Men are paying thousands of dollars to come here and hunt naked women.

[rogue]

On the surface it sounded funny. But watch the video from KRLA (not x-rated) and you really want to hunt the hunters. I don't think there's any self respect amongst any of the participants. Really quite sad.

Link to article and videos. (http://www.klas-tv.com/Global/story.asp?S=1356380&nav=168XGqk0)

[Serpent]

Only in America!

:rolleyes:

:(

[Laughing Cow]

Bunch of "tough Guy" weirdo's and nutcases.
:mad:


Strap them naked to the ground and let the ladies take a few potshots with those guns at their privates I think is fair treatment for them.

Doubt that the girls were aware what type of sting those guns pack at that range, and it was pretty close-range.

[Yung Apprentice]

JEEEEEEEZ, it just HAD to be in my city. I click on the link, the first thing I see? The local news website. CRAP

























:mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad: :mad:

[Ryu]

I'm not even going to look at this.......


Ryu

[Yung Apprentice]

Yeah, it is stupid. And very degrading towards the women. These women should have more respect for themselves, and the men should have better common sense. Instead of getting a hard on for hurting a female by shooting her with a paintball.




Rogue- Are you from Las Vegas?

[Ryu]

I lied. But I'm not watching the vids.....


I'm not surprised by this to be honest. Our culture is fast becoming like this. The good thing is that I think most men (everyone that posted their disgusts on this thread for example) know this kind of thing is ugly and wrong. It's up to us to change things if we want em changed. No one else will do it, and no one can really do it alone. So if you're serious about doing something about the rising "rape culture" in our society (which is not just insulting to women, but STRONGLY insulting to men) do something about it. Take a stand, be a man, and speak out on these things. Let people know that this isn't acceptable, and that we don't want it in our society any longer.
Otherwise, let it go. Don't just complain. Do something about it.

By the way if anyone is interested, I am going to be writing an article about these very types of "entertainment" for an online magazine in the next few weeks. When it's up I'll let you guys see it. I'm actually trying to gear quite a bit of my JKD instruction to get involved with women's self-defense, empowerment, and also promoting strong and positive male roles in society.

It'll be hard it seems.....wish me luck.


And do something yourselves. ;)

Take care,
Ryu

[Ryu]

Would also like to applaude the guys who posted here for speaking out against this type of thing. Do more of it. :)

Ryu

[Yung Apprentice]

While watching the video, they said how the website received a lot of mail the next day from women. Supposedly, 80 % of them were inquiring how they could get a job.


I really, really didn't like this part:

"Marv Glovinsky is a clinical psychologist. He says Hunting for Bambi is every man's fantasy come true. "You might think of all men as little boys who have never grown up, so they entertain their adolescent fantasies and they go through life being adolescents on the hunt."

Really?Not my fantasy. And notice how he said "ALL MEN", which would obviously include himself. What a load of $hit. I'm not like that, so obviously this disproves his theory. I hate how are society is starting to portray all men as blood thirsty sexual predators.


Best of luck, Ryu.

[DragonzRage]

That's just fukkin weird. There are some serious psychological issues to be examined here. Hearing about twisted crap like this reminds me of why I'm going to be a cop. I'd like to help find sickos who get off on this type of stuff (or stuff that's even worse) and take them off the streets. Oh i forgot...its legal. Now I'm REALLY depressed. I can't see the founding fathers writing up the American Constitution and Bill of Rights if they saw THIS as how American citizens would eventually interpret freedom. What's sad is that there will probably be nothing done about this until one of those women loses an eye or even worse.

[Ryu]

Thanks, Yung Apprentice. :)


Also.....
"I hate how are society is starting to portray all men as blood thirsty sexual predators. "

All the more reason to find ways to portray the opposite be it through media, politics, community, film, etc. I'm completely with you on this. I agree very strongly.

On another note..... don't believe TOO much of what you read or hear by that guy. These types of people are out to make a twisted buck, and they say anything to promote their stuff.
(80% of women calling could be 3 phone calls... :rolleyes: )

Any real psychologist would deem this loser as someone who is mentally not well. So I wouldn't take too much of that with any seriousness. People say anything to promote stuff like that.

Yung, you said you are in Nevada. Maybe you could even write a letter to your congressman? Etc.
If we are tired of these kinds of things we should do things about them.

Well take care, and goodnight.

Ryu

[Serpent]

From the site Rogue posted. The bold highlights are my own.



Burdick says hunters are told not to shoot the women above the chest, but he admits not all hunters follow the rules. "The main goal is to be as true to nature as possible. I don't go deer hunting and see a deer with a football helmet on so I don't want to see one on my girl either," said Burdick.


I would love five minutes alone with this arsehole.



Evanthes shot one of the women and says, "I got the one with the biggest rack."


And this fukker!



Gidget is the one who took the paint ball shot to the rear. She says, "It hurt. It really hurt. I didn't think it was going to be that bad." When asked if she cried she says,"yeah, a little bit."

So why do women agree to strip down and run around the desert dodging paint balls? Nicole says it's good money. "I mean it's $2,500 if you don't get hit. You try desperately not to and it's $1000 if you do," said Nicole.


:mad: Grrrrr!

[Ryu]

DragonzRage, good luck in becoming a LEO! The force needs people with a strong sense of right and wrong, and a passion for helping people. Good on you. :)

Even though I'm truly disgusted by this article...I am feeling much more hopeful that this type of thing will not last long. Look at ALL the posts by the men so far on this board?

THIS is what the true "consensous" of America's men thinks of these things. And I have a feeling that if enough men and women show that consensous, these things will not be "legal" for very long.

The interpretation of "freedom" is in our own hands as American citizens. When we start seeing everything as "okay" etc. these kinds of things will come up more and more.

This thread has ironically given me a very nice feeling of hope.
If that means anything at all.

All right. Goodnight.

Take care all,
Ryu

[Yung Apprentice]

(80% of women calling could be 3 phone calls... )


Yeah, I know, thats why I said supposedly!:)



But you are right, I will be writing quite a few people, and I'll be sending a few emails to people with the link, so they can write in too.

[Serpent]

I'm really beginning to wish I knew where to find this b@stard:



"We got a hit," said George Evanthes, who just shot and hit one of the women in the behind. "It was sexy. Let's put it that way," said Evanthes.


And this sums up exactly why it's so wrong:



Burdick says the majority of the men who pay the $5000 to $10,000 to play the game are the submissive, quite type. "For the individual who's used to saying 'I can't go out with the boys tonight' or the wimp of America, it's a chance for him to come out and vent his aggression and really take charge and have some fun."



:mad: :mad: :mad:

[Laughing Cow]

This really ****es me off.


Typical "hunt" lasts about 30 minutes, and out of state "hunters" also get an escort for the evening. That way you get to mount something regardless of how your hunt went.


Can you say sex-tourism??



These hunts take place on a 40 acre spread with plenty of cover and many times the chicks make it to the other side without getting shot.

Yeah, great. Many times as in how many percent??



You shooting ability also plays into how difficult your hunt is. Those of us who can sight in with a pistol at 50 feet in our sleep while drunk get a more difficult course to hunt down the babes. Weenies who can't hit a thing get it easy.

How do they determine that one?

And those tough guys shell out $5000~$10.000 to pop a few shots and get laid afterwards.

Bunch of loosers. Really loved their tough guys camo outfits.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Ryu
THIS is what the true "consensous" of America's men thinks of these things. And I have a feeling that if enough men and women show that consensous, these things will not be "legal" for very long.


The trouble is, Ryu, that the majority of lawmakers and those in power in the US (and in my country and many others) are the sort of sick and degraded "wimps of America" that enjoy this sh!t.

If more regular people made the rules, the rules would make a lot more sense IMO.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by Yung Apprentice



Yeah, I know, thats why I said supposedly!:)



But you are right, I will be writing quite a few people, and I'll be sending a few emails to people with the link, so they can write in too.


Right on, man! Do so! This is EXACTLY what we should be doing.
Yung Apprentice, that's really great. I'm very glad to hear you are going to do this.
In fact, if you PM me the address of your congressman, I will write in as well. (Shouldn't matter if the letter is out of state, right?)

[Ryu]

Originally posted by Serpent


The trouble is, Ryu, that the majority of lawmakers and those in power in the US (and in my country and many others) are the sort of sick and degraded "wimps of America" that enjoy this sh!t.

If more regular people made the rules, the rules would make a lot more sense IMO.


Serpent, I feel you. This frustrates me as well.
I think if Americans make a big enough noise over something, the lawmakers have to take notice. Our country is based on us... it has been from day one. I think there's a lot of extreme things we simply should not allow in our society. Extreme examples of sickness like this if one of them.

Ryu

[tnwingtsun]

I'm sure they won't have any problems getting any "bambies"
to work for them,if you look at how much more $$ they would make compaired to other degrading jobs like being a hooker.
And after all,look where its at.

I'm not surprised that this hasn't been done before,what does surprise me is what the good doctor said and that they have not been shut down for not requiring eye protection.

Don't get me wrong,I think this is just plain wrong but to shut this outfit down on that basis we'd have to start outlawing any game that contained violence made for our kids.

[Ryu]

All right guys, I need to get to sleep.

I am TRULY proud to be among the men posting on this thread! It shows beyond a shadow of a doubt that America's men are NOT the degrading, women-exploiting people popular culture would have you believe. In fact they are the very opposite!
I say the most important thing is to get these positive types of male roles out into society more. Only then will things start shaping up.

Kudos to all of you, you should all be proud of what you stand for.

I will say goodnight for real this time haha,

Yung Apprentice, I am serious about PMing me the address of your congressman. If you can, please do.

Goodnight everyone!
Ryu

[Serpent]

Hey, we're not all American!

;)

[tnwingtsun]

"popular culture would have you believe."

That is a much bigger problem than the butt splatting bunny ranch,too many people belive in the "popular culture".

[Laughing Cow]

Originally posted by Serpent
Hey, we're not all American!

;)

Yeah, some of us are Euro-trash.
:D

[Yung Apprentice]

Ryu, I do not have the address off hand, but I will get it tommorrow. My father actually writes to our congressmen quite often. I'll PM you tommorrow.

[GunnedDownAtrocity]

i dont understand. why is it wrong? you guys act like these women are forced into this. it isn't rape.

the main reason such a responce gets to me is because it's a perfect example of neglecting each individuals responsibility to themselves. stupid people exist to be taken advantage of period. i might not agree totally with it, but i'm not responsible for them and i don't want to be.

and talk about being taken advantage of, these morons actually pay 10 grand for a stupid cheap thrill. jesus christ ... 10 grand. i say fu ck it ... if these dipsh its are happy let them be.

i can understand concern for the safety of the women participating, but they are willing participants. there are two types of girls who would do this. the ones willing to accept the risk for the cash and morons. if they are stupid enough to run around naked and get shot by paintballs it's none of my business.

maybe it would have been better had he made topless lazer tag, but then again i don't really care.

[Former castleva]

Wow.GDA stole the words from my...keyboard?
At least this time,I agree with him for long.

You may think it is "sad" or what ever man-made morals and pride make it look like,and maybe it is not glorious but there´s nothing illegal going on there.

[quiet man]

Originally posted by Serpent

Hey, we're not all American!

;)

Not yet, anyway... but give ole' George some time. :D


GDA has a point :eek: :D : they can do whatever they want with themselves (as long as they're not hurting others), but that doesn't mean we can't call it stupid, sick, degrading, brainless, _________ (insert comment here).

[Judge Pen]

Originally posted by quiet man


GDA has a point :eek: :D : they can do whatever they want with themselves (as long as they're not hurting others), but that doesn't mean we can't call it stupid, sick, degrading, brainless, _________ (insert comment here).

Exactly. These are sick puppies.

I mean I enjoy a little excapisim that some would be appalled at (read: GTA Vice City) but that's a far cry from hunting women. Jeez, what a thing to read first thing in the morning. :(

[chen zhen]

I'd like to go hunting with these dudes as prey.
Live ammo.

[tnwingtsun]

I'd like to go hunting with these dudes as prey.
Live ammo.

REALLY????

They haven't broken any laws,the bambies consent to being targets,Ouchy the Clown http://www.ouchytheclown.com/ inflics more pain than a paintball welt,until someone looses an eye.
And you would kill over that???????

[tnwingtsun]

I'd like to go hunting with these dudes as prey.
Live ammo.

REALLY????

They haven't broken any laws,the bambies consent to being targets,Ouchy the Clown http://www.ouchytheclown.com/inflics more pain than a paintball welt,until someone looses an eye.
And you would kill over that???????

[Surferdude]

Yep...a bunch of rednecks who cant get any!!!:mad:

[TonyM.]

Personally I think about forty trained riot police with water cannon, pepper fog and riot sticks should just trash all of them.
P.S. and shave them all bald and paint them blue.:D

[old jong]

Good!...Let's show these irakis and iranians how the civilised world can treat his women!...:rolleyes:

[chen zhen]

B careful, old J.;)

We have sensitive political issues.:cool:

[red5angel]

ok, I haven't read the whole thread yet but I watched the video. The guys is a jerk admittedly, the guy who runs it and the new yorker out hunting. More then likely most of the guys who do it are similar. I would never do it, However, these girls are volunteering for it. They seemed lucid, so they obviously weren't drugged or drunk. It's a dumb idea but I have no idea why people are so mad about it. If these people on both sides want to do it then so be it. Although not wearing goggles is a no-no.

[FatherDog]

Should this be legal?

Yes, it should. Everything involved is consensual. No one is being made to do anything they don't want to do. The women are free to leave or stop.

Should this be normal and accepted?

Well, no, obviously. If you're willing to pay a couple grand to go out and shoot naked women with paint ball guns, you have some serious issues to work out, and you should probably be spending that money on a therapist.

In short, yeah, these people are some sick ****s. But the people yelling about banning it are off base.

[SanShou Guru]

Easy to stop it. Just pass and Ordinance requiring protective clothing for Paintball. Most places require at least eye protection.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by SanShou Guru
Easy to stop it. Just pass and Ordinance requiring protective clothing for Paintball. Most places require at least eye protection.

Yep. This is probably what's going to happen soon anyway. :)

Ryu

[Chang Style Novice]

I think Sanshou Guru has the right idea. And if I was the all-powerful master of dispensing ironic justice, I'd put a rider in the fine print that said after the guys hunt the girls, the girls hunt the guys, only the guys have no cover - make it like a state fair midway shooting gallery.

[Xebsball]

You guys,

Regular prostitution is a lot sicker than this.

But whats the ultimate sickest is that i cant get any :o

[TonyM.]

Rats! Now my idea of catch and release deer hunting (paintball) doesn't seem so funny. Bastids!

[chen zhen]

But whats the ultimate sickest is that i cant get any

You COULD choose not to share that with us others.:cool:

[red5angel]

Sanshou, CSN, why is it you ant so badly to force your own brand of morality on someone else?

[Xebsball]

well, chen zhen, screw you im sharing it with DA WORLD

in fact, like Strong Bad once said:
"We're blasting off TO DA MOON!!!"

I GET NONE

here be my apreciation for the mockers:

[Chang Style Novice]

I don't, really. I just want to make sure the people involved are safe from unneccesary harm. As for my revenge fantasy, that's all it is, a fantasy.

[tnwingtsun]

hmmm....

I wonder....


Do you get to MOUNT the one you bagged?
:D

[SanShou Guru]

Easy Red, people can do what they want to as long as it is legal. But at the very least they should have to wear head protection. They could easily lose and eye, eardrum, or take a shot straight to the throat. There is a saying that Rudi Ott used to have on a t-shirt he trained in that applies here I think, "Protect me from what I want". It's is likely a flash in the pan thing anyway.

[red5angel]

tn, that was the guy in the clips comment when he "bagged" one.

Ok, I don't have a problem with the headgear, I even made a comment myself about the lack of eye coverage.

[fa_jing]

It's just a sadistic sex service, like many other S & M sex services. Doesn't do much for our perception of men in general, fortunately we are still necessary for the survival of the species. If a large rock dropped out of the sky and squashed all of the participants into lawn fertilizer, that'd be great, however I don't envision personally wanting to pay police officers to arrest these people and pay to keep them locked up over a period of time.

P.S. I don't see these women as victims at all, unless they are victims of society. They definitely are not the victims of these men.

[chen zhen]

X: u could choose an eviler-looking pic of yourself.. I bet u have lotsa them.:cool:
:D

[Xebsball]

probably, though i dont got a scanner right here :D

[chen zhen]

:p

I have seen the pics of u as an adult. Even more evil..:D

[red5angel]

It's just a sadistic sex service, like many other S & M sex services. Doesn't do much for our perception of men in general, fortunately we are still necessary for the survival of the species.

I hate to single your post out here fa_jing, but what is it about men that our perception is screwed up about? Why is it "ok" or not "screwed" up for a woman to run around naked for money in a paintball field, while it is screwed up for men to want to shoot at them?
Personally I don't buy into a common "morality" anyway. If these people are all volunteering to do this without the use of any sort of coersion or drugs, then let them. While we are at it let's legalize prostitution and pot, why not? Hell if we can open up drug bars or something like that let's do it. You want to do something, even killing yourself slowly with drugs or something else, that's your fukking business.
Of course you have those people irresponsible enough to take it out ad risk other lives, but for them I am all for harsher treatments. Drunk driving for instance, no tolerance, first time you get your license revoked and a heavy fine. Next time you get a nice jail term a horrendous fine and you get tagged so we always know where you are. Your tag goes over speeds possible on a bicycle and we get to press the button and watch your tag blow your head off.

[Chang Style Novice]

"Your tag goes over speeds possible on a bicycle and we get to press the button and watch your tag blow your head off"

Seems pretty harsh punishment for riding shotgun, or taking a bus.

Rethink this one out, OK?

[Xebsball]

i dont look evil, its just that people gotta learn to let me sleep sometimes, you know

http://www.xebsball.hpg.com.br/xhigh_2.jpg

[fa_jing]

Red5 - well, that's why in my fantasy, the rock falls on ALL the participants both men and women and squishes them to fertilizer. However, while it makes women look bad, it does make men look worse, because the men involved are participating in this mutually degrading act because they LIKE it, they WANT to, it does something for them, while the women involved are there just for the MONEY, which is more respectable and more of a vaild reason in my eyes.

[chen zhen]

X:You need to shave, bro, lol;)

[red5angel]

degrading act because they LIKE it, they WANT to, it does something for them, while the women involved are there just for the MONEY, which is more respectable and more of a vaild reason in my eyes.

In my opinion that is honestly debateable. I don't think a john is any more "wrong" then a hooker for what they do respectively. The john is just pursuing human desires, the hookers just out to make a buck. Not saying these guys are fullfilling human desires but I don't know if I agree with you on that.

CSN, no way man I thought it out. You don't have the responsibility to drive without drinking you shouldn't be able to get within 12 feet of a car. As a matter of fact I think the tag should go off if you even sar car.

[Chang Style Novice]

D@mn, I hope you're not the judge if I ever come to trial...;)

[red5angel]

don't drive drunk and you won't have to worry about it. ;)

[Ryu]

Red, and to any other "moral relativist" person out there :rolleyes:

If you TRULY don't believe in common morality then STOP telling us it's "wrong" to ban this.

If there's not "right or wrong" then it's absolutely not "wrong" for people to ban these things, take it away, or the like.

In fact.....if you really believe in no common morality then it is NOT "immoral" for me to force you to accept my "morality"


Seriously. If you're gonna be an advocate of Moral Relativism then do it right LOL.

Yung, did you PM me yet?

Ryu

[Yung Apprentice]

Just did.

[red5angel]

Ryu, good point but the logic is failling you. You may wish to call me a moral relativist however I believe that we each have a moral code, as a matter of fact we can't get away from it. In general those support longer healthier lives but not always. Besides, I never said it was "wrong" of you to force anyone to do anything I just think it's ironic that one would assume what they believe is right must be universal.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by red5angel
Ryu, good point but the logic is failling you. You may wish to call me a moral relativist however I believe that we each have a moral code, as a matter of fact we can't get away from it. In general those support longer healthier lives but not always. Besides, I never said it was "wrong" of you to force anyone to do anything I just think it's ironic that one would assume what they believe is right must be universal.

Ah I see. Well I don't think the logic's "failing" me, because it's only obvious that nihilistic "there's no right or wrong" thinking is a big contradiction waiting to happen. :) But if you're not advocating that I take it back.

As far as universals. Well I've been a lot of places, and known a lot of different people from different cultures and countries. The one thing I did notice is that what seems to be moral in the sense of "supporting longer healthier more compassionate lives" as you would say, seemed to be pretty universal between all "ethical" people of those cultures.
That's why I have always said that "ethics" are much more universal than people think. It's just that some choose not to follow what is set as "ethical" by most cultures. Doesn't make "ethics" non-existent or meaningless, just means some don't follow it.

But let's not get into that discussion again! It goes round in circles sometimes. :D

Take care!
Ryu

[red5angel]

**** you and your last word!!!! :)

Actually ethics and morality are much the same thing for me. I know the distinctions but don't see much of a difference when it comes down to it. However, one of these days we will have to discuss it, it's probbaly my favorite subject and the reason I am persuing my doctorate in psychology.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by red5angel
**** you and your last word!!!! :)

:D Haha, sorry, sorry....


You know I had a great thesis paper written by one of my professors in Epistemology/Philo of Behavioral Science that covered how ethics could be both subjective and objective at the same time. It influenced my thinking a lot. I wish I could scan it or something and send it to you if you wanted to see it.
I might be able to copy it. I'll figure out something. :)

Good luck with your doctorate! That's great to hear!

Take care,
Ryu

[red5angel]

I'd love to read it! If you can scan it or something please do!

[tnwingtsun]

So if you are the ultimate sportsman and are seeking the ultimate adrenaline rush then come out to our ranch and shoot one of these nagging whinny *****es where it hurts and shut her the **** up. Then mount her like a "Real Man".

Private hunt includes:
· Round Trip Airfare for hunter
· Lodging for hunter (3 Days 4 Nights)
· Meals for hunter
· The Hunt
· Video of the Hunt
· Mount (not for virgins, you figure it out)

Price: $10,000.00 U.S.
Deposit: $2,500.00 U.S. ** NON- REFUNDABLE


http://66.226.85.62/category/6/index.html


Whos the joke really on?

Ask me which I'd pick between going to the bambi ranch or taking a woman to have an abortion,then again,thats my chioce.....

Worse things going on in the world than *******s taking $$$ from morons.

[Xebsball]

nice free pix, thanx

[themeecer]

This is hilareous. What will they think up next? I definetly don't condone this, but I do agree with the ones that say both parties are to blame the men and the women. I don't understand such rabid hostilities to the ones doing this, though. Heck .. if I didn't have morals about being naked in front of people, for $2,500 I'd let people shoot at me as I ran around. And yes this is a whole lot tamer than actual prostitution. Would the ones that want to hunt down the organizers of the "bambi-hunt," feel so strongly about hunting down pimps or prostitutes themselves?


Trust Serpent to turn this into a cut on America.

[Mr Punch]

Originally posted by tnwingtsun
So if you are the ultimate sportsman and are seeking the ultimate adrenaline rush then come out to our ranch and shoot one of these nagging whinny *****es where it hurts and shut her the **** up. Then mount her like a "Real Man".
The site seems full of this kind of wording, including talking about these women as *****s, ****s and *****es and saying they got what they deserved: wording more appropriate for violent porn or snuff.


Whos the joke really on?
It ain't funny.


Ask me which I'd pick between going to the bambi ranch or taking a woman to have an abortion,then again,thats my chioce.....WTF's your connection here?

This site is ****. The men who do this sort of thing are misogynists, who are probably useless in bed, and hopefully impotent (and incontinent) as I sure as eggs is eggs don't want them or their children anywhere near mine. The women who do this should grow up, get a job and find a real man (one who can offer them a serious relationship or even just fun).

Even prostitution is (albeit paid and quite often dysfunctional) a relationship, one involving two humans, some kind of social contract and if nothing else practise in arguably the closest form of physical human expression known to humans. This on the other hand, is a relationship based solely on the promotion of violent impulse and dehumanisation.

Regardless of my personal distaste, the biggest difference between this and 'good clean fun' is that this can kill. Plastic baton rounds at 98 mph have been known to kill when hitting unprotected heads or chests. These are a little lighter, but 200 mph... with no protection?! How is this legal?

**** it, I've wasted enough time with this nonsense.

Cheers Ryu and other sensible types.

[Kymus]

what a bunch of, well, wastes! I'm sorry, but I would NEVER pay 5 grand to shoot at naked women with paint balls! These guys need a better hobby, cause if they're willing to spend that much on something THAT retarted, they should be giving to charity.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by themeecer
Heck .. if I didn't have morals about being naked in front of people, for $2,500 I'd let people shoot at me as I ran around.


People would queue up for the chance too, I'm sure.

Why do you have morals about being naked in front of people? Sure, if they don't want you naked, then that's indecent exposure, but what are your morals otherwise. Really, I'm genuinely interested.




Trust Serpent to turn this into a cut on America.

Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em. All I said was "Only in America". Trust me, this would not happen in any other country.

[tnwingtsun]

"Hey, I call 'em as I see 'em. All I said was "Only in America". Trust me, this would not happen in any other country."

No,I don't trust you serpent,as a matter of fact I know you're full of $hit,worse things go on in other countries when it comes to women,I can think of
something off the top of my head I saw 21 years ago in South korea.


How is this legal?

I don't know how but alot of people that play the paintball game
I've talked to are going to try and shut these clowns down for running a unsafe field.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by tnwingtsun
No,I don't trust you serpent,as a matter of fact I know you're full of $hit,worse things go on in other countries when it comes to women,I can think of
something off the top of my head I saw 21 years ago in South korea.


I don't deny for a second that there are places where women (and men and kids!) are treated far, far worse.

However, only in America would you have the combination of that much money and guns and naked chick hunting for "fun".

[Ryu]

Let's not get into the "worst of the worst" game.... :( There's horrible garbage all over the world, just as much there as it is here. Please don't compare to see what's the worst!

Anyway the consensus seems to be that this thing is disgusting and immoral at worst, and completely unsafe and irresponsible at best....
So why not leave it at that? I doubt this will be going on long.

And Mat, thanks. :) Cheers back.

Ryu

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Ryu
Let's not get into the "worst of the worst" game.... :( There's horrible garbage all over the world, just as much there as it is here. Please don't compare to see what's the worst!

Anyway the consensus seems to be that this thing is disgusting and immoral at worst, and completely unsafe and irresponsible at best....
So why not leave it at that? I doubt this will be going on long.


Well said, I'm happy to go along with that.

[tnwingtsun]

>Anyway the consensus seems to be that this thing is disgusting and immoral at worst, and completely unsafe and irresponsible at best....
So why not leave it at that? I doubt this will be going on long.<


I think we're all united on this,I've got the paintball ppl I know working on it,with us all and many more others this will stop
the unsafe practice,as far as shutting down the game and its theme altogether that may be another cookie to crumble.
:(

[themeecer]

Originally posted by Serpent

Why do you have morals about being naked in front of people? Sure, if they don't want you naked, then that's indecent exposure, but what are your morals otherwise. Really, I'm genuinely interested.

Ummm ... are you honestly asking me this? I figured this one would go without saying. Let me put it this way .. what if you had a 16 year old daughter that wanted to pose naked for some tabloids or at a "peep" show.

Do you not see anything immoral about running around exposing yourself to members of the opposite sex? Concentual or not.

For my other morals they are typical Christian morals. If I go into them more than this it will start up another argument.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by themeecer
Let me put it this way .. what if you had a 16 year old daughter that wanted to pose naked for some tabloids or at a "peep" show.


Not at 16. If she was 18 then it would be her choice. I might not necessarily like the idea, but if it was consenting and legal then I'd have to live with that. If she had a good body and was proud of it, then why not. The human form is beautiful.



Do you not see anything immoral about running around exposing yourself to members of the opposite sex? Concentual or not.


If it's not concentual, then of course it's bad. If it is concentual, then not at all. What's wrong with nakedness? The human form is a wonderful thing.

WARNING: Too much information approaching ;) : I often walk about my place naked, as does Mrs Serpent. It feels great. I have no problems with nudity. I think nudist beaches are cool and liberating and not in the least bit sexual.

I think innoffensive public nudity is fine.



For my other morals they are typical Christian morals. If I go into them more than this it will start up another argument.

You're almost certainly right there.

[Laughing Cow]

Have to agree with Serpent.

But than I am from a country where nudity is openly practiced.

ALL our public swimming pools allow women to go top-less(some shouldn't) :D and most got a area sectioned off for full nudity too.

Our idea as with many other things is as follows:

"If you like it go for it, the appr. place and time is there. If you don't like it don't do it and keep your mouth shut about people that are doing it."

Cheers.

[themeecer]

I walk around my apartment naked a lot too. It is hot here in the summers. Small tip .. don't cook anything that splatters hot grease, naked. Youch!!! Tons of skin exposed. But I don't feel the same way you do about nude beaches, I do see them as immoral. Therefore I don't go to them. I don't see how they cannot be sexual. The moment I stepped onto one of those beaches everyone would know what was going through my mind. (Contrary to belief ... Christians are human as well and are "affected" by the same things you are)

[Serpent]

Originally posted by themeecer
I walk around my apartment naked a lot too. It is hot here in the summers. Small tip .. don't cook anything that splatters hot grease, naked. Youch!!! Tons of skin exposed. But I don't feel the same way you do about nude beaches, I do see them as immoral. Therefore I don't go to them. I don't see how they cannot be sexual. The moment I stepped onto one of those beaches everyone would know what was going through my mind. (Contrary to belief ... Christians are human as well and are "affected" by the same things you are)

Well, right there we can see that it's your problem. Nudity is not inherently sexual. If you get a hard on at nude beaches then you have other issues. Here in Australia topless beaches are the norm and nudist beaches are commonplace.

But, at least one of your attitudes is right - you don't like it, so you don't go. Fair enough. So long as you don't try to stop others from going, then everyone's happy.

:)

[themeecer]

Hmmm .. you're not affected by scores of naked women? Doesn't seem like I am the one with the issues. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist.

[shaolin kungfu]

If I didn't have my family to worry about, or my blinding pale skin, i'd walk around my house naked all the time. It feels nice to be naked. :)

And if you cant control you hardness, don't go to the nude beaches or watch hbo.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by themeecer
Hmmm .. you're not affected by scores of naked women? Doesn't seem like I am the one with the issues. :D

Sorry, couldn't resist.

:)

I refer you to shaolin kungfu's comment below yours.

I know you were joking there, but you really should be able to differentiate between nudity and sexual attraction. If not, you haven't really progressed beyond the mentality of a teenager.

Now, if those nude women on the beach were all kinda dancing and grooving and oiled and twirling a little bit of hair around one finger while beckoning with pouty lips, then that's another story entirely!

Scuse me, I have to go to the bathroom. ;)

:D

[shaolin kungfu]

If not, you haven't really progressed beyond the mentality of a teenager.

And I am a teenager!:eek:

It's like this. You don't get turned on if you watch some discovery channel show with naked indians, or when reading national geographic, do you? There's nothing sexual about those things.

There's a difference between sexual behavior and simply being in the nude.

[Laughing Cow]

Now I give you people 2 choices:

1.) A naked woman.
2.) A woman dressed in a way to only offer climpses of her charms.

Which is more sexy and seductive?























I got for choice 2 anytime.
:D
Just like christmas you get to unwrap something.

[Serpent]

I hear that. Though I prefer to watch them unwrap themselves! ;)

******. Gotta go to the bathroom again!

:mad:

:D

[themeecer]

but you really should be able to differentiate between nudity and sexual attraction. If not, you haven't really progressed beyond the mentality of a teenager.

We just operate on a different set of values. You are desensitized to what you see and I try to avoid it. Therefore exposure to it still has quite a different effect on me. It has nothing to do with the mentality. I don't expect you to understand this; we operate as night and day to each other.

[shaolin kungfu]

I don't think it has anything to do with being desensitized.

I for one have never gotten "excited" just because a girl was topless. She always had to be doing something erotic. Never once got aroused by naked indians gathering berries on the television.

Nude beaches to me are like t.v. documentaries. Just people doing what they normally do at the beach, except they're nude.

[Laughing Cow]

When people for the first time visit a nudist beach naturally they are a bit self-conscious and insecure, but that usually stop after a few minutes when they realise that nobody cares about their nudity or anybody elses either.

Nobody walks around and compares sizes or checks for potential sex-partners and if they do they normally are chased away anyway.

I've seen naked breasts all my life but still apreciate a nicely shaped pair, covered or not.
:D

[Chang Style Novice]

Back to the topic, there's an excellent chance the story is a hoax (http://www.snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp) to which I can only say "whew!"

[themeecer]

Back to the topic? What the heck was the topic? I totally forgot about that. I had to go look.

[fa_jing]

yes, I can remember my trip to Europe, at 20 years old. Once you've seen a hundred pair of breasts you've seen them all. I definitely gawked too much at first. In particular, in Barcelona there was this one young, incredibly tanned hottie that was topless and happened to be oiling herself up only about 20 feet from where me and some friends were sitting. But it is worth mentioning that a majority (60% at least) of women do not go topless on these beaches, furthermore some that do are old and disgusting. If you need help calming down at one of these beaches, just check out some of the old scabby ones. :D Once as a friend of mine and I were hiking in Italy (Cinque Terra), we spied a remote beach way down the mountain which we thought would be uninhabited. We made our way down, and it turned out to be a completely nude beach!! That was fun, but again dudes are walking around with their ding-dongs flapping around and it isn't maybe quite what you pictured. Not all beach-goers were nude. There was also a nude, skanky red-headed girl checking us out - good thing I wasn't a little older, -- Anyway there's plenty of beautiful women in Europe, whether or not they are on the beach. There are also more topless and nude people on billboards, in advertisements etc. so you do get desensitized to the nudity.

[Serpent]

Most of the guys here, you'd need a laser sight and some seriously accurate weaponry to stand a chance of hitting the target.

;)

[Black Jack]

I agree that this is pretty rank and obvious deviant activity but it should be noted that these girls are doing this for some serious cash and are not victims of any stretch of the imagination.

People sell off kids for sex in sh!t bag third world countries and all kinds of other horrible behavior all over the globe. Compare to that this does not even rank of the scale.

[Chang Style Novice]

For those of you who missed it before:

It's probably a hoax. (http://snopes.com/inboxer/outrage/bambi.asp)

[themeecer]

Originally posted by Serpent
Most of the guys here, you'd need a laser sight and some seriously accurate weaponry to stand a chance of hitting the target.

;)

Ouch. ****** humor. That was a good one.

They would just need a w i d e angle lens for mine. ;)

edit: I can't believe p ecker is in the filter list. I picked a word that I was almost sure wasn't contained there.

[Serpent]

Originally posted by Black Jack
People sell off kids for sex in sh!t bag third world countries and all kinds of other horrible behavior all over the globe. Compare to that this does not even rank of the scale.

If I smack you in the mouth for no reason and bust up your teeth, then go and shoot another guy, does that diminish how out of order it was for me to punch you?

[Serpent]

Originally posted by themeecer

edit: I can't believe p ecker is in the filter list. I picked a word that I was almost sure wasn't contained there.

Mate, they even censor the word *****, which is an anatomically accepted term like lung or heart.

Strangely enough, however, they don't censor vagina.

Go figure.

Either way, you just have to know how to crack the censor if it's important enough for you to exercise your freedom of speech.

Seriously though, censoring ****** is bloody silly.

[Ryu]

Originally posted by Serpent


If I smack you in the mouth for no reason and bust up your teeth, then go and shoot another guy, does that diminish how out of order it was for me to punch you?


Good post, Serpent.

Ryu

[red5angel]

Nobody walks around and compares sizes or checks for potential sex-partners and if they do they normally are chased away anyway.

Apparently human beings don't go to these nude beaches?:rolleyes:

Ryu, how is that a good post? Serpent completely missed Black JAcks point...

[Chang Style Novice]

Red - IF this is actually happening, and IF it is happening as reported, then yes, there is some nominal amount of consent going on.

But consider: a gig like this would only attract women who are having difficulty earning money in any other way. And while $1,000 seems like a lot, it looks like a lot less when you consider the possibility of serious injury that's inherent in this situation (especially in the abscence of any safety equipment.) I don't think it's any kind of exagerration to say that IF this is a real commercial endeavor, it is exploitative of the employees to an even greater degree than usual. And I'm pretty seriously labor-left so I see most work as little better than wage slavery in the first place.

[ewallace]

Originally posted by themeecer
This is hilareous. What will they think up next?
Shooting paintballs at nekid brazilians who can't get any? :)

[red5angel]

CSN, I agree with you, trust me man I do. However we all do things almost daily that risk injury, driving for example. I know it's different for the most part but it's not that much different to me I guess, The important part is choice. If you make the choice, even knowing the risks, it's your deal and I am ok with that. It's like the wierd things people get sued for. Often they seem to be people not taking responsibility for my own actions - "I didn't know draino might give me brain damage if I drank it!"

however, beyond all that, I read your hoax links and it does appear as though it might be fake.

[Black Jack]

Red- Thank you. On the money.

For others just go back to the first page of this thread where serpent stated "only in america" and you will see the connection I am making when compared to that kind of statement.

Again if this is real, these bimbos are not victims, no one is being forced into this activity, the only lure is fast money. Does that make this activity right? In this situation IMO there is really no right or wrong. Just bad taste.

[Chang Style Novice]

"the important part is choice"

I agree completely. My point is that while you can to some degree choose the work you do, most people can't afford to choose not to work. Therefore inevitably, someone will end up with the worst job available. As a labor-lefty, I want that worst case scenario job to have a minimum of awfulness to it. These guys (if they exist) seem to be lowering the standard of that worst possible job, and furthermore to be doing it in a way that is inherently sexist, thereby aggravating the problem of inequality in the workplace.

Or put another way, IF this thing is real, the girls doing it don't have as much of a choice as one might think. After all, who would choose to do submit to such a thing if there were better options available to them?

edit - Jack's point about fast money is well taken, of course. But the question remains of who would need fast money that badly? The answer seems obvious to me - someone with no other way to make some dough. Again, a lack of choice.

[ewallace]

I'd probably take a couple welts on my ass to get paid a grand for a couple hours of work. That would be much better than being a groundskeeper at a local sanitation site.

[Black Jack]

Chang-

Thats because work like life is not going to be equal. The social order of work relations and fairness can be highbrowed till a person is blue in the face but it still will not change the fact that somepeople are not on the same footing or hold the same level of bankable merit as others in life when it comes to careers and money.

Now one may say these women are dumb and are being abused. I can see where people might get that. But others may say that these women who are free to make there own choices as consenting adults are making 2500 dollars in thirty minutes by dodging paintballs. Some may even consider that smart economics. Even more so when the average american sheeple may make that in a month.

[ewallace]

I'd definitely take a couple welts on my ass to get paid a grand for a half-hour of work.

And I make decent money as it is.

[red5angel]

I'm with ewalrus on this. I'd run around naked and let girls shoot at me with a paint ball gun for a few thousand dollars, although I would insist on goggles.

[themeecer]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
"the important part is choice"

I agree completely. My point is that while you can to some degree choose the work you do, most people can't afford to choose not to work. Therefore inevitably, someone will end up with the worst job available. As a labor-lefty, I want that worst case scenario job to have a minimum of awfulness to it. These guys (if they exist) seem to be lowering the standard of that worst possible job, and furthermore to be doing it in a way that is inherently sexist, thereby aggravating the problem of inequality in the workplace.

Or put another way, IF this thing is real, the girls doing it don't have as much of a choice as one might think. After all, who would choose to do submit to such a thing if there were better options available to them?

edit - Jack's point about fast money is well taken, of course. But the question remains of who would need fast money that badly? The answer seems obvious to me - someone with no other way to make some dough. Again, a lack of choice.

CSN, that sounds like a shakey defense. Just because someone doesn't have a high scool degree they are "forced" to run around naked and be shot at? Or originally "forced" to sell their bodys to johns? I know of many people that are probably worse off than these women are that don't resort to this.

I worked in a tanning salon while I was in college. (Ahhhh ... what a wonderful job for a single college guy) The patrons that had the most money, drove the best cars, were escorts. It isn't that these women don't have alternatives, it is the lure of easy cash is enticing to them.

I'm not saying you totally disagree with me here.

[GreyMystik]

bizarre.

however, i don't see what all the fuss is about.

[Chang Style Novice]

I'm not claiming that they're (hypothtically) being forced. My position is that their (hypothetical) circumstances limit help to determine their choices. I know that my circumstances have limited and helped to determine my choices.

For example, even if Wallace and Red wanted to take a job with Bambi Hunters as human targets, they wouldn't be hired because they're men (and because the place is probably imaginary, but I'll set that aside for now.) In that way, the Bambi Hunters CEO is already taking advantage of the fact that women have worse employment opportunities than men.

[ewallace]

I'm with ewalrus on this
That would have earned you a complimentary ass whipping in middle school.



Luckily I got over being called that name late last year.

[red5angel]

I think his point themeecer is that it is a quick way to make some money and someone who might be down on their luck may feel they have to do it. It's not an excuse mind you, no in my eyes but I understand what Changy is trying to get at.

[Black Jack]

I see what he is saying to. I may not agree with the heart of it but I get it. If a person is down on their luck though that does not make them victims by any stretch.

In the end the choice is still 100% their own if they choose to play naked tag. Plus you have to consider if that would be a automatic bad choice on a individual level. Most of these women if this is real as indicated by the news are las vegas showgirls and strippers who make a very decent wage but who want to pick up a cool $1,000-$2,500 for a small bit of time.

Even if they were street vargrants or down on their luck house moms the choice to play may be a good choice if money is needed. Everything is not always so black and white.

[Xebsball]

ewallace, go **** Jesus in the ass since you love him so much, you men's thigh grabbing butt licker
then take your time and **** your dead mothers rotten body too

[red5angel]

yeah but how do you really feel xebs?

[Xebsball]

:mad:

[red5angel]

That would have earned you a complimentary ass licking in middle school


that's just not right.....;)

[ewallace]

Xebs problem of not getting any is very similar to a man that constantly hits himself on the head with a hammer and always complains about having a headache.

And just for you Rod5, I'd make sure to eat some citrusy fruit first to pop up the taste-buds. :)

[red5angel]

ROFL@ EW!!!

So xebbies hitting chicks with hammers and complaining they aren't giving him any?

[ewallace]

Right about now that's probably the case.

[red5angel]

you better watch it ewalpurgis, Xebbie sounds really irritated. he mightg come find you, I understand brazil is not far from San Antonio...

[ewallace]

It's only been a few days and I'm already irritated. I can only imagine how poor Xebbsy feels...or doesn't feel. :)

Brazil is about an hour south of san antonio. Or may as well be.

[red5angel]

all I know is I heard those brazileans can really take it to the ground if they need to.

[red5angel]

xebs must have gone off to do some preventative care for prostate cancer....

[Budokan]

LOL @ the turn this thread has taken.... Don't hold back, Xebs, how do you really feel about the matter?

[GreyMystik]

yeah.. i mean, you don't have to sugar-coat things so much... let your true feelings out :D

[ewallace]

Xebs, how do you really feel about the matter?
My guess would be with a closed grip.

[red5angel]

My guess would be with a closed grip

Triangle stranglehold.

[Budokan]

Shades of bonsai kittens. Remember that hoax? And even if it's not a hoax, here's something many of the detractors have forgotten:

The guy who runs this shenanigan was on the national news yesterday and he swore up and down the women got to wear goggles and sneakers -- but nothing else. Funny how the men who are most attracted to this are weak-minded and socially castrated mamma's boys. That ought to tell you something right there.

Anyway, it tickles me to see how so many other people get so upset over this. What world have you been living in that you don't think seemingly ordinary people will do goofy things for money or pay out the nose to live out a puerile fantasy? Don't be so naive.

You're not living in Shangri La, but the Earth, and it's a nasty place historically. People have dehumanized themselves for less that $1000 -- and willingly I might add -- all throughout history. It's part of human nature. This nut is making people face what we don't want to admit is a fundamental part of the human race. And it's not very pretty. But then again no one ever claimed that the human race was a noble one. At least not with a straight face...and not sober.

[red5angel]

Funny how the men who are most attracted to this are weak-minded and socially castrated mamma's boys.

On what basis do you make this assumption?

[Budokan]

I always shop in my local grocery store completely naked. No one seems to mind or notice. I guess it's the thick matted hair all over my body -- people must think I'm wearing a fur shirt and pants or something???

[Budokan]

No basis whatsoever, I simply make it up out of whole cloth. This is KFO after all...!

[Black Jack]

Xebs is just ****ed because the local shaman has started to use ribbed condoms during the weekly village fertility ritual and when it is his turn to play the virgin princess he hates the feeling of rubber in his hands.

Brazil is such a natural country afterall. She-males and plastic surgery aside.

[red5angel]

ROFL@Black Jack!!! I'm not sure why but that put me in tears, and at brazils expense, I am so ashamed!

[Budokan]

I'd be more than willing to take a welt on my a$$ for a thousand bucks but they'd first have to shave the hair away for the welt to properly form. But I'd let them do that, too. I'm not fickle.

[SanShou Guru]

It's a Hoax (http://www.msnbc.com/news/940748.asp?0cv=CB20) evidently.

[Chang Style Novice]

Glad to hear it. The world is too sleazy already.

[red5angel]

Didn't you already prove this was a hoax CSN?

[SanShou Guru]

Not me I just found out from MSNBC. Good news but I bet someone will make it a real game now.

[Chang Style Novice]

red - no, I linked to Snopes when it was suspected a hoax, but not yet proven.

[Yung Apprentice]

It's not a hoax. I'm from Las Vegas, and thats all they were talking about for weeks, is this Bambi stuff. But it's not a hoax. ORIGINALLY, it was. They were making some sorta spoof movie, making fun of deer hunters. But then there were people calling from all over the world, wanting to partake in this, so the guy who made the movie figured it would be a good way to turn a buck, and then made it happen.

[fa_jing]

I just saw an expose on Univision. They showed a guy actually hunting a girl, she had a bikini on though, and maybe goggles, I didn't see it. But she did get hit twice and they showed the welts. Also, now women can hunt men too. They showed a 51-year old Puerto Rican woman hunting a 20 year old boy/man in briefs. They interviewed all of the participants.

It looked real, but I am very distrustful of the contents of Spanish-language news magazine shows, they are very sensationalistic. For instance they never mentioned the hoax.