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Sekabin
08-10-2003, 03:37 PM
Hi everyone,
I'm soon to be moving to Tokyo and am looking for WC there. I've trained for 8 years and would be happy to just find some people who do WC, not necessarily an active school.
If all else fails, I'd be interested in finding *any* kung fu people!
Can anyone help?
Thanks,
Sek.
Laughing Cow
08-10-2003, 03:49 PM
Hi.
Get ahold of Mat I think he did some Wing Chun there.
There are quiet a few CMA styles practiced in the BIG cities in Japan
Choice of style and quality of Teacher will vary depending on where you are.
I think it is fair to say that unless you get to an area like Osaka or Tokyo your choices will be limited and that I think also extends to JMA.
If you are in Tokyo and are interested in IMA than you got quiet a few options:
Yi Chuan, Chen TJQ (Large and Small Frame).
Let us know where you will be.
Cheers.
canglong
08-10-2003, 04:08 PM
http://www.wingchun.org/text/schools/misc/japan.html
good luck.
Sekabin
08-10-2003, 04:12 PM
Originally posted by canglong
http://www.wingchun.org/text/schools/misc/japan.html
good luck.
That's great thanks Tony - it's been updated since I last looked. Does anyone have any info/opinions on the various schools listed here?
Thanks,
Sek.
Sekabin
08-10-2003, 04:18 PM
Originally posted by Laughing Cow
Hi.
If you are in Tokyo and are interested in IMA than you got quiet a few options:
Yi Chuan, Chen TJQ (Large and Small Frame).
Let us know where you will be.
Cheers.
Hi there,
I'll be in Tokyo, probably Western side but transport isn't a problem of course. I'd obviously keep training my WC so wouldn't want to do anything that would deviate too far from that if possible. But Yi Chuan sounds interesting :D Do you know of anyone teaching Xing I?...
Anyway, if I were to do anything other than my WC, IMA would be the way to go.
Thanks a lot,
Sek.
Sekabin
08-10-2003, 04:20 PM
Originally posted by Laughing Cow
Get ahold of Mat I think he did some Wing Chun there.
Oh... er sorry for sounding dumb but who's Mat?
Thanks!
Sek.
Laughing Cow
08-10-2003, 04:35 PM
Originally posted by Sekabin
Hi there,
I'll be in Tokyo, probably Western side but transport isn't a problem of course.
Tokyo western side I got some contacts living out that way.
I'd obviously keep training my WC so wouldn't want to do anything that would deviate too far from that if possible.
Naturally.
But Yi Chuan sounds interesting :D Do you know of anyone teaching Xing I?...
Thee are a few people teaching it here. Best known I think are the students of Wang Shu Jin in Shibuya.
Taikiken (Yi Chuan) is taught in Takadanobaba and from what I hear they guys are good and tough.
I think I heard about Xing Yi derived school that customised the art for modern military.
Anyway, if I were to do anything other than my WC, IMA would be the way to go.
Some good IMA teachers out here and many more come from china to give seminars.
Example:
Chen Peishan (Chen TJQ small frame) linage holder.
The LArge frame teacher has 22yrs teachins experiene and studied at the Village.
Oh... er sorry for sounding dumb but who's Mat?
He is a meber on this board, lives in Tokyo and has some experience with Wing chun schools there.
Cheers.
Miles Teg
08-10-2003, 06:45 PM
Hey
You are lucky you are going to Tokyo! Im in Nagoya and there is no W.C here. According to sticky fingers (a forum member) there isnt any in Osaka either. I went to watch a W.C class in Tokyo that is taught by Sifu Embrey Williams who comes from Hawaii (as I remember).
Also Aelward (another forum member) mentioned something about a Lo Man Kam affiliated practitioner in Tokyo I think.
Good luck
Laughing Cow
What do you practice?
Send me an email if you can. fdupindahead@hotmail.com
Laughing Cow
08-10-2003, 07:02 PM
Originally posted by Miles Teg
Laughing Cow
What do you practice?
Chen Xiao Jia TJQ.
Send me an email if you can. fdupindahead@hotmail.com
Done.
sing fu
08-10-2003, 09:55 PM
I think the practitioner you mentioned is probably listed here:http://www.wingchun-japan.org/j-schools.html . There's also http://yokohama.cool.ne.jp/chienwingchun/index.html. I guess it really depends who you want to study with :).
Best,
SF
Mr Punch
08-11-2003, 10:43 AM
I do indeed practise here. Gerald (Fabrot) is not an official contact/instructor of Lo Man Kam as that site says, though he keeps getting mail from it. He is good though, and I have the pleasure of practising with him regularly.
You are more than welcome to join our informal group, or I can give you the contact details of the four schools operating here. Or both! Look forward to meeting you... though I'm not holding my breath (you wouldn't believe the number of seriously interested-sounding people who never can be arsed to show!). Me, I'm always practising!!!:D
Sekabin
08-11-2003, 12:20 PM
Originally posted by Mat
You are more than welcome to join our informal group, or I can give you the contact details of the four schools operating here. Or both! Look forward to meeting you... though I'm not holding my breath (you wouldn't believe the number of seriously interested-sounding people who never can be arsed to show!). Me, I'm always practising!!!:D
I'm looking forward to meeting you too - and don't worry I'll show, I've been getting so depressed at the thought of no WC... if it were an illness to be obsessed about kung fu, I'd be locked up in no time... :D
I'll get in touch over email :)
aelward
08-11-2003, 12:34 PM
Hum, I did not think that Gerald is listed as an "official" contact on the wingchun-japan.org site; he is in contact with a few LMK students as well as non-LMK students, though.
Sifu Chen En is one of the first students of Sifu Lo, but also integrates a lot of other stuff into his training. I think they train once a week in Shinjuku, once a week in Yokohama.
I have also heard great things about Sifu Emberey Williams.
Mr Punch
08-11-2003, 05:49 PM
Hi aelward, Gerald thinks it's quite funny though, he keeps getting mails from people thinking he's a teacher!
Mind you he is good, and we always learn a lot off each other, and it is interesting meeting people from the net! Thanks for hooking us up. However, his Lo Man Kam contacts are mostly still in Taiwan, not in Tokyo unfortunately.
I haven't had a chance to check out Chen En yet, have you? I've heard good reports about his hands (and still pretty much wing chun based).
I'm very familiar with Embrey Williams.
aelward
08-12-2003, 06:48 AM
I met Chen En a couple of times when he visited Sifu Lo in Taipei. I never rolled with him, though; he was always hanging out with the senior-senior students, the ones who have been doing it since the 70s.
Everytime I go to Japan, I talk to him on the phone; from what he has told me, he mixes a little Chen Taiji, a little JKD, and some other stuff into his Wing Chun. He pretty much calls what he teaches "Mr. Chen's Wing Chun;" from the title of his webpage, you get the impression he is international...
On one of these visits to Japan, I'll try to make it out of the Kansai area and try and visit you all. We are aiming to go back next summer....
Miles Teg
08-12-2003, 09:30 PM
Hi Aelward
In NZ there is a branch of Wing Chun that is taught by a guy called Tony Brookes, who is a student of Bruce Chen, who is a student of Sifu Lo Kam Man. Anyway this guy uses alot of high kicks that look like TKD style kicks. From what Ive seen they only practice them in the beginning as a warm up when doing solo combination strike advnace type practice.
Anyway I dont know anything about Sifu Lo so I was just wondering whether high kicks are a feature of his W.C.
aelward
08-13-2003, 08:04 PM
Hi MilesTeg,
From what Bruce Cheng has told me, he never authorized Tony Brooks to teach. While this does not imply anything about his Wing Chun ability, it does suggest that his curriculum might stray pretty far from LMK's standard "skeleton" outline (Sifu Lo gives us a lot of leeway in teaching-- a skeleton of ideas and techniques that we can flesh out as we see fit; of course, if he sees us doing something he doesn't like, we'll get yelled at :P ).
Bruce Cheng, on the other hand, is simply amazing. He is our "dai-sihing," our Sifu first student. Even before he started learning WC, he was already a full contact fighting champion in Taiwan. His hands are lightning fast and all over you when he wants to be; super slow, sensitive and controlling when he wants to be.
Regarding your question about kicks: basically, the way Sifu Lo taught while I was there, we generally do not kick above the waist. Most of our kicks are aimed at shins, ankles, and knees; we also use knee attacks that might pass the waist depending on circumstance.
We have been having hosting problems lately, but go to:
http://www.wingchun-sf.com/resource/re-vistech.html
There are some pictures of Sifu Lo doing some knee attacks and leg-to-leg locks there.
If you are REALLY interested in Sifu Lo's approach, his "skeleton" curriculum is on:
http://www.lomankam.org/1300system.html
Though this site has been having problems as of late, too.
Miles Teg
08-14-2003, 01:10 AM
Nice sight!
OK Ive got the truth now. There was this rumour at my former place of training that the high kicks that Tony uses are sourced back to Sifu Lo who added them to his WC curriculum when or while teaching the Taiwanese special forces.
Hmmmmmmmmm
I thought that sounded a little strange. Also on Bruce Chens site there arent any pictures of people doing high kicks.
As for Tony Brookes not being authorized to teach.......well that might explain why he tells everybody that he learnt from 'Yip Mans sons in HK'. Which kind of confused everbody studying outside his class. The guy has a big following and has impressive skills though.
Lo Man Kams stuff looks really great. The only experience I have of his style is from a free beginner lesson with Tony Brookes once......which was still really good, even though I didnt go that way. I hope I can have the chance to meet someone else from Sifu Lo's line sometime in the future.
aelward
08-14-2003, 05:52 AM
Miles Teg writes:
>high kicks that Tony uses are sourced back to Sifu Lo who
>added them to his WC curriculum when or while teaching the
>Taiwanese special forces.
No, Sifu Lo keeps his Wing Chun and his police/special forces curriculum separate. He teaches straight Wing Chun to the general public, but the law enforcement/military curriculum is only taught to police and military. Also, the Wing Chun for the police is rather limited-- just principles and a few hand techniques-- since it takes a long time to get the basics of Wing Chun and the unarmed combat sections of those peoples curriculum are apparently rather short. Even still, I have never seen a high kick in any of those techniques (check out "Police Kung Fu," a book released by Tuttle Publishing)-- it is mostly joint manipulations and weapon disarms.
Going back to Bruce Cheng-- I am not one to rave about people in my own lineage (flys in the face of supposed martial modesty)-- but he is too awesome not to talk about, except in glowing words.
Mr Punch
08-15-2003, 11:28 PM
Aelward, it'd be great to see you any time you're in Kanto. And true, in my experience with Gerald and Yuusuke form Lo Man Kam's style, they don't use kicks much at all for a long time, and certainly no higher than the nuts.
Sekabin, cheers for the mail, I look forward to hooking up with you when you come over.
Miles, please PM me. Thanks.
Miles Teg
08-16-2003, 02:09 AM
Hey Matt
My PM function is off and their is something weird going on with my pc a it wont let me turn it on. Send me an email at graymasako@hotmail.com and Ill write straight back.
Hope training is going good! Ya lucky Tokyo ba$tards!
Mr Punch
08-19-2003, 02:20 AM
Yes, he started about three months ago I think. I don't know if he actually has a school or just trains in parks and things (he was doing when I met him). Nice guy.
Cheers Miles, appreciated.
wcjames
04-25-2012, 09:42 PM
Yeah, bruce lee and sifu tony brooks both strayed and showed off high kicks. Sifu Tony was awarded the same sash as Lo Man Kam with ian vale -nz police head, before lo man kam added chinna grappling to Uncle Ip Mans wing chun. Sifu Tony Brooks had Lo Man Kams Emblem handed Officially into tonys hands with request for tony to open a school.Sifu Tony refused to teach for two years then accepted nz request and succeeded where b cheng did not. Sifu Tony Brooks was placed above Bcheng as head example on Lo Man Kams website, and this caused cheng to go rotton .sifu tony was authorized, but left lo man kam style because of unright mafia monopoly and insults. Even lo man kams son gordon, emailed tony please not to leave. Sifu Tony left respectfully with no dramas. Bchengs 15yrs of lies, defamation, slander and jokes show bcheng jealousy and standards. Sifu Tony is also Qualified by both of Ip Mans Sons, to end certs, plus licienced, and also by World Wing Chun President, Sifu Ron Heimberger to end cert, before his passing. So therefore, Sifu Tony Brooks is the only person in the world to be qualified by everyone, Ip Man taught personally in his own family,(2 sons-hong kong and newphew from Taiwan),Sifu Ip Ching Sifu Ip Chun ,Sifu Lo Man Kam and also, being endorsed by Council President sifu Ron, who brought Sifus from Turkey/Canada/usa/itally/england/germany/nz etc to fight in Hong Kong where Bruce lee trained. Sifu Tony Brooks is a Hong Kong Qualified Sifu and b cheng is a Taiwan- tai kwon do/wc Sifu, jealous, maybe, but no reason for many various forums of lies, disrespect or rumours through students. true ,Bcheng vids are unskilled and gets hit, compare videos ,but give both respect.
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