First BJJ class....

[shaolin kungfu]

Holy christ that was fun! :D

Got thrown on my ass, submitted, and thrown on my ass again. Matamoros showed a couple moves to the whole class in the beggining, which made me feel a bit lost. But as class went on people helped me(mostly with just knowing the basic positions) so it got better.

It kicked total ass!:D

[Water Dragon]

Did ya puke?

[truewrestler]

cool, what did you learn?

[shaolin kungfu]

Did ya puke?

Felt like I was about to, but I didn't.:)
It was really hard to keep goin after the first 20 min or so. I really need to work on endurance.


cool, what did you learn?

Some kind of hip throw, a take down where your standing perpindicular to the opponant and sweep his foot, And a way to get out of someones mount( if I'm wording that right, the terminology is a little hard for me). That all seemed a little advanced, and thats where I felt lost. Later on in the class people helped me with knowing the basic positions, mount, side mount, something where you put your knee on they're chest (I forgot what it's called), etc. I felt a bit overwhelmed, but that should go away after a while, right?

[jon]

Im actualy seriously considering doing a bit of BJJ as well, ive trained with a few people who practice and really liked what i was shown.

Out of curiousity what sort of things did you guys train in your first lesson?
Did you get the impression it would take a long time to become proficient in or do you think a basic understanding could be gained relatively quickly?
(questions for anyone who wants to answer not just shaolin kungfu)

[truewrestler]

"something where you put your knee on they're chest "

alll sounds good... and that is called "Knee on Belly"

"Did you get the impression it would take a long time to become proficient in or do you think a basic understanding could be gained relatively quickly?"

jon, it all depends on the person. You can get a good understanding in about 6 months training a couple times a week.... and some people can get good enough for Blue Belt in that time period... while others may take 2 years. BJJ belt promotion is almost purely based on skill....if you can consistently tap out Blue Belts then you will be promoted to Blue Belt. I think I've heard it takes on average 7 or 8 years to get to Black Belt in BJJ, for those that actually get there.

[shaolin kungfu]

Definitely go check it out jon. It's really fun.:D

[Ka]

Jon
Paulo teaches at Jin Wu Kwoon on Thur nights,7pm, I think
Its full of MThai boys wanting to cross train so there's always a friendly atmosphere and Paulo's a great dude.

Marcelo teaches at Sydney Uni mat room on Friday at noon also a great beginners class.
I think both these guys are great teachers and the price is low.

Hope you get into it as BJJ and SF is fun fun fun.And there's way less people *****ing(then IMA) about lineage

;)

PS Knee on the Chest = Knee Ride,put other knee on closest arm,same arm on on his thoat(rape choke) and other arm controlling his other arm.
Gotta luv that jargon

[jon]

Thanks to all for the help, im mainly an internal practioner and i train daily with my instructor.
Still im kinda in the mood for something fresh and different and BJJ seems to fit the bill perfectly. Its mainly ground based so it wont interfear with my internals (it also seems to share many principals) its also non chinese so i get to experience another cultures take on the martial arts.

Anyway im definately thinking more and more this would be a good idea.
Ive even found a school which has classes on just after i finish in the mornings so can go strait from my internals to a Bjj class :D
It also seems like a cool club and i actualy saw Elvis fight on the UFC and was impressed with both his skills and his humility (he thanked the online community after the fight).

Anyway here is the website for the school im looking into, if anyone has any experience with them please let me know.

http://www.sinosicperosh.com.au/

truewrestler
That video you posted of Genki Sudo is a big reason for me getting so excited about grappling :D. Before that i had never seen someone who could transition between the two so well.
Ive been really impressed with what i have seen from some of the lightweights in the ufc. Guys like Jens Pulver, BJ Penn, Coal Uno are all ammazing to watch and really show that UFC is not simply for mindless roided bruisers.
Im not about to quit what i do and compleately change but i am keen to get a real education in grappling from people who specialise in that area.
What you have stated about ranking progression is very heartening to hear. In my system we have no rankings other than your own skill level and what you have learnt and understood. Im really happy to hear that BJJ seems to have a very similar outlook.
As i say im not that fussed on getting *ranked* im much more interested in how much im going to learn. If there willing to teach me at the same rate that im capable then im more than happy to go along with there judgement. Im just not about to learn for 3 years before anyone is willing to teach me anything usefull.

shaolin kungfu
Im definately going to have to stop procasitinating and start rolling :D It was good to read a post from someone else who was thinking the same thing.

Ka
Thanks for the heads up ive actualy heard about a few of those places.
Its good to hear from you again btw, i hope you have been well.



Thanks for the tip bits everyone, and to all my cma friends im not quiting cma im just looking for a fresh outlook :D

[Yung Apprentice]

Jon- Hey, I'm looking at getting into BJJ too. I decided last week to go to "THE DARK SIDE OF THE FORCE":D lol Naw just joking. I've already visited one school, a Machado school, and learned some type of arm bar. I learned how to get into a position that would favor it. The arm bar was cool, basically, you get the guy's arm to cross his chest, you place your chest on his elbow, and put your weight on it, and then with a free hand, you pull on the wrist. It was cool.


I'm going to check two other schools out here, before I make my choice. There is a John Lewis school out here that I was very interested in, but you have to sign a 12 month contract, and I'm not too cool with that. I want to get some basic familiarity with the ground before I head off to boot camp, so I can't sign a 12 month contract. Plus, that place was expensive. Which sux, cause it looked like a good school.

[Merryprankster]

How good you get how quickly will depend on how much time and effort you put in.

Athletic people with a little talent can get their blue belts in 6-8 months, provided that you train about 3 hours a day, six days a week.

Purple took me 2.5 years--which is substantially faster than many people. But, then again, I had 5 years of wrestling and maintained the above schedule.

I expect brown to take quite some time.

In all honesty, if you've never done any grappling or aren't naturally athletic, and don't go as often as I've outlined, then you are going to spend the first six months just learning how to MOVE. Moving on the ground is fundamentally different than standing, despite what anybody might tell you.

[Ka]

Hey Jon
I'm cool, Cheers
Nothing wrong with Elvis he is as good as your'll get.In fact I think he sets out the basics in a quicker learning fashion then many other schools.I figured you wanted one close to where you train so I posted Jin Wu Kwoon.Also I am a bit bias as I think Paulo is the stuff.
Straight up,all the BJJ /MMA schools in Sydney are good stuff,you can't go wrong as I don't think any have been around long enough for the usual weaknesses(expensive,lots of gradings bowing to flags etc blah blah) to creep in.

Jump in its all good.
:D

[truewrestler]

Hey Merryprankster, How you been? Did you go to or compete at the Grappling Pro-Am tournament?

[truewrestler]

Im just not about to learn for 3 years before anyone is willing to teach me anything usefull. Jon, you don't have to worry about that at all in BJJ. Has this come up before other places?

[Shaolin-Do]

I want to find a BJJ club around here to train with... dont want to pay tho.
hehehe....
I already know quite a bit of bjj.... Just need someone to roll with. All the dudes I practice with have gotten real lazy lately... f*ckin drunkards.
:D

[StickyHands]

Do they teach you to do to handle multiple opponents/street scenario, that sorta thing?

I was just watching the clip "Fight Factory" featuring Stephen Haigh, and there is this one move where he uses backflip to mount on the opponet who's already on the ground and then he goes for submission. My questions is would that be his signature show off move or does BJJ actually train you for that sort of stuff?

[truewrestler]

"My questions is would that be his signature show off move or does BJJ actually train you for that sort of stuff?"

There are many moves in BJJ/Grappling that may look flashy but have their time and purpose.

http://www.bullshido.us/dl_goto.asp?id=155

[norther practitioner]

There are many moves in BJJ/Grappling that may look flashy but have their time and purpose.

Wow, where have I heard that before..............:D

[joedoe]

Originally posted by truewrestler
"My questions is would that be his signature show off move or does BJJ actually train you for that sort of stuff?"

There are many moves in BJJ/Grappling that may look flashy but have their time and purpose.

http://www.bullshido.us/dl_goto.asp?id=155

What???? There are flashy moves in BJJ?!?!?!?! I thought it was all practical, no-nonsense stuff. You sure you didn't go toa dance class? :D

[truewrestler]

Painful: http://sherdog.com/fightfinder/pictures/ufc34_match3.jpg

[Merryprankster]

Stickyhands,

MOST of what you see will not be flashy. Every now and again you get some yahoo like Genki Sudo that uses some acrobatic stuff. We have an ex-gymnast who uses all sorts of crazy crap...beacuse he can :D

It's more about individual abilities and preferences than "moves that have their purpose." I'd do it one way, this other guy would do it another. No "right" way.

TW, was the pro-am in NC? I haven't been very impressed with their tourneys and I didn't go to this one.

[truewrestler]

MP, I'm talking about the Pro-Am tournament where the Lloyd Irvin Team competed in the Pro 4 Team tournament. I know you weren't on the Pro Team but thought you might have competed in the normal amateur tournament.

http://bjj.org/techniques/thetechniques/relsonGuardEscape/

"We have an ex-gymnast who uses all sorts of crazy crap...beacuse he can"

How is Robbie doing? Is he still active at Lloyds?

I really should and need to get back there

[StickyHands]

Originally posted by StickyHands
Do they teach you to do to handle multiple opponents/street scenario, that sorta thing?



No one wants to answer this question, is it that mind boggling?:D

[Merryprankster]

TW,

Nah, I'm not flying to Florida for a NAGA tournament unless I go visit my brother too.

Although, I would like to go against Charles McCarthy again to see how our games compare now. I beat him in the first go round but I heard he's gotten much better.

Are you closer to Woodbridge or Camp Springs? Cause Dalla has a school in Woodbridge now. Brett and Dave train there a lot, along with Big Jay.

Robbie is good. Haven't seen him for about a week, but he's well, training regularly, if not as frequently, I'm sure, as he would like.

StickyHands--Depends on the school. "Multiple opponent" scenarios usually involve learning how to get the f-up, make a hole, and scram. Most, but not all places teach some kind of "street" type scenarios from time to time.

I would be remiss, however, if I did not note that we view the things we do day to day as applicable to self-defense. Yes, it's a sport, but I would argue that competitive boxers, wrestlers and Judoka are dangerous opponents, despite their lack of "street" type training.

[truewrestler]

"Are you closer to Woodbridge or Camp Springs? Cause Dalla has a school in Woodbridge now. Brett and Dave train there a lot, along with Big Jay."

I'm much closer to Woodbridge and have thought about checking his place out. What's the schedule there? Thanks

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Merryprankster

In all honesty, if you've never done any grappling or aren't naturally athletic, and don't go as often as I've outlined, then you are going to spend the first six months just learning how to MOVE. Moving on the ground is fundamentally different than standing, despite what anybody might tell you.

Truer words have never been spoken

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by StickyHands
Do they teach you to do to handle multiple opponents/street scenario, that sorta thing?

I was just watching the clip "Fight Factory" featuring Stephen Haigh, and there is this one move where he uses backflip to mount on the opponet who's already on the ground and then he goes for submission. My questions is would that be his signature show off move or does BJJ actually train you for that sort of stuff?

Could be both... It could be a tech that he either developed or mastered, but he may have also shown it to any students that he has/had. Grappling is no different from standup in the respect that you use what's comfortable for you. some people are adept at pins, others fight better from the guard, some have good pick ups but suck at sweeps...

Brad Souders (here on KFO) for example uses a tech he developed that he calls the souders switch. I have a way of mounting someone by swinging my leg over their head as opposed to the normal way - it looks like a gymnast working a pommel horse. Matter of factly, I think I'll call it the pommel horse. :D