Mr Punch
03-24-2003, 03:49 AM
Royal Dragon
Would it be better to focus more money on the development of alternative, sustainable fuel sources so that we no longer have this dependence on oil?
Reply]
YES!, but that is not enough. Oil is used in solvents, lubercants, making plastics, refrigerant's, coolents, and has been integrated it in to our lives SO DEEPLY, that without it, we would revert to a caveman existence in a blink.
Much of our medical tecnology would beome un-functional, because of all the plastics in medical equipment (A syringe is plastic for instance), cars would cease to function without oil to lubercate the engines, transmission, differentials and axials.
Computers would cease to exist without plastics for insulation and the cases not to mention disks, DVD Roms, and floppies.
The refrigerants you use in your house hold refigerator is also derived from oil, and without it, we would not be able to store food, all manufacturing would grind to a hault LITERALLY because the machines used in mass production require lubercants to run. Without it, they seize the same as running a car without Oil. That means we would have NOTHING in the stores. No tooth brushes, not breakfast cereal, not even milk (Unless you have your own cow) No TV's, Vcr's, Sterios, nothing. No soap, anything you buy in a supemarket is made, processed, or shiped by machines that require some form of lubercant. Even the fork lift run on Propane has an internal combustion engine that requires oil to lubercate it's bearings, and coolants to keep it form over heating. We owe our ENTIRE EXISTANCE to oil. Without it, we are cavemen again, and way to over populated to support ourselves without the technologys we have, technologies that DEPEND on oil. Heck, even with food production, the combines that harvest our crops need oil to lubercate their motors, and other mechanical parts. Without oil dependant farm equipment, we cannot produce enough food to feed everyone.
Even the ELECTRIC CAR has bearing in the axials, and in the electric motor itself that are lubercated with oils, or greases derived from Crude oil.
Oil is an absoLUTE nessecety for survival. The smartest thing for the US to do, is sit on our reserves until the rest of the world runs out, make sure we have the biggest baddest army there is to fight off others trying to conquer us for the oil we have, and hope by that time some sort of replacement technology has been developed. At least by then, being the only world source for it will ensure our survival, and hopefully buy us the time to figure out how to ensure everyones survival.
If you think about this, you will see I am right.
No sir, to use the old KFO staple, you are the polar opposite of right.
Here are some links you might find interesting about alternative to oil for engines and lubricants. The Biodiesel site is sponsored in part by an American soybean marketing association, but there doesn't seem to be too much at fault with their science... Please let me know, in your wisdom, as you have obviously thought about this, if you have any evidence to the contrary. (http://www.h2fc.com/news.html)
http://www.hfcletter.com/]
http://www.biodiesel.com/biodiesel_fuel.htm
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/gen-162.pdf
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/gen-284.pdf
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/
To be fair here's one for you, a link claiming that rapeseed is a higher percentage carcinogen. Though there is absolutely no evidence on the follow up link, just a big empty site: and this one can't even seem to tell us if it was refined or pure rapeseed, or what temperature it was fired at... Still, they try. (http://www.eces.org/articles/static/97962480042572.shtml)
Don't agree with some of this, but it still has some interesting information for you, if you are actually interested in learning, rather than spouting unsupported nonsense. (http://www.keygraphics.com/energy/who_we_are.html)
Sorry, no time to find much substantiated stuff disproving your plastics nonsense... so here're some useful pieces of scientific and a lot of emotive unsupported diatribe...! Don't agree with all of this either... (http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/6th-Basic-Food-Group.htm)
http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/plastic.htm
Haven't got time to find any more, but please don't make quite such outrageously unsupported claims.
BTW, Bush pledged $1.2 bill for research into biodiesel, in his state of the union address in 2002. Haven't time to check the figures on this, but I guess this is a small fraction of the subsidies, legislation and research into petroluem products from the Bush administration. Still I appreciate it's a start for a small industry... although the industry would get bigger much quicker with a bigger start!
Would it be better to focus more money on the development of alternative, sustainable fuel sources so that we no longer have this dependence on oil?
Reply]
YES!, but that is not enough. Oil is used in solvents, lubercants, making plastics, refrigerant's, coolents, and has been integrated it in to our lives SO DEEPLY, that without it, we would revert to a caveman existence in a blink.
Much of our medical tecnology would beome un-functional, because of all the plastics in medical equipment (A syringe is plastic for instance), cars would cease to function without oil to lubercate the engines, transmission, differentials and axials.
Computers would cease to exist without plastics for insulation and the cases not to mention disks, DVD Roms, and floppies.
The refrigerants you use in your house hold refigerator is also derived from oil, and without it, we would not be able to store food, all manufacturing would grind to a hault LITERALLY because the machines used in mass production require lubercants to run. Without it, they seize the same as running a car without Oil. That means we would have NOTHING in the stores. No tooth brushes, not breakfast cereal, not even milk (Unless you have your own cow) No TV's, Vcr's, Sterios, nothing. No soap, anything you buy in a supemarket is made, processed, or shiped by machines that require some form of lubercant. Even the fork lift run on Propane has an internal combustion engine that requires oil to lubercate it's bearings, and coolants to keep it form over heating. We owe our ENTIRE EXISTANCE to oil. Without it, we are cavemen again, and way to over populated to support ourselves without the technologys we have, technologies that DEPEND on oil. Heck, even with food production, the combines that harvest our crops need oil to lubercate their motors, and other mechanical parts. Without oil dependant farm equipment, we cannot produce enough food to feed everyone.
Even the ELECTRIC CAR has bearing in the axials, and in the electric motor itself that are lubercated with oils, or greases derived from Crude oil.
Oil is an absoLUTE nessecety for survival. The smartest thing for the US to do, is sit on our reserves until the rest of the world runs out, make sure we have the biggest baddest army there is to fight off others trying to conquer us for the oil we have, and hope by that time some sort of replacement technology has been developed. At least by then, being the only world source for it will ensure our survival, and hopefully buy us the time to figure out how to ensure everyones survival.
If you think about this, you will see I am right.
No sir, to use the old KFO staple, you are the polar opposite of right.
Here are some links you might find interesting about alternative to oil for engines and lubricants. The Biodiesel site is sponsored in part by an American soybean marketing association, but there doesn't seem to be too much at fault with their science... Please let me know, in your wisdom, as you have obviously thought about this, if you have any evidence to the contrary. (http://www.h2fc.com/news.html)
http://www.hfcletter.com/]
http://www.biodiesel.com/biodiesel_fuel.htm
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/gen-162.pdf
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/reportsdatabase/reports/gen/gen-284.pdf
http://www.biodiesel.org/resources/
To be fair here's one for you, a link claiming that rapeseed is a higher percentage carcinogen. Though there is absolutely no evidence on the follow up link, just a big empty site: and this one can't even seem to tell us if it was refined or pure rapeseed, or what temperature it was fired at... Still, they try. (http://www.eces.org/articles/static/97962480042572.shtml)
Don't agree with some of this, but it still has some interesting information for you, if you are actually interested in learning, rather than spouting unsupported nonsense. (http://www.keygraphics.com/energy/who_we_are.html)
Sorry, no time to find much substantiated stuff disproving your plastics nonsense... so here're some useful pieces of scientific and a lot of emotive unsupported diatribe...! Don't agree with all of this either... (http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/6th-Basic-Food-Group.htm)
http://www.mindfully.org/Plastic/plastic.htm
Haven't got time to find any more, but please don't make quite such outrageously unsupported claims.
BTW, Bush pledged $1.2 bill for research into biodiesel, in his state of the union address in 2002. Haven't time to check the figures on this, but I guess this is a small fraction of the subsidies, legislation and research into petroluem products from the Bush administration. Still I appreciate it's a start for a small industry... although the industry would get bigger much quicker with a bigger start!