Opinions on shootfighting?

[chen zhen]

There's a shootfighting gym near where i live, and I thought about going there and see if it's good. But I want some opinions on it beforehand, from the smart people of KFO;). Is it a good martial art/sport to learn from, it seems like it to me, as they combine grappling and kickboxing techniques...?

[shaolin kungfu]

If the school is good, i'd say go for it. I don't know anything about shootboxing, but combining grappling and kickboxing can't be all bad.

Oh, you wanted the smart people to reply. Oops.

[Merryprankster]

Look up the ISFA and it will tell you what is legal or not.

There's nothing WRONG with shootfighting, and it will give you valuable skills. But shootfighting comps, in and of themselves, have specific rules that are more restrictive, usually, than some other amateur and pro MMA events.

[shaolin kungfu]

What does ISFA stand for? I did a search and this (http://www.isfa.com/) was the first site that came up.

Edit: I didn't see anything on fighting within the first couple pages of my search, I didn't look any further.

[chen zhen]

SKF, International Shoot Fighting Association would be my best guess..

I know that it's a sport, but I would like to learn some valuable (kick)boxing skills and grappling techs, and when I'm ready, start full-contact sparring. it's just something I would like to play around with during the summer, until the JKD school I want to begin at, opens again.

the schools website is this: www.shootfighting.dk
it's in danish, but there is pics to look at..:D

[shaolin kungfu]

I liked the "why shootfighting is better than standup" video.:D

Looks good to me, but I don't know what i'm looking at.

I should stop giving my opinion on this now, it's not helping.

[Kristoffer]

I know that Denmark has some good SF gyms but I have no idea about this one. Shootfighting is funny to watch

have fun

[chen zhen]

I've actually never seen shootfighting. But it sounds ok.

The scandinavian SF gyms are connected in one large organisation, I think. I don't know how the danes are doing in nordic competitions, though.:)

[Oso]

the chinese invented shootfighting. After all...they invented gunpowder.

[chen zhen]

wtf are you talking about?:D

[Oso]

guns, of course:D

[chen zhen]

Oh, now I get it:rolleyes:

[chen zhen]

OK, shootfighting, more opinions?

[Oso]

well, let's get somebody to define it...I've never been really sure what it was...sounded like another hybrid attempt to capitalize on the whole Gracie inpired grappling craze...

[chen zhen]

They have this motto:

"what do a boxer, kickboxer and a grappler have in common? you can beat them!" (that is, if you're a shootfighter)

:rolleyes:

[chen zhen]

But Sakuraba, the guy who beat Royce Gracie, was a shootfighter..

[Oso]

sakaruba, that asian guy with the big hair???

[chen zhen]

I don't know if he has high hair, but he is asian, for sure

[Oso]

not high, just kinda poofy.

I think I have the clip of him beating Gracie, the gracie's threw the towel in at the end of the 4th?

[chen zhen]

you have the clip on computer? try to find it, I always wanted to see that.

[Oso]

kfo, won't let us post stuff that big, it's like 26mb.

my clip has sherdog.com on it. try there.

[chen zhen]

Ok, thanks

[chen zhen]

More opinions please..
sheesh

[Repulsive Monkey]

For what its worth

Shoot fighting = Sh1t fighting.

[Kempo Guy]

Imho, the quality of a Shooto gym depends on the 'lineage'. I'm only familiar with two of them and the better of the two is the Shoot Wrestling as taught by Yori Nakamura (in the US). The head instructor of Shoot Wrestling is Sayama Sensei in Japan. Just beware as there are some Shootfighting orgs that aren't on the up and up.

Shooto is great. It is a sport but they train hard (i.e. athletically against resistance) and it's pretty well rounded. It requires you to know the various ranges such as punching, kicking, throwing, and submissions. It incorporates elements from Catch, Muay Thai, Sambo, Judo, and BJJ. The grappling (or the deliver system) apparently has improved as they have introduced BJJ type delivery system for their ground submissions. This is evidenced by watching older Shooto fights and comparing it to fights after BJJ became prevalent in the Shooto scene (mid-90's).

KG

[chen zhen]

So SOME shooto is bad, SOME shooto is good.
Is'nt that the case with most else?:confused:

[Kempo Guy]

Go visit the school. The website you linked makes references to the "bad" organization, but take a look at the students and the skill of the teacher. The teacher does not necessarily reflect the organization as a whole.

KG

[chen zhen]

There's several teachers.
The school has also won many tournaments in scandinavia, so I guess it's pretty good. I'll go there next week.

[Merryprankster]

Don't listen to RM. Quite the sourpuss.

[Kristoffer]

Most Shooto I've seen would put the lightsout on some of these rediculus kung fu *****es

[chen zhen]

but you're a rediculous KF-guy yourself!:D

[Kristoffer]

Nah I'm a hardcore Kung Fu fighter who cross trains in Muay Thai ;)

[chen zhen]

cross trains MT?

did'nt know u did.

[Kristoffer]

Sorta, I know ppl who train so I hook up n spar with them. Im currently deciding how I should do in the fall. Keep on the KF and muay thai on the side, only thai or start BJJ/shooto/thai.. I have a hard time deciding

[chen zhen]

Only Thai vs. thai+shooto+BJJ=the last option. Only hindrance would be not enought time/money to train.

[Kristoffer]

I know its cuz I found a MMA club that mixes all three styles. SO it's hard deciding :confused:

[chen zhen]

If it's better than the Thai, then go for it. I wish we had good KF/MA in my country.:( :( :( :( :(

[Kristoffer]

It's hard to decide coz I really like the KF. It's tough street fighting :D Full contact bloody as hell and our practioners is known to beat the **** outta thai boxers, but on the other hand the boxing is much cheaper... and the MMA have SO MUCH too offer in kinda cheap so... grrr :mad:

[chen zhen]

Now I see what u mean. Finding KF that can beat Muay Thai is EXTREMELY rare. u should at least not forget the school, if u start the other thing.

[Kristoffer]

No way, it's just that the KF club really grinds you to be a fighter. So your whole persona changes into agressiveness. I guess it helps but I feel I could need some new experinces.



I'm outta here soon (simpsons 00.35 kanal 3, if u get it)

[chen zhen]

Yes, of course. (both with getting new experiences & the simpsons;))

But it's still rare to find KF like that in europe & especially scandinavia.