Keysi Fighting Method?

[Ben Gash]

Another new school in town (man, when I started there was TKD, Karate or Judo). Looks like some kind of JKD substrate. Some of their postures look pretty retarded. Anyone seen it? Is it any good?

[Shuul Vis]

Looks silly to me. Heres a link: http://www.ukbusinessportal.info/s000043p0001.html#linkhere

[phoenix-eye]

Hi Ben

There's always lots of stuff about Keysi in Martial Arts Illustrated magazine. (Although that mag seems to be just one big advert for the editor's pals at the moment)

I've not seen it in the flesh though - seems a bit like JKD. Invented by some Spanish guy I think.

I was down in Wooton Bassett the other week - could've met up for a pint.....

Cheers
PE

[red5angel]

http://www.keysikfm.com/engl/index.htm


anyone know anything about this fighting style? I have a freind who is asking about it but I've never heard of it.

[MasterKiller]

Has it been 3 months already?

[Mr Punch]

LMAO :D

[red5angel]

shut up chubby.


I ask because a freind of mine is looking to get into the martial arts in another state and he was checking out Keysi. I've never heard of it. how ever I expected your special brand of fat retardedness. Thanks for reaffirming your stupidity and checking in.

[Mr Punch]

LMAO :D

[red5angel]

I've heard it's just a rip off of JKD or something, with a more "spiritual" bent to it, or atleast "good" marketing.

[MasterKiller]

but I've never heard of it.

I've heard it's just a rip off of JKD or something Is that another Red5 Flip-Flop?

[red5angel]

you still here fatso?

[MasterKiller]

Yep...I'm still doing the same thing I always do. It's been a couple of months...shouldn't you be moving on to something else?

[red5angel]

you mean your still on weight watchers?

[MasterKiller]

I'm 6'0; 179 lbs; 33-inch waist. What's your stats, porkpie?

[red5angel]

is that your ideal stats chubs? how much more do you have to drop to reach that? Maybe if your fights lasted longer then 5 minutes you could lose more weight?

[MasterKiller]

Fighting is nothing like your aerobic classes...er...dance classes...er...capoeria, porkpie.

If you ever get some real training, maybe I'll show you someday.

[red5angel]

I told you man, you got to get it down to beating me in 2 minutes or less, 5 minutes isn't even worth showing up for. If I'm going to make the trip you gotta have the skeewz. Besides, I'd have to gain some weight to make it fair unless you stick with your weight watchers program tubby.

[MasterKiller]

What's your stats?

[red5angel]

I'm 6'1; 180 lbs; 32-inch waist and most of my fights don't take 5 minutes ;)

[MasterKiller]

I'm sure they don't. Your combined 9 months of training hasn't prepared you to last more than a minute or two against a real fighter.

I bet you can Tango your @ss off all night long though.

[red5angel]

I'm sure they don't. Your combined 9 weeks of weight watchers hasn't prepared you to lose more than a pound or two when faced with a good meal.

I bet you can stuff your face all night long though.

[MasterKiller]

Just like your neo-con idols, all you can do is resort to baseless ad hominem attacks because your record is empty. Maybe you should spend the next 3 months researching junior colleges instead of flip-flopping between MA styles.

[red5angel]

what was your record again? Other then threatening to beat people up in 100 words or less?

[MasterKiller]

Seven years in one style. You can't manage 1 year in any style. You can't even put all your training together to equal 1/3 of mine.

[red5angel]

your kidding right tubby?

[MasterKiller]

You weigh more than me, porkpie. You tell me.

[red5angel]

I see you've resorted to making a lot of assumptions, as usual, except this is some retarded political thread where you start throwing around your psychotic conspiracy theories.....I think you should stick to trying to kick my ass in 5 minutes, sounds like a worthy goal, just lose some weight fatty and practice more kungfu.

[MasterKiller]

Like I said before, five minutes was a conservative estimate. I would destory you in 2 minutes or less; unless I became distracted by your handstands and dancing, in which case, it might take a little longer for me to stop laughing before I break your arm.

[red5angel]

shouldn't you be scarfing down your third breakfast?

[MasterKiller]

You tell me, porkpie. You outweigh me.

[MasterKiller]

I'm 6'1; 180 lbs; 32-inch waist and most of my fights don't take 5 minutes
Was this Stormtrooper 6'4? Eh, shorty?

http://www.angelfire.com/blog/red5angel/characters.html

[red5angel]

you're too quick for me! I didn't know you fat guys could be so smart! ;)

[MasterKiller]

Red5 must live in the land of giants.

http://mrffriends.tripod.com/images/picture/ss.jpg


Either that, or he's short and porky.

[red5angel]

now you're stalking me on the internet? Thats just weird chubo

[MasterKiller]

Shut up, shorty.

[MasterKiller]

This is the TALLEST Wing Chun class in the world (because the shortest guy is 6'1 :rolleyes: ).

http://home.mn.rr.com/wingchun/images/groupix.jpg

That 6'1 chick should be in the WNBA. :D

[red5angel]

should I expect you outside my bedroom window some point this week MK?
I'll just look for the big fat creepy kid.

[MasterKiller]

What was that, shorty? I couldn't hear you from down there.

Remind me to bring you a step-stool for our fight.

[Meat Shake]

Holy ****, I cant believe this thread is still going. Ive taken a nap, a fat ****, got the woman off, went to bill millers for some Q, took another ****, and this thread is still going?
Bah.

[Oso]

True love is hard to kill.....

:D :p

[old jong]

How many times do you have to **** in a typical day?...;)

[red5angel]

short-round is stalking me! I can't help it!

"no time for love Dr. jones!"

[Meat Shake]

Originally posted by old jong
How many times do you have to **** in a typical day?...;)

Not as many since I quit drinking coffee. ;)

Some days there really isnt much to do around the office but **** and sleep.
Or yak on KFM, which is about as productive as those activities listed above.
...
Or eat. Lots of food to eat here as I work at a brokerage.
Oh yeah, sometimes "taking a ****" means taking a nap. If its too busy in the office for me to get a good nap, Ill go sit on the throne where no one will bother me. :D

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
short-round is stalking me! I can't help it!

"no time for love Dr. jones!" Are you flip-flopping again, pee-wee? I thought I was chubby?

[old jong]

Life "As the world turns"...:D :D :D

[red5angel]

short-ROUND - I should have been more clear but I forgot reading comprehension isn't your forte.

[red5angel]

great! now your antics are attracting the canadians! ;) :D

[old jong]

I heard the rumble over the border and I wondered...An other "civil war"?...;) :D

[red5angel]

That's right! I've declared war on fat southerners! OR in the parlance of our time, I'm hoggin'!!! YEEEEEEHHAAAAAAAAAW!!!!!

[Meat Shake]

I hear rumbles over the border but its usually from the queso fundido or borracho beans.

[red5angel]

you got a real flatulance fetish do't you MS?

[old jong]

So,It's the short northeners vs the fat southerners?...It's going to be even better than Irak!...:D

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
short-ROUND - I should have been more clear but I forgot reading comprehension isn't your forte. Sorry....but you made an obvious Indiana Jones reference, pee-wee. And Short-Round was a skinny little Asian kid. Get your story straight, Flip-Flopper!

[old jong]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
I hear rumbles over the border but its usually from the queso fundido or borracho beans.

Do you have a pc near the throne?... ;)

[red5angel]

short anf fat southerners, and according to atleast one short and fat southerner, this war will only take 5 minutes...or so, he keeps changing his mind so you can never tell.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
short anf fat southerners, and according to atleast one short and fat southerner, this war will only take 5 minutes...or so, he keeps changing his mind so you can never tell. No....I really am 6'0 and 179 lbs, pee-wee.

When your wife said I had six inches on you, I didn't know she meant height!

[old jong]

Originally posted by red5angel
short anf fat southerners, and according to atleast one short and fat southerner, this war will only take 5 minutes...or so, he keeps changing his mind so you can never tell.

Do you think history will repeat itself and the north will win again?...:)

[red5angel]

I bet it doesn't take 5 minutes to box that "6 inches" does it MK.....

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
I bet it doesn't take 5 minutes to box that "6 inches" does it MK..... No, pee-wee, your wife topped me off in about 3 1/2.

[red5angel]

that depends OJ, do I play his "endurance game" and take 5 minutes or do I play like the big boys and end it quick ;)


MK, quit lyin', we know you don't do girls.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
that depends OJ, do I play his "endurance game" and take 5 minutes or do I play like the big boys and end it quick ;) I'm sure your d34dly 9 months of training has prepared you to do just that. :rolleyes:

[red5angel]

apparently my 9 months has prepared me better then your 9 years, see - 5 minutes seemed like an awful long time to me. Oh! unless you were just going to toy with me? Can't be, you fat guys can't run so you'd have to go for a quick kill. Guess you need to go back to training.

[old jong]

A short musical break (http://www.topeuro.co.uk/blagger/the_duel.html) and back to the thread in progress. Live from KFM! :)

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
apparently my 9 months has prepared me better then your 9 years, see - 5 minutes seemed like an awful long time to me. Oh! unless you were just going to toy with me? Can't be, you fat guys can't run so you'd have to go for a quick kill. Guess you need to go back to training. You're 6-inches shorter than me and still outweigh me. I'd put down that twinkie if I were you, pee-wee. If you can't reach the counter, maybe you can ask someone to help.

[Chang Style Novice]

I'm just glad I didn't have to watch Ned Beatty get sodomized by a cartoon penguin.

[red5angel]

6 inches shorter? now I see how you got your 6 inches in that las post. I'd recommend getting a ruler on your out of weight watchers tonight.

Hey OJ, what are the chances we could get you into a bikini? At the end of every page of posts you could come out holding a sign letting everyone know what round it is, oh yeah, and odn't forget to shake it, not the sign......

[Meat Shake]

"Do you have a pc near the throne?... "

No... But it sure would be nice if I did.
When I have the money for it Ill certainly leave a lapper by the crapper.
;)

[old jong]

Originally posted by red5angel
6 inches shorter? now I see how you got your 6 inches in that las post. I'd recommend getting a ruler on your out of weight watchers tonight.

Hey OJ, what are the chances we could get you into a bikini? At the end of every page of posts you could come out holding a sign letting everyone know what round it is, oh yeah, and odn't forget to shake it, not the sign......

But,I look so much better in a g-string!!! :eek:

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
6 inches shorter?
I'm guessing that chick is about 5'6. Funny thing, you are 6'1 and the same height!

http://home.mn.rr.com/wingchun/images/groupix.jpg

[old jong]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
I'm just glad I didn't have to watch Ned Beatty get sodomized by a cartoon penguin.

I guess he got his heavy frontal wrinkle while shooting that scene!...:eek:

[Meat Shake]

Originally posted by old jong
I guess he got his heavy frontal wrinkle while shooting that scene!...:eek:

*Smashes face repeatedly against wall*

[old jong]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
"Do you have a pc near the throne?... "

No... But it sure would be nice if I did.
When I have the money for it Ill certainly leave a lapper by the crapper.
;)

"A lapper by the crapper"!!!... :D :D :D

[old jong]

WTF is Keysi BTW?....

[red5angel]

WTF is Keysi BTW?....

THAT"S WHAT I WAS TRYING TO FIND OUT!!!! Until that fat guys started stalking me. I might have to get a restraining order or something, he's creepy...and fat.

[MasterKiller]

At least I can pee in the big boy urinal.

[red5angel]

well good for you, next I assume you'll be working on dressing yourself?

[MasterKiller]

Do you still have to buy your jeans in the "husky" section?

[red5angel]

It's got so bad your slamming yourself MK? That's just sad....

[old jong]

An other musical break (http://svt.se/hogafflahage/hogafflaHage_site/Kor/hestekor.swf) and back to the thread,live on KFM. :cool:

[Oso]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
Not as many since I quit drinking coffee. ;)

Some days there really isnt much to do around the office but **** and sleep.
Or yak on KFM, which is about as productive as those activities listed above.
...
Or eat. Lots of food to eat here as I work at a brokerage.
Oh yeah, sometimes "taking a ****" means taking a nap. If its too busy in the office for me to get a good nap, Ill go sit on the throne where no one will bother me. :D

LOL, spoken like a real man cuz only a real man could take a nap on the ****ter.

[FngSaiYuk]

OK, I just have to put it out there... this is one of THE MOST ENTERTAINING threads I've seen. Seems both red5 & MK have the endurance and there've been great shots landed by both.

D@MN more entertaining than the BL vs antiBL threads that seem to infect normally informative or interesting threads.

Oh... and the dueling banjos interlude was perfect! Altho' the singing horses are kinda creepy when you click on them in a particular combination...

Good stuff....

[red5angel]

I kinda enjoyed the singing horses.....oddly apropriate considering the horses azz that is stalking me.

[Meat Shake]

Originally posted by Oso
LOL, spoken like a real man cuz only a real man could take a nap on the ****ter.

Oh, Ive been doing it since my days of carrying out groceries.
Elbow to knee, palm to chin, lean against wall or side of stall.
;)

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by Meat Shake
Oh, Ive been doing it since my days of carrying out groceries.
Elbow to knee, palm to chin, lean against wall or side of stall.
;) O master, you have found the secret fourth empty hand form of wing chun. It is art of kicking ass and looking cool (note the lean after you've dispatched your opponent).

I can sleep anywhere in an instant.

This thread pwns!

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
I kinda enjoyed the singing horses.....oddly apropriate considering the horses azz that is stalking me. Stalking you? I can't even see you, pee-wee! Talk to me again when you grow another six inches and can play with the grownups. And I mean in height, we can all see your tummy and man-tits have already started growing in girth.

[red5angel]

dude, you want to be me so bad I can taste it. I bet you didn't even take up kungfu until you heard I was doing it. Followed me to this forum, stalking me on the internet, using my material....you got a serious issue fatty.


MS - I've never personally slept in the sh!tter but I know a guy who passed out during a party while dropping a load. They finaly got the door open cause the guy wouldn't open it )We didn't know he was passed out and we thought something was seriously wrong_ and there he was, but he wasn't on the toilet anymore, he was pretty much on the carpet in front of it, ass in the air, pants down around his ankles! I have pictures somehwere I may have to break those out.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
dude, you want to be me so bad I can taste it. I bet you didn't even take up kungfu until you heard I was doing it. Followed me to this forum, stalking me on the internet, using my material....you got a serious issue fatty. Sorry, I started kung fu 7 years ago, well before you started flip-flopping between styles, pee-wee.

What's next for you, midget wrestling?

[red5angel]

7 year sof training and still takes you 5 minutes to win a fight against someone who is supposed to only have 9 months?! :eek: It sounds like you need to do some flip flopping! Also the flip flopping might help you attain your weight watchers goals.

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
7 year sof training and still takes you 5 minutes to win a fight against someone who is supposed to only have 9 months?! :eek: It sounds like you need to do some flip flopping! Also the flip flopping might help you attain your weight watchers goals. The first 3 minutes would be laughing at your stubby little arms while you did handstand kicks and danced like a monkey. It would take me another minute to pee after laughing so hard at your midgetness. In the last minute, I would break your nose and arm. Afterwards, I would probably hire you to be my personal midget.

How do you wipe your butt with those stubby midget arms?

[red5angel]

It would take me another minute to pee

that's in the big boy urinals now, right?

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
that's in the big boy urinals now, right? Yep, the one's that are too tall for you stubby midget legs to reach.

[red5angel]

I use a foot stool, and atleast I can fit into the stalls in the first place chubbo

[MasterKiller]

I would think that big midget head would impede your ability to fit in small spaces. Good for you. You are an inspiration to little people everywhere for fighting to overcome the obstacles life throws at you. I applaud you. You could clap too, but your stubby midget arms probably make that impossible.

[red5angel]

is this all you've got fatty? I can see your mouth-fu is as good as your kungfu.....you should find a new school, for both.

[MasterKiller]

Maybe you could give me some advice on switching schools. You have a lot of experience on that subject.

[red5angel]

I'd recommend ANY school that can teach you to end a fight in less then 5 minutes. A school that would keep you exercising regularly would help too.

[MasterKiller]

Are we talking 5 minutes against midgets like you, or against normal people?

[red5angel]

we're talking about you taking 5 minutes to win a fight against ANYONE.

I recommend more mma type training and less tma forms work....

[MasterKiller]

What makes you think I do forms all day long? Does being a midget also make you stupid?

[red5angel]

you can't be sparring or training for real fighting.....

[red5angel]

I see your representing speedo now?

[MasterKiller]

Picture of Red5 at his last tournament (bandana).

[red5angel]

holy cap, I found the car of your dreams MK!!!

[MasterKiller]

Red5's capoeria class photo.... (http://www.microwrestling.com/Group1.jpg)

[red5angel]

I bet anyone of those three guys could take your fat azz. I bet in under 5 minutes too

[MasterKiller]

How do you type so fast with those stubby midget fingers, pee-wee?

[Kristoffer]

yo Yo..
oh... wait, this isn't the battle thread

[red5angel]

probably the same way you do....I FAT finger it.....

[MasterKiller]

Maybe you should do that to your wife more often and then she'd quit calling me.

[red5angel]

what's she calling you? "fat"? "Chunky"? She's just calling it like it is sister.

wait til she stats poking your pendulous b!tcht!ts just to see you cry.

[MasterKiller]

What size man-zier do you wear? Do you find it constricts your midget-sized man-tits?

[CaptinPickAxe]

Okay, girls.
Either squash the lovefest or meet up and fight eachother.

I'm tired of watching you two argue like a bunch of pixies.

[red5angel]

how about I just kick your butt when you get up here CPA? I promise I won't take 5 minutes to do it ;) :D

[MasterKiller]

You feeling froggy, CPA?

[CaptinPickAxe]

I'll put a hurtin' on both of you schoolgirls at the same and make off with both of your wives...

Maybe then you can get along

[red5angel]

I don't get along with fat people very well.....

[CaptinPickAxe]

You want me to be special guest referee?

I swear not to put anyone in the camel clutch.

Okay...and I won't elbow drop anyone from the top rope.

Fine, no fish hooks.

WHAT!?! I can't even hit anyone with a fold up chair?

Fine, screw it! I didn't want to be you'r special guest referee anyways.:mad:

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
I don't get along with fat people very well..... No wonder your self-esteem is so low. You need to remind yourself every day that midgets are wonderful people, Red5. Even midgets with "C" cup man-tits.

[Meat Shake]

"You want me to be special guest referee?"

I nominate GDA's avatar to be the "special" guest referee.
:eek:

[old jong]

We take a short break (http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/dengdeng.swf) and we are back to the thread of the century!...:cool:

[FngSaiYuk]

Originally posted by old jong
We take a short break (http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/dengdeng.swf) and we are back to the thread of the century!...:cool:

Oh, that one I've seen/heard before... but it's still soooooooooo funny!!!

This *IS* one of the most entertaining threads I've seen in a while!

[MasterKiller]

Red5's billboard (http://www.dribbleglass.com/subpages/billboards41c.htm)

[Meat Shake]

Originally posted by old jong
We take a short break (http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/dengdeng.swf) and we are back to the thread of the century!...:cool:

I think I won!!!!!!!
:confused:

[red5angel]

WHAT!?! I can't even hit anyone with a fold up chair?

Hell CPA, I'll see your chair and raise you a folded up table!!!!


OJ, that link cracks me up man!

MK, no wonder your fat! Your so lazy you can't even come up with new material!

[MasterKiller]

5 hours and that's all you can come up with? Your big midget head must have gotten wedged in the bathroom stalls again.

[red5angel]

again with the imitating me?! Atleast lose some weight and get some muscle mass before you wanna be me....

[MasterKiller]

Originally posted by red5angel
again with the imitating me?! Atleast lose some weight and get some muscle mass before you wanna be me.... If man-tits were muscle, you would be Mr. Midget Universe.

[red5angel]

I bet your calves are huge though.....

[MasterKiller]

Normal people are proportional, pee-wee. You've been looking at your stubby midget body too long.

[red5angel]

seriously, all the fat people I know have huge calves. And since you claim to be in the martial arts tha means your partially active, so yours have to be huge carrying around al that girth.

[MasterKiller]

All the fat people you know are under 4' tall. You need to socialize more outside the midget support groups.

[red5angel]

you need more work on your jokes. Also on your fighting, or is that a joke too?

[MasterKiller]

All you have to do is show up to find out. Or are you a ***** as well as a midget?

[red5angel]

I told you, I odn't ant to have to work for 5 minutes. Train some more, get it down to say 1 minute, 2 if you can't get it down to 1 and I might just show up. Otherwise if I'm going to get my ass kicked, it's not going to take 5 minutes, I have more respect for myself then that. That and I hate to see fat guys sweat and breath hard, it's just disgusting.

[MasterKiller]

You gonna bark all day, little doggy?

[red5angel]

you're the one stalking me, wannabe.

that's your new Japanese name, Wannabe Red

[Meat Shake]

This thread was way cooler when it was about me sleeping on the ****ter.
:p

[MasterKiller]

Your new Japanese name: Scaredto Fightme, but I'll still call you Pee-Wee. OK shorty?

[red5angel]

that's right, I'm scared to fight you chubbs.


MK, does it count if I'm getting ready to fall asleep on this sh!tter?

[MasterKiller]

Fear is OK, Red. It's your body's way of telling you to shut your ****ing mouth before someone breaks your arm.


BTW, you are not alone! (http://www.straightdope.com/mailbag/manimalmidget.html)

[red5angel]

oh, telephone tough guy eh? I don't see you making any plans to come get me....it's all fun and games on the internet right girlscout?

[MasterKiller]

Fun and games is over, Pee-Wee. You made this personal a long time ago.

[red5angel]

you mean when you threatened to kick my azz? bwahahahahaaa

[MasterKiller]

Laugh all you want, Pee-Wee. No one takes your martial musings seriously because everyone here knows you can't stick with anything long enough to learn anything useful.

You think I looked up those pictures? People sent me those links because they wanted me to make fun of you. You're a joke. You might as well come to accept it.

[red5angel]

ooooh good tactics! straight from your lucky I don't kick your butt to everyone hates you bit. Let's not forget the no one takes you seriously string! Classics! atleast your not trying to make up your own any longer Wannabe

[MasterKiller]

Here's the deal:

If I ever meet you, I'll break you arm. You can come to Taiji Legacy anytime you want to have your arm broken in front of witnesses. If I'm ever in Minnesota I'll arrange to meet you so I can break your arm, and MS and CPA can witness it.

I'm not going to go out of my way to break your arm because in the big picture you are an insignificant know-nothing with a big-mouth and no skill to back it up. You are an annoyance...nothing more. But like an annoying fly that keeps buzzing around my head, I'll swat you if you come in range.

In the meantime, you should just accept that your are the laughing stock of this board and enjoy the priveledges afforded to midgets. Life is short...just like you.

[red5angel]

man, this thread has totally degraded. I can't believe you have stooped to being a internet tough guy, it's pathetic. Oh wait! Is all this rage making you lose weight?!


break my arm, LOL! just promise me it won't take an entire 5 minutes and I'll even give you my arm to break.

[red5angel]

I like the use of all the internet classics though MK. The "everyone hates you" and " your a laughing stock" and the if I ever come to you [place your homestate name here] I'll hurt you.

[MasterKiller]

Pathetic is you acting like you know anything about fighting, Pee-Wee.

[red5angel]

ugh, you're really going down hill here fatman, keep trying.

[old jong]

Let's play with the centrifugal force (http://www.geocities.com/clownstaples/swf/ballonstring.html) for a moment and back to the forum war in progress....Live on KFM :cool:

[red5angel]

good job OJ, that will keep fatty busy for atleast 2 hours!

[MasterKiller]

Does typing so fast jiggle your man-tits? I bet they get sore.

[red5angel]

@....................

[MasterKiller]

Your stubby midget fingers messed up the last post. Try typing with your pencil dick next time.

[CaptinPickAxe]

You two should get married...then maybe your lovers quarrels will take place in the bedroom instead of on KFO.

[MasterKiller]

Everytime he kisses his wife he tastes my cock. Is that close enough?

[CaptinPickAxe]

LMAO!!!

Classic MK right there!:D

[Kristoffer]

Alright, time for another break.
Go to you're corners, both of you

http://www.robpongi.com/pages/comboBALANCEBEAM.html

[red5angel]

classic MK alright, straight out of 3rd grade!

[old jong]

Since it has been quiet for a moment...Let's have an intermission. (http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/bubblewrap.swf)
Beware of the addiction!...;)

[Kristoffer]

Originally posted by old jong
Since it has been quiet for a moment...Let's have an intermission. (http://www.nata2.info/humor/flash/bubblewrap.swf)
Beware of the addiction!...;)

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[sanjuro_ronin]

http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=Z1s5n1fEZ-Q

Most of us are aware of the keysi method by now, here is their latest.

[sanjuro_ronin]

No comments?
Chi biters !!
The lot of you !!

[TenTigers]

I really haven't seen enough KFM to form an opinion. From the little I have seen, it's a tight guard, lots of elbows and knees, but nothing really new, or different. What are your views on this? What distinguishes KFM from anything else?
Kinda like Krav Maga-looks pretty much like Kenpo or Kajukenbo.

[sanjuro_ronin]

I really haven't seen enough KFM to form an opinion. From the little I have seen, it's a tight guard, lots of elbows and knees, but nothing really new, or different. What are your views on this? What distinguishes KFM from anything else?
Kinda like Krav Maga-looks pretty much like Kenpo or Kajukenbo.

I don't wanna get into a "keysi" thing, other than what relates to the video clip.
I think there are a fe threads about Keysi as it is.
Just wanted to discuss this "new" part of Keysi, the GnP of Keysi.

[bakxierboxer]

Kinda like Krav Maga-looks pretty much like Kenpo or Kajukenbo.

Not from what I've seen of them.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Not from what I've seen of them.

Its more JKD related than kenpo/kajukenbo related.

[sanjuro_ronin]

http://www.keysikfm.com/university/intro

Enjoy.

[MightyB]

It's the cousin of this: http://crazymonkeydefense.com/cmd/

[sanjuro_ronin]

Blasphemy !!!
LOL !

It's funny but years ago, when the first Batman came out I mentioned that and got the "blank look".
Funny how it's hard for some people not to see the "sameness" in things.
Those keysi guys do make good videos and have some fun training approaches.

[Frost]

Blasphemy !!!
LOL !

It's funny but years ago, when the first Batman came out I mentioned that and got the "blank look".
Funny how it's hard for some people not to see the "sameness" in things.
Those keysi guys do make good videos and have some fun training approaches.

maybe i cant see the sameness:confused:

ok so both use hands on head, but CM also uses foot movement, slips, uses deflections and punches out of that structure and spars out of it,

Keysi guys dont seem to do any of that :confused:

[MightyB]

Here's one of the Keysi instructional videos: http://video.yandex.ru/users/arunas1971/view/151/

[Frost]

cheers seen that before and again its nothing like the CM i was taught, other than having the hands on the head its really different

[MightyB]

Of the two, I'd say CM is better for the MMA fighter and seems to have more depth.

Keysi seems to be for when you need to just shell up and go Bat-$h!t-Crazy on someone.

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But you'd have to admit that the hands on the head thing does make them look similar to the casual observer.

[Frost]

Oh I agree they on the surface they look similar, just as the peek a bo style of boxing looks like CM when its done with boxing gloves, but I think the CM structure is much more advanced and practical in a fighting environment and an MMA environment, it starts out as a simple shield (but in a different way to the kesyi guys, the hands move independently of each other and you always look at the opponent) it then moves to an offensive stage when modified slips, bobs and footwork are used at the same time as the hands move, you also learn to strike out of the structure and back into the structure, where as when the kesyi guys seem to punch they drop there hands to a normal stance and go from there. CM structure because its taught in a live environment (had to get that in there, go straight blast gym!) doesn’t go in for the impractical stuff like using the structure to block knees elbowing the legs etc and blends it with a more orthodox striking and clinching game. I happen to think CM structure is very good for self defence and for MMA where a lesser striker want to close the distance and get the clinch, or as a recover method when under attack as long as you remember to strike back…it is not good for using purely defensively (Like tito did with chuck!)

[MightyB]

so I tried to watch all 49 minutes of the Keysi video...

Frost is definitely correct in saying that CM has wayyy more depth. Keysi does have it's strengths that a TCMA person could learn from- those being using a simplified blocking structure and practice freestyle against 1 or 2 people. There's something appealing about having two people slam you into a wall and beating the crap out of you with focus mitts. There's a lot that I don't like about keysi after watching the vid... the main thing being that weird bobbing dance that they do. Seriously, after about 30 minutes of the video, I felt like I was watching the back up dancers to a euro techno band - especially when they practiced their balance drill. It was just too much for me to take- so I turned it off.

CM is better. Better methodology, better instruction of ringmanship, just plain better at everything- plus, you don't feel like you're dancing at a moby rave when you practice it and that's important to me.

[sanjuro_ronin]

A few things,
Yes, CM is far more detailed than the KFM, but I think that is on purpose.
KFM has some of that "keep this stuff inside" mentality carried over from their JKD and Kali background whereas Rodney is very open in his videos.
CM doesn't really deal with multiples or kicks or the "mma" aspect as much and is more geared towards dirty boxing and clinch fighting, but then again, that is what it is designed for.
KFM SEEMS to try to address those things more and in a more practical sense but to be honest, I am not sold on HOW they do that (outside of the contact training drills which CM has also).
I've seen the KFM clips that deal with ground work and clinch fighting too and, well...I am of two minds about them:
1) They probably work from the POV of that non-stop striking barrage which makes it difficult for someone to close in, clinch and takedown.
Though I am not sure how practical it is since I have never tried it.
2)I can see it presenting a problem for someone that has never seen it and get exposed to it and are surprised by it.

I have Rodney's CM and dirty boxing videos and DON'T have the KFM ones so I am going on what I have seen of King's detailed stuff VS what we see of the KFM "marketing" stuff, so...

[Frost]

The big thing for me is that as you say Rodney (and the rest of the SBG guys, I learned it from Karl tanswell) are open and honest about how to train to and what it is for, its not a be all end all system, it’s a very good system for getting beginners used to sparring and develops a very good defensive system if you have limited time to train. And I agree with Rodney that boxing is very attribute based and hard to learn if all you have is a couple of days a week to train, but you can add it in to the CM structure as you get better.

For me the KFM is not proven, ie I know guys that have used CM in MMA fights I don’t know anyone who has fought with the KFM and some of their training methods are just plain goofy

I have seen how Rodney deals with kicks and the MMA aspect, he and karl both use sprawls to defend double leg attacks, (which is why in the CM structure you lower your stance more and stand more square on) and for upper body clinches they use the CM structure to brace against the opponent and create space and deny the underhook. Body kicks he defends the same way as punches to the body: lowering level and taking it on the arms, leg kicks he simply steps in on and right crosses people :)

For me the CM structure is a great way to get close to a better striker to get the clinch/takedown and a very good defensive structure from which to develop a more conventional striking game.

[Kevin73]

I tried to watch the video (need more time), but I did watch the intro and the first part of it talking about "the thinking man".

After getting past the boy band photoshoot at the beginning of the video, what I noticed was how open the their position left you.

When blocking a hook type punch, they show brining both hands up to the head and turning into it slightly. This leaves you wide open for a hook punch to the ribs on the opposite side, which even in an untrained fighter is going to happen. I don't think you would have enough time to mount a good defense to take care of it.

[MightyB]

This is interesting: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XkzFkN2FO3U

Whatever happened to the official KFM website? With Jack Reacher, Batman, and the M.I. Series, seems like interest in the method would pick up. Heck, I'd be interested in a seminar or something, just can't seem to find solid info about it in the States.

[Frost]

lol I remember back in the day these guys chased my coach repeatedly asking for private mms and groundwork training he wasn't interested looking at this poor posture in guard elbows to the legs and stomach they still need lessons
Ita the usual trying to look unique and special to attract those who don't actually want to do mma because its too hard but still want to say they train the realz ground that works on the streets

[sanjuro_ronin]

And here the issue with that clip:
The gut on the bottom is NOT countering.
It's all well and good to show elbows with "keysi-flavour" in the guard but none of what they showed is actually "new" for anyone that has taken basic MMA.

[MightyB]

Man I just don't hate on the Keysi like you guys do. Sure they look a little crazy, and probably are just a bit nuts, but their methodology and training methods are actually pretty sound. They incorporate contact and pressure from the get go, keep tight hands and protect their heads, and promote aggressiveness and fitness.

[sanjuro_ronin]

Man I just don't hate on the Keysi like you guys do. Sure they look a little crazy, and probably are just a bit nuts, but their methodology and training methods are actually pretty sound. They incorporate contact and pressure from the get go, keep tight hands and protect their heads, and promote aggressiveness and fitness.

They have some good stuff dude, I don't think anyone is hating on them.
It's just nothing new and most of us have seen "it" before.
I personally use some of their stuff.
Here is a question though:
Have you ever seen it done VS a guy that is fighting back?

[Frost]

Man I just don't hate on the Keysi like you guys do. Sure they look a little crazy, and probably are just a bit nuts, but their methodology and training methods are actually pretty sound. They incorporate contact and pressure from the get go, keep tight hands and protect their heads, and promote aggressiveness and fitness.

Be fair im the only one hating on them, ronin simply provided sound critism :)

Heres the thing they are teaching MMA without ever putting in any fighter of note anywhere, they are making money off MMA without really testing their methods in that environment, that just annoys me, their ground work wouldn’t work like that against an opponent actually breaking their posture, climbing guard etc, its MMA lite, just as their comb the hair defense doesn’t work the way they teach it against a half decent opponent, and its NOT the same as crazy monkey, that has been tested and proved to work in MMA, what they do hasn’t and yet they are on the band wagon

[MightyB]

They have some good stuff dude, I don't think anyone is hating on them.
It's just nothing new and most of us have seen "it" before.
I personally use some of their stuff.
Here is a question though:
Have you ever seen it done VS a guy that is fighting back?

No - but that's true of oh so many things in all martial arts. Actually I've never seen Keysi in person. It has very little penetration in the US. I think it's the hair thing, they're always messing up their hair. Plus the disco tech, Americans don't like disco tech.

[MightyB]

Be fair im the only one hating on them, ronin simply provided sound critism :)

Heres the thing they are teaching MMA without ever putting in any fighter of note anywhere, they are making money off MMA without really testing their methods in that environment, that just annoys me, their ground work wouldn’t work like that against an opponent actually breaking their posture, climbing guard etc, its MMA lite, just as their comb the hair defense doesn’t work the way they teach it against a half decent opponent, and its NOT the same as crazy monkey, that has been tested and proved to work in MMA, what they do hasn’t and yet they are on the band wagon

Everything you say is true, but...

I always look for takeaways when looking at other martial arts. What they do that I like is keep the hands and forearms tight and in motion. Plus they do a lot of pressure drilling (at least in the videos). As far as this technique being taught as MMA... I'm ok with it. I haven't done MMA, but I've done no-gi and I've come to realize that there's a lot more leeway in no-gi. A sweaty spazz is hard to grapple cleanly with.

That's why I tell my kung fu purist friends there's really only a very few techniques that you really have to know.

[sanjuro_ronin]

No - but that's true of oh so many things in all martial arts. Actually I've never seen Keysi in person. It has very little penetration in the US. I think it's the hair thing, they're always messing up their hair. Plus the disco tech, Americans don't like disco tech.

I have no doubt THAT is the reason.
:D

Don't get me wrong, there is lots of good in the KFM, like I said I borrowed some of their stuff myself.
AT times they look like they leave too much of their body open but because they tend to work "under the shoulders" ( lower center than their opponent), it isn't as much f an issues as it is in "crazy monkey" boxing.

[MightyB]

I have no doubt THAT is the reason.
:D

Don't get me wrong, there is lots of good in the KFM, like I said I borrowed some of their stuff myself.
AT times they look like they leave too much of their body open but because they tend to work "under the shoulders" ( lower center than their opponent), it isn't as much f an issues as it is in "crazy monkey" boxing.

Crazy Monkey doesn't have enough penetration in the US either. I've always liked everything Rodney puts out there for the general public.

[Frost]

Crazy Monkey doesn't have enough penetration in the US either. I've always liked everything Rodney puts out there for the general public.

Its had a fair showing at the amateur level, SBG guys used it before the split, in the UK in the early days you saw a lot of it. In the pro levels not so much because they have the time, and skill level to develop an attribute style game, but you do see it in pro level but its normally used as part of the defense if they get in close at that level not the primarily defense.
In fact this is how it seems to have evolved in Rodney’s thinking originally it was CM structure all the time, now it seems to be CM structure when in close, or when in trouble. I suppose that’s the main difference CM was born for MMA and evolved as it was used in MMA, KFM was born for the streetz and has never really been tested and thus not evolved

As a trade-off I prefer the crazy monkey leaving the body open to the whole go low KFM thing and elbow the legs…crazy monkey allows you to set up power shots, defend the shot and move around more freely

[sanjuro_ronin]

As a trade-off I prefer the crazy monkey leaving the body open to the whole go low KFM thing and elbow the legs…crazy monkey allows you to set up power shots, defend the shot and move around more freely

Being short I am already "low" so...LOL !
The kali influence of "defang the snake" is very much there.

[Frost]

Being short I am already "low" so...LOL !
The kali influence of "defang the snake" is very much there.

Yung ling has a similar approach to hitting and hurting the limbs, as does our systems hung gar (my sife likes to hit a low stance and punch and elbow the legs and hips that sucks ….. I see the value especially if you really don’t want to hurt the guy (or have a weapon) but prefer the bakkmei method (and the CM way) of simply hitting the guy in the head and going straight down the centre but that’s just me

As an aside my boxing coach teaches a very similar high guard to CM, especially when in close and trading shots: gloves just above the eyebrows forearms resting on the body butt tucked under to close off the body shot, works well with big 14oz gloves but for MMA I still prefer level changing to defend the body shot lol

[sanjuro_ronin]

Yung ling has a similar approach to hitting and hurting the limbs, as does our systems hung gar (my sife likes to hit a low stance and punch and elbow the legs and hips that sucks ….. I see the value especially if you really don’t want to hurt the guy (or have a weapon) but prefer the bakkmei method (and the CM way) of simply hitting the guy in the head and going straight down the centre but that’s just me

As an aside my boxing coach teaches a very similar high guard to CM, especially when in close and trading shots: gloves just above the eyebrows forearms resting on the body butt tucked under to close off the body shot, works well with big 14oz gloves but for MMA I still prefer level changing to defend the body shot lol

I tend to use "limb destruction" when I wanna make a point and used it a bit when bouncing and it ended a few confrontations without have to KO anyone.
The tricky part is, as always, how fast the limbs are coming at you and that is why you don't see it that much at the higher levels ( limbs coming in too fast).
I agree with the level change to defend the body.
The dragon style of doing it ( along with snake and SPM) tend to angle and "zig-zag" a lot so it kind of fits well in those systems.

[Frost]

I tend to use "limb destruction" when I wanna make a point and used it a bit when bouncing and it ended a few confrontations without have to KO anyone.
The tricky part is, as always, how fast the limbs are coming at you and that is why you don't see it that much at the higher levels ( limbs coming in too fast).
I agree with the level change to defend the body.
The dragon style of doing it ( along with snake and SPM) tend to angle and "zig-zag" a lot so it kind of fits well in those systems.

Yep that’s why at higher levels the only limb destruction you see is the thigh kick lol
Not done SPM but dragon zig-zag coupled with extensive use of the hammer fist (and upwards and dowards stamping fists) makes hitting the limbs, (upper and lower) easier, of course bak mei’s method of just taking the guys head out of the equation is also useful sometimes
Of course the dragon way can equally be taking the head off as it can be hitting the incoming limb :)

[Kellen Bassette]

Americans don't like disco tech.

Just quoting this because it simply cannot be overstated.

[sanjuro_ronin]

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