Need help on Shaolin Combat

[Royal Dragon]

Hello,
I'm looking for info on ALL books and video tapes covering the applications of traditional Shaolin forms. Specifically Shou and Da Louhan Quan, as well as Shou and Da Hong Chuan.

I have the Tagou books, and the 18 Arhat methods already, but I want more real applications, specifically these forms.

My Louhan I learned off video and books, the Hong Chuan, I was taught, but never the applications of the two sets.

I've had these forms forever, but I have reacently started getting interested in actually doing something with them, besides just drilling the sets for conditioning.

Anyone got some book or video sources? especially in English??

Thanx,

Royal Dragon


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[GeneChing]

I have a two-part article coming out on applications of xiaohong & dahong. Part one will be on stands in December. Watch for it!

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[Rolling_Hand]

Why do you want from books and videos?

[Royal Dragon]

Got no one close buy that knows these systems, or their applications. Some of the apps are ovbious, but it's the NON ovbious stuff i'm loking for. Unles you know somneone in Chicago that knows Louhan and Hong Chaun, as a fighting system, and not just routines taught next to unrelated applications.


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[Kung Lek]

Woo hoo, you go Gene! :D

I'll be pickin up my copy lickity split!

peace

Kung Lek

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[Royal Dragon]

Time to renew my subscription, me thinks!!

So Gene, does this article cover hard to spot applications, or just the ovbious stuff.


RD


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[GeneChing]

But you may have to know xiaohong and dahong to appreicate it. You guys will have to let me know how it reads when it comes out.

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[Royal Dragon]

you're like the GOD of Kung Fu, can I marry my daughter off to your son? :p


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[Tainan Mantis]

Royal,
Do you have the 18 Lohan book that has the 1 man and 2 man?
It is shown so clearly that you can probably learn from a book if you have learned other 2 man forms.
Also there is the Eagle Claw form called Ba Bu Lien Huan Chuen-8 Step Continuous Punches.
This form is in the same style and a get match as it shows different ways the moves can go. This 2 man has also been published in several books.

I'm also working on a video that has the 1 and 2 man from this form plus the 2 person drills for each of the 8 steps.

[Royal Dragon]

I do have the Shou Louhan Quan book from Don F. Dreaggar. I liked the book, and I have played with the applications myself. Actually, some of the applications in that book are what finally alowed me to beat my buddy Russell. He's like this former Marine monster, and he used to pretty much wallop me in sparring before I added a few skills from that book to my arsenal.

I seem to remember reading a review on it somewhere a wile back from a guy that actually practices the line that book came from. he claimed it was not an acurate representation of the form, and certain things were in error, but well written otherwise. I myself added a few moves to the form because there is one part that leaves your head WIDE open for a knockout shot to the head. I basically added a cover and a protective punch in that spot just prior to the move the book says to do. It flows a bit more natural feeling to me, so maybe it's suposed to be in there?

You Said
"Also there is the Eagle Claw form called Ba Bu Lien Huan Chuen-8 Step Continuous Punches"

Do you know where I could find this book? And is it applications to Shou & Da Hong Chuan or Shou & Da Louhan soecifically, or Shaolin in general?

Also, I know it's off the subject, but I noticed your in Taiwan. I am researching Tai Tzu Chang Chuan. I know there are several schools there, and I was wondering if you would be able to help me set up contact with Tai Tzu schools there. Also, if you know of any books or manuals on Tai Tzu, preferable in english, I would LOVE to get my hands on them, especially historical or application related books.

I currently have 3 contacs for movement of the system 2 in the us and one over seas, but since I have no one close to me, I want to establish as many links to the styles various lines as I can.

Thanks,

Royal Dragon


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[Tainan Mantis]

Have never seen Don's Lohan book.
Most of my books on 18 Lohan are in Chinese. 1 is a direct translation. They are all by Chinese people. One of the books has 2 sets of names for each posture. One set is obviously very old as some of the characters are not in modern dictionaries.

I did'nt find any moves that left the head wide open and since the author is different I wonder if it is the same form. Could you say the names of a few moves in the beginning of the form?

The 8 step book in English was bought in Boston China town. It has no explanations of applications.
All the others are in Chinese, including the book that has the 2 man version.

shou? do you mean small? small=hsiao

I didn't understand the question from the paragraph with Hong Chuen.
The books don't show applications. They show how to do the form with a partner. Which I think is better than applications as you learn the escapes and counter attacks for each movement.

Tai Dzu Longfist. I am not the man. Some people connected with it:
-Zhou Gao Shan
-Su Yu Zhang
-Adam Hsu
-baji chuen
-Wutan
They know this form.

There is a book written by Chi Ji Guang which shows the form circa 1600. All the names and poems. No one has yet translated this book.

[nanwu]

When was the last time you trained?????
I hear that you can't even block a roundhouse????
Being a lazy student is not good....lol.
Or are you going to give me some **** about a back injury?....lol.
R. :eek:

[Royal Dragon]

L4 and L5 are bulging and pinching the spinal cord. I've recovered enough to do a bit of light sparring now. Yes, my skills are at a diminished state, but I'm too stubboure to stay this way. I WILL be back!!!

You said
"Being a lazy student is not good....lol."

I say "Traing with a potentialy parylising injury is stupid and insane!!!!!"

Who cares if I can't do what I used to be able to do I'm walking and training as much as my body will allow. That's more than many in my position. If you want to critisize me for over comming impossible odds, then...well.....that don't say much about you, does it.


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[Royal Dragon]

posted 11-04-01 04:39 AM
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Don's Lohan book

Have never seen Don's Lohan book.
Most of my books on 18 Lohan are in Chinese. 1 is a direct translation. They are all by Chinese people. One of the books has 2 sets of names for each posture. One set is obviously very old as some of the characters are not in modern dictionaries.
I did'nt find any moves that left the head wide open and since the author is different I wonder if it is the same form. Could you say the names of a few moves in the beginning of the form?

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1. Louhan Kai Kung
2. Chin Pu Chong Ch'uan
3. Sang Pu Swang Chuay
4. Te Chiao Hern Tu
5. Hey Hu Chuan Sing
6. Louhan Yee Ting
7. Yu Chuan Sing Tui
8. Tui Pu Chey Chang
9. Ching Kan Toh Yueh

Unforunetly, there are no Chinese charecters in this book (not that I could post them anyway). I hope this helps. The book is from a martial descendant of Shaolin Temple Monk, Sik Koe Chum who moved to singapore in 1947 and then Malaysia in 1955 His school is called Hook Kar Pai.


The 8 step book in English was bought in Boston China town. It has no explanations of applications.
All the others are in Chinese, including the book that has the 2 man version.

shou? do you mean small? small=hsiao

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Yes, Shou means small.

I didn't understand the question from the paragraph with Hong Chuen.

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I was replying to stuff Gene had said.

The books don't show applications. They show how to do the form with a partner. Which I think is better than applications as you learn the escapes and counter attacks for each movement.

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THIS is what I'm looking for, any English copys out there? If so, where do I find them?

Tai Dzu Longfist. I am not the man. Some people connected with it:
-Zhou Gao Shan
-Su Yu Zhang
-Adam Hsu
-baji chuen
-Wutan

Can you provide some Contact info for me? I already know how to find Adam Hsu, but what about the others?

Thanks,

Gian


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[This message was edited by Royal Dragon on 11-04-01 at 08:41 AM.]

[Royal Dragon]

Been thinking about this,

Why would I WANT to block a round house? I've always had MUCH better luck with charging in with a cutting punch to the head. Think about it, they're not rooted because they're on one leg, charging in close putts you in too tight for them to generate any power anyway, and you have the ability to easily just knock thier gaurd out of the way and wallop'em!!! That's if the kicker actually maintains a gaurd wile they are kicking, so few do. Heck, if your holding a hollow chest and maintaing your roundness,just fireing the cutting punch will move thier gaurd and hit, all in one motion.

It's not that I "Can't" Block a round house, I just think it's stupid to even try when you can just finish it with less effort.

By the way, tell Kash I liked his book, it was well written and the Herbal formulas were a definate plus!!!

Royal Dragon

Those that are sucessful are also the biggest failures. the difference between them and the rest of the failures is this, they keep getting up over and over again, until they succeed. "The more they try, the more they fail, BUT, the more they try & fail, the more opertunity they have to succeed, and succeed they do!!"


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[nanwu]

So everybody stands on one leg when they throw a roundhouse punch do they??????
You actually teach people??????!!!!!!

R.
:confused:

[Tainan Mantis]

Hi Royal,
The only 2 man in English of 8 Step that I know of is the video I'm editing.
You're 18 Lohan is different from the others I've seen and most likely has no relation to what I've learned.

About finding contacts with the names I've posted, a lot of people on this board study with them. Post a question and someone can send you to their web site.

[GeneChing]

I don't have a son, I have a daugther.

And Draeger's book is a classic - He's one of the English writing pioneers of Martial Arts - a must for every Shaolin library.

Gene Ching
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[Shaolindynasty]

Good thing you guys know the sex of your children that could have been embarasing!!! :eek:


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[MonkeySlap Too]

General Ji's 'Sutra of the Fist' was a compilation of 18 'postures' he taught his men when they were defending the coast of China.

This work significantly influenced Chen Taiji, Long Fist, and many Shaolin styles.

"Poor is the pupil who
does not surpass his
master" - Leonardo Da
Vinci

[MonkeySlap Too]

You can find a great deal of information on this text if you do web searches on Chen Taiji.

"Poor is the pupil who
does not surpass his
master" - Leonardo Da
Vinci

[Royal Dragon]

Is it avaliable in english?

Those that are sucessful are also the biggest failures. the difference between them and the rest of the failures is this, they keep getting up over and over again, until they succeed. "The more they try, the more they fail, BUT, the more they try & fail, the more opertunity they have to succeed, and succeed they do!!"



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