View Full Version : OT: Terry Jones(Monty Python) about the War.

Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 06:30 PM

Here are 2 articles written by Terry Jones of Monty Python fame about the IRAQ situation.

OK, George, make with the friendly bombs (http://www.observer.co.uk/worldview/story/0,11581,651633,00.html)

I'm losing patience with my neighbours, Mr Bush (http://www.observer.co.uk/comment/story/0,6903,882459,00.html)

Some might not like the way he puts things into perspective.

02-19-2003, 06:38 PM
Or takes them out of it, as the case may be.

He makes a good argument. Too bad it doesn't have anything to do with the war.

Please pay attention:

Pre-emptive attack is bad.
This war is not about pre-emptive attack.

Filling the media with a position which everyone agrees with and falsely associating it with a policy under debate is called propaganda. It is a way of lying to people so you can control what they do, say, and think. It's different than a picture of a swimsuit model holding a sign saying "People who hate Bush get to have sex with me" only in degree of subtlety.

The grounding for war is based upon a 12-year violation of UN legislation. There's nothing pre-emptive about that, and it's entirely unrelated to the argument Terry Jones makes.

Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 06:59 PM

I couldn' care what you think about it, nor anyone else.

So shut your TRAP the Post is for EVERYONE not for your benefit to enlighten me or anybody else, or proof your superiority as you are so fond of doing.

In your eagerness to crusade against me you overlooked that the Guy is a Comedian.

02-19-2003, 07:02 PM
pretty funny articles, in a serious way :D


sapphire tygre
02-19-2003, 07:05 PM
T.J.,.... What a fruit. Saddam terrorizes innocent people for years, but hey, he's a diplomat, the rules of civilization shoudn't apply to him. Fuzzy and dangerous logic there. Whatever, just another fruity "english" guy spouting off.

02-19-2003, 07:07 PM
Settle down there, big guy.

sapphire tygre
02-19-2003, 07:14 PM
terry jones... america is going to annex england, beer will be strictly rationed and watered down. Tintin has joined our ranks and Captain Haddock just punched out prince charles.

02-19-2003, 07:17 PM
u guys still have tintin there?:confused: or r u just showing your age? :p


Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 07:17 PM
Originally posted by sapphire tygre
terry jones... america is going to annex england, beer will be strictly rationed and watered down. Tintin has joined our ranks and Captain Haddock just punched out prince charles.

Does that mean that the Pubs will finally stay open longer??

:D :D

02-19-2003, 07:18 PM
they stay open longer in scotland than england :p


Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 07:20 PM
Originally posted by dezhen2001
u guys still have tintin there?:confused: or r u just showing your age? :p


Still repeated over here about once a Year.

Gimme "Yoko Tsuno" over Tintin any day of the week.
Ooops, showing my age here.

02-19-2003, 07:23 PM
thank goodness i have no idea what ur on about :D


Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 07:27 PM
It's an old Belgium MA(sorta) Comic.

Used to be bound like the old Asterix Comics.

Yoko Tsuno (http://come.to/yokotsuno/)

sapphire tygre
02-19-2003, 07:29 PM
Yoko Tsuno?

Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 07:42 PM
Check the link in the Post above yours.

Yoko is Erasian, did some JMA and has wonderful adventures.

There are baddies, friends from the future, etc.

Just the right reading for the teen I was.

sapphire tygre
02-19-2003, 07:57 PM
I might see if the bookstore has it. They have a huge selection of comics. Funny I never heard of it before.

Laughing Cow
02-19-2003, 08:00 PM
Originally posted by sapphire tygre
I might see if the bookstore has it. They have a huge selection of comics. Funny I never heard of it before.

It has only been recently (last few Years) translated to English.
Amazon does carry stock of the ones translated so far.

Mind that it is over 20yrs old and might seem a bit outdated.

sapphire tygre
02-19-2003, 08:11 PM
Might seem a bit outdated? Not a problem. But yes, with comics people can get touchy about that. Just like very good comics, which should come with a high quality warning.

02-19-2003, 08:34 PM
Originally posted by dezhen2001
u guys still have tintin there?:confused: or r u just showing your age? :p


tintin...why do i know that name?. :)

02-19-2003, 08:46 PM
As long as we're being 'funny'... (http://www.reason.com/0303/bagge.shtml)

...maybe some of these ppl will help you out. (http://ahmed-mohammed.mindswap.net/NakedPeace.html) [are you at work? nononono...]

02-19-2003, 08:55 PM
Braden is correct.


while the war ISN'T about a preemptive strike, the US government has, in many cases, been describing it as such in the media.

So, while attacking that argument does nothing to demonstrate that war is wrong, it's certainly fair for TJ to point out how absurd it is.

There, we're both right. Now, you two hug. :D

02-19-2003, 09:41 PM
Yay! *hugZ*

Chang Style Novice
02-19-2003, 10:08 PM
If the war is about 12 year old UN legislation

a - why didn't it happen 12 years ago?
b - why is the US waging it instead of the UN?

The reasons on paper and the actual reasons don't seem to gibe.

02-19-2003, 10:31 PM
Chang -

a - 12 years ago 'we' were at the gates of Baghdad, and Saddam negotiated a surrender. Yes, we could have 'finished' it then, but it would have involved assassinating a foreign leader and laying siege to a major world city, while they all scream as loud as possible that they'll do anything to surrender. In other words, it's not a superior alternative to what happened.

b - UN isn't an organization that fights wars. It's an organization which [at least tries] to support [at least some concept of] international law.

"The reasons on paper and the actual reasons don't seem to gibe."

If you mean the actual reasons vs. the reasons people are spending all their time talking about, you're exactly right.

01-22-2020, 10:31 AM
Today I mourn. :(

Terry Jones, 'Monty Python' Co-Founder and British Comedy Icon, Dies at 77 (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/news/terry-jones-dead-monty-python-founder-british-comedy-icon-was-77-963478)
4:49 AM PST 1/22/2020 by Alex Ritman

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Terry Jones

The beloved actor, screenwriter, director, author and historian was known as the famed troupe's underrated but passionate heart.
Terry Jones, a founding member of Monty Python and a beloved comedian, screenwriter, film director, poet, historian and author, has died. He was 77.

His agent confirmed his death to the BBC. He had been suffering from dementia, which was revealed publicly by his son, Bill, in September 2016. It left him unable to speak.

"We are deeply saddened to have to announce the passing of beloved husband and father, Terry Jones," his family said in a statement.

"Terry passed away on the evening of 21 January 2020 at the age of 77 with his wife Anna Soderstrom by his side after a long, extremely brave but always good humoured battle with a rare form of dementia, FTD.

"Over the past few days his wife, children, extended family and many close friends have been constantly with Terry as he gently slipped away at his home in North London. We have all lost a kind, funny, warm, creative and truly loving man whose uncompromising individuality, relentless intellect and extraordinary humour has given pleasure to countless millions across six decades."

Renowned for his depictions of middle-aged housewives, often with hysterically falsetto voices, it was Jones who would famously scream the iconic line, "He's not the Messiah, he's a very naughty boy," while playing mother to the titular not-quite-son-of-god in the 1979 comedy Monty Python's Life of Brian, which he also directed. The line twice was voted the funniest in film history in U.K. polls.

Although rarely receiving the same acclaim as Monty Python's other members, Jones as widely regarded within the group as its underrated but passionate heart, known for his good-natured enthusiasm and a deep well of intelligence across a broad range of subjects.

A biographer once commented that should you speak to Jones "on subjects as diverse as fossil fuels, or Rupert Bear, or mercenaries in the Middle Ages or Modern China … in a moment you will find yourself hopelessly out of your depth, floored by his knowledge."

Born in North Wales, Jones read English at Oxford University, where he met his long-term collaborator and friend, Michael Palin. The two would star together in the college's comedy troupe The Oxford Revue, and after graduation, they appeared in the 1967 TV sketch comedy Twice a Fortnight.

Two years later, they created The Complete and Utter History of Britain, which featured comedy sketches from history as if TV had been around at the time. It was on the show Do Not Adjust Your Set where they would be introduced to fellow comic Eric Idle, who had starred alongside John Cleese and Graham Chapman in productions mounted by the Cambridge University theatrical club the Footlights.

The five — together with Terry Gilliam, whom Cleese had met in New York — would quickly pool their talents for a new show. Monty Python's Flying Circus was born and ran on the BBC for four seasons between 1969 and 1974, with Jones driving much of the show's early innovation.

Among his most famous performances in the series were Jones as an inept, bumbling cardinal in the Spanish Inquisition (seen wearing a leather WWI pilot's hat and goggles); a member of the Hell's Grannies, a marauding group of old women terrorizing the streets of London; an overly apologetic French waiter in a sketch involving a dirty fork; a Yorkshireman who had to "get up out of the shoebox in the middle of the night and lick the road clean with our tongues"; and a nude piano player with an erratic face in scenes often used to break up sketches.

After the TV show ended, Jones co-directed with Gilliam the troupe's first big-screen outing, Monty Python and the Holy Grail (1975), in which Jones also played, among other roles, Sir Bedevere the Wise, Prince Herbert ("Father, I just want to sing!") and a member of the dreaded Knights who say "Ni."

For Life of Brian (1979) and Monty Python's The Meaning of Life (1983), Jones took on sole directing duties, having amicably agreed with Gilliam that his approach was better suited to the group's performing style.

Away from the Pythons, Jones would keep directing, helming the comedy Personal Services (1987), the all-star comedy-fantasy Erik the Viking (1989) and The Wind in the Willows (1996) while turning back to TV for episodes of The Young Indiana Jones Chronicles on ABC and the British comedy series Ripping Yarns, which he created with Palin.

Meanwhile, Jones was becoming a prolific children's author. Between 1981 and 2002, he published 20 fiction novels, including Fairy Tales — selected by Children's Laureate Michael Rosen as one of his five best children's stories of all time — and The Saga of Erik the Viking, from which the film Erik the Viking was loosely based. Jones also wrote the first draft of the early script for Jim Henson's David Bowie-starring cult adventure fantasy Labyrinth (1986), and despite the screenplay going through several rewrites, received the film's sole screenwriting credit.

Adding to an already hugely impressive repertoire, Jones became known as a noted scholar of medieval and ancient history, writing several nonfiction books and presenting shows on British television that often offered an alternative view of historical periods. He was Emmy-nominated in 2004 for Terry Jones' Medieval Lives, which argued that the Middle Age was a far more sophisticated period than commonly believed.

A vocal opponent of the Iraq War, Jones contributed editorials to British newspapers The Guardian, The Daily Telegraph and The Observer condemning the conflict and the U.K.'s involvement in it. Many of his articles were published in the 2004 book Terry Jones's War on the War on Terror.

Jones' most recent work included the 2012 film A Liar's Autobiography: The Untrue Story of Monty Python's Graham Chapman, which was co-directed by his son Bill and in which he, naturally, played Chapman's mother. He also returned to the director's chair for the sci-fi comedy Absolutely Anything (2014), featuring the voices of Palin, Gilliam, Cleese, Idle and, in his final movie role, Robin Williams. (It was the first film to feature all living Python members since The Meaning of Life.)

Jones also reunited with his fellow comics one final time on stage in 2014 for Monty Python Live (Mostly), held in London's O2 arena and intended as a one-off until popular demand saw nine extra dates added.

Jones is survived by Soderstrom and their daughter, Siri, who was born in 2009, alongside his two children from his first marriage.

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