm getting at is that, this post is quite irrelevant. You train in what ever style to achieve what ever objective that is purely your choice. But don't confuse style with the way you train. That's another angle that ppl don't talk much about on this forum. It's always style style style. My style against your style to the point where ppl almost resurrect the masters from the dead just to prove a point. How ridiculous.

But if you want to be a key board warrior then learning how to type would be a good start. Be interesting, witty and clever. Being smutty is just too easy, unless of course you're an undersexed teenager in junior high school.

Ego Energize!
Maximus Maximize!

02-20-2001, 06:14 PM
another one of this discussion?

Anyway...ShaolinLongFist I'm 100% agree with you. That's what I said on the other post. :)

"Welcome to my room. When will you be leaving?" -- Garfield
"Don't worry. Be stupid!" -- Odie

02-21-2001, 03:51 AM
what's with ya longfist? good for yer w@nking right?
go rape yerself you loser.

5star praying mantis

02-21-2001, 04:01 AM
Umm... I don't know what your problem is, but you don't act like a true martial artist. You're a teacher? Haha... What a good example.

02-21-2001, 04:14 AM
why dont ya go to hell and jerk yerself off with the techniques yer p*ssy@ss sifu cr@p taught ya. w@nking fist long fist

5star praying mantis

02-21-2001, 04:54 AM
That's not a very nice thing to say. Are you seriously 26 or something? You don't sound like it.

02-21-2001, 07:36 PM
For you're onfo star boy,I'm not a "Yankee",they live in the northen part of the USA,I'm in the south,you're a teacher?did you not have any history classes??My president is not Bill and I never voted for him so whats your point?can all you do is swear at people and make enemys??grow up boy before someone mistakes you for a man and teaches you a lesson.

wisdom mind
02-21-2001, 10:04 PM
if you happen to play Northern Styles and are ever in NYC email iandijah@hushmail.com

id love to reveal to you southern style fighting ability

enjoy the day

Ben Gash
02-21-2001, 11:51 PM
Well I must say it makes a change from the SPM guys spouting off about how much more practical shorthand is and how they could defeat any northern stylist. I have the advantage of training in northern, southern, long and short, so I can sit totally on the fence.
I don't know lion dance, yet I know many northern schools that teach it. The extras that go with kung fu (Lion dance, dragon dance, unicorn dance, flag dancing) are irrespective of whether the style is northern or southern. Indeed, there are even specific northern lions (they have long golden hair).
Northern and southern are both effective if you are trained in them properly.
Anyway, as a point of information, the Manchus tended to study Hop Gar, not mantis.
5star mantis, you need to get out more. Or are you afraid that the bigger kids will beat you up?

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

Ben Gash
02-21-2001, 11:59 PM
His mantis isn't bad, but his Tan Tui is terrible! O.K., as a Zhaquan practitioner I'm likely to be harsher than most, but the stances are just awful!
Still, he likes war craft, so he can't be that bad (warcraft 2 is one of my favourite games).
5star mantis! How dare you make such reference to my Wan King Fist? There is now blood feud between us! If we are ever to meet there will be Tek Kwoon! :mad: :rolleyes:

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

Shaolin Temple
02-22-2001, 02:08 AM
for those of you who may now be annoyed with a certain individual here's a few links to catch up on. If I have mistaken this individual to be the same, do accept my apologies but from all the other posts...it would seem to be the same person.

Look for goktimus/ego maximus/bestallstyle/calmguru/5 star praying mantis/mercilessfighter...he is the best person
to talk to. he is an expert in all styles especially northern.

Hey everybody, the legendary fighter have started new threads in other discussions!!!

For those of you who are out there and are beginning to get annoyed with this person...there's only so much a monk such as I can tolerate...Amitabha...check Muhammed's reply in

http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=71919378 21



and Goose's reply in:
http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891 902621&p=3

Which Shaolin is authentic. North or South.
As Sifu would say...there is no permanence and there should not be any discrimination.
The point is therefore, who cares.
The more Shaolin there are, the better. Be civilized and chivalrous in your behaviour. As martial artists, we are supposed to not forget that we learn this art to help others and ourselves in times of need...not be a thug!!!

Shaolin Temple
02-22-2001, 05:00 AM
Muhammed's reply in

http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891 902621&p=5 (http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891902621&p=5)

http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891 902621&p=6 (http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891902621&p=6)

and Goose's reply in:

http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891 902621&p=3 (http://forum.kungfuonline.com/1/OpenTopic?q=Y&a=tpc&s=126197291&f=196199028&m=8891902621&p=3)

Boris' reply:


Which Shaolin is authentic. North or South.
As Sifu would say...there is no permanence and there should not be any discrimination.
The point is therefore, who cares.
The more Shaolin there are, the better. Be civilized and chivalrous in your behaviour. As martial artists, we are supposed to not forget that we learn this art to help others and ourselves in times of need...not be a thug!!!

02-23-2001, 07:52 AM
Where did you get your facts from?YOU southern ****s.The manchurians trained mainly in northern praying mantis.Go and play with your lions and dance with it ,you bunch of whoosh....


02-23-2001, 08:28 AM
Whoosh? Is that the sound that your arse makes as mercilessfister takes his fist out of it? Or is it the sound that comes out of your mouth when he blows up your arse?

Fish of Fury
02-23-2001, 08:35 AM
it's actually the sound of a single lonely thought lost in LackAllStyles mind.(still, it's not a big mind so there's hope of escape)

02-23-2001, 09:06 AM
I'm glad you have pride in your style of fighting, but you should show some respect to your gung fu brothers. :p

Ben Gash
02-24-2001, 04:45 PM
Bestallstyle, why don't you enter the San Shou division at the Festival of Chinese Martial Arts in Oxford in April and I'll show you exactly how my Choy Li Fut fares against your mantis. You may want to bulk up a bit, as I'm 22, 6'2" and 210lbs, whereas you are almost certainly a skinny little 16 year old with bad skin. Keep writing that bad poetry about how girls don't like you in the hope that it makes you look sensitive.

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

02-25-2001, 01:42 AM
You southerners loves to get your arse kicked you probably enjoy it.ALL YOU OUT THERE ,DID YOU HEAR THE LATEST FROM DOWN UNDER ,a group came to one of the mantis dojo to challange there sensei and they got there arse kicked in and left with tails between there legs


Ben Gash
02-25-2001, 05:15 PM
You really need to spend more time on your English homework. You can't spell and your grammar is terrible.
I also didn't hear you say you'd be there...

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

02-26-2001, 12:18 AM
Don't bother arguing with these idiots guys, it is obvious they know nothing about kung fu. The best way to deal with a mantis is to use bug spray :).

03-02-2001, 04:17 AM
Okay Merciless you want proof then here goes:What style defeated northern kung fu? Well the truth is a Lama Kung Fu stylist did at one point and his name was:Wong Yan Lam.Maybe you heard of him? Anyhow legend has it that he erected a platform in canton to show the effectiveness of the style and in a two week period he defeated some of the best fighters,and became feared throughout all of china.Not only that but members of the ching dynasty also learned the style and defeated the monks of the shaolin temple in the sixteenth century.I am not saying that northern styles are'nt effective they are but you wanted proof so there you have it.

Lucky Red
03-02-2001, 10:44 PM
to whoever thinks northern is so much better
than Southern ......why do i even reply to this post

i dont know how this lame thought got into youre
head but there are No superior styles yes it is True a good Northern Stylist May beat a Southeren
and the other way around it all comes down to the
individual someone said Sothern styles lack speed
do you think Wing chun lack speed?

i myself Train Hung Gar and i like the Style very much it has every thing i need for the moment
i am to fight different People in the Near future
i have Fought many people some have beaten me
some have not usually it comes down to have Trained hardest and have more innate Abillities in
Fighting also sometimes people have a good day

this is just how things Works it has nothing to do about what style is best that is just Nonsense
i have yet to see a style that is invincible
i have seen Fighters that would shatter youre
poor illusion of reality . it seems you have trained and seen far to little

The Killer Bee and the Honey Bee have the exact same venom, the only difference is attitude.

03-03-2001, 06:57 AM
There are a lot of fakes,circus kungfu out there,esp the shaolin ,they developed there flowery style to impress the locals so they can get more handout and donations.we are the kungfu professionals.

kelvein chan

Lucky Red
03-03-2001, 11:53 AM

Lucky Red
03-03-2001, 11:54 AM
hahahahhahaha i laugh of youre Pathetic reply
youre post fu is no good

The Killer Bee and the Honey Bee have the exact same venom, the only difference is attitude.

03-04-2001, 01:34 AM
When you say kung fu pros, do you mean as in prostitutes? So you are kung fu prostitutes as well as being menstrual discharges.


03-04-2001, 07:01 AM
i tyr to incorper ate both northern long fist and southern white crane in to my fighting style. both complement each other. northern seems to be long to mid range fighting and southern white crane mid to short range maby each style emphasizes a different area but the out come is the same with any compleat system. dont let them hurtyou ... :eek:

03-04-2001, 01:48 PM

"The best way to deal with a mantis is to use bug spray."

I practise Southern Praying Mantis.
Please be careful... :D :D :D


TO: mercilessfighter, bestallstyle, 5star praying mantis

Haven't you learnt anything from your 'pro' kung fu training? Have you no respect?

You say that Southern Kung Fu practisioners are all words and no action. It is you who are all words and no action. You brag about how superior Northern KF is, and have no mettle to show it.


How many Southern KF stylists have you defeated? That is, southern stylists of equal expertise? Not rookies!

And don't give me crap about how we haven't come up with any names yet! It is you who continually harass Southern KF styles, not us. Turn your challenge around and solve it yourself!

It is the individual practisioner who possesses and uses his/her art. Kung Fu by itself is as useless as a car sitting in a dump. Comparing two styles by themselves is simply non-sensical.
As self-proclaimed 'pro' KF experts, you should already know that!

You three troublemakers cause only havoc and division amongst members of this board, and wreck what might otherwise be good and intelligent discussions. So switch off your computer and do some real Kung Fu study... it might help you before your frail psychological conditions deteriorate even further.


All I can do is shake my head and sigh.


[This message was edited by Juggler on 03-05-01 at 03:54 AM.]

Ben Gash
03-04-2001, 07:45 PM
Pro? Pro? They make their living by engaging in life and death combat against skilled martial artists? I really don't think so! You Live in Australia, not 1870s Canton!
The reason we aren't coming up with any names is because fighters such as Wong Fei Hung, Chan Heung, Lam Sai Wing and Tam Sam beat so many people they didn't bother keeping a record of names and styles.
The fact that Keo Yu Cheong respected Tam Sam enough to allow his students to train with him, and vice versa, suggests that he must have thought that his kung fu was worth something!
Really, this is getting old.

"Weapons are the embodiments of fear,
the wise use them only when they have no choice"
Lao Tzu

03-05-2001, 02:00 AM
I think the three antagonists need to be banned from these forums. Any moderators reading this?

03-06-2001, 12:56 AM
My apologies. I didn't mean all mantises :).

03-06-2001, 04:02 PM
Who let the dogs out?

03-10-2001, 06:54 AM
Your father did.

kelvein chan

03-11-2001, 01:22 AM
who cares? i mean really? good kung fu is good kung fu. northern strikes will smash through just about any defense. south hand work will tangle just about anyone up for a throw.
General Ch'ang Tung-Sheng won the Chinese National Koushu two times in his life - 19 yrs old and at 45 (i think). he trained in many styles of kung fu. when it comes to MA...it's the fight in the fighter....not always the way he fights.
you could have the most precise techniques in the world, but if i don't give up and keep coming at you no matter what, who will win? the man who is tougher or the man who has prettier techniques?
stop trying to see who can **** the furthest and go train.

Royal Dragon
03-17-2001, 10:23 PM
I study Tai Tzu Quan. The system is one of the original Northern Long Fist styles. But, guess what? The family that developed it also developed a SOUTHERn division!!! Why, because the Northern system had some holes to fill. Now, if you put the two together, add some Shui Chaio and Taji Quan, your going to be hard pressed to find a tougher fighter. Why you ask? because now you have some one who is skilled in ALL ranges. If the fight starts long range, our guy knows what to do, when it gets close up, he's covered there as well, the attacker wants to grappel? NO PROBLEM!!

My point here is this, stop arguing which is best, just cross train in both Northern AND Southern and be fully prepared, 'cause that's the guy thats going to be the hardest to beat.

If you study North Mantis, cross train in Southern Mantis If you do Wing Chun, cross train in one of the many Northern Long Fist styles.


end of argument

Royal Dragon

03-25-2001, 09:05 AM
... hehe, well, at least w/ this style, some of that cross is in the curriculum, Southern Hands, Northern Legs .. :)

I totally agree with someone who previously posted that it is the fighter .. not the art .. that determine's who's standing at the end of the match :)

You could give Michaelangelo any hammer and chisel and he'll make the greatest Sculpture .. you can give me the best hammer and chisel you can find and all you'll get is a smaller piece of stone .. haha :)

unclaimed effort
06-01-2001, 09:48 PM
Heard of Wong Fei Hung and Fong Sai Yuk? that's all i have to say. :)

If two tigers fight, the result will be one injured tiger.

Stillness in stillness is not real stillness. Stillness in motion is real stillness.

06-02-2001, 03:16 AM

How can such a great forum be spoiled by such sad losers. Anyone can type a great fight from behind their little tv screen.

Its actually real funny to read though....

I thought martial arts training instilled humility in students. Obviously i was wrong - maybe some of those posting replies are only learning from books and magazines. I suggest finding a good and honest Sifu.

A quick question though - if the northern style guy moved to the south of the country, who would win then? What if they were fighting on the equator? What if anyone really cared?