Pettyness, Immaturity.. And MA.

[Shaolin-Do]

Hmm...
Hate to play the "stinky hippie" card (cant we all just get along?)
But seriously folks... its gotten kinda out of hand. What could be constructive criticism has turned into personal attacks and name calling. I feel that the petty squabbles have and are hampering our ability to function as a martial community. Name calling, style bashing.. ect... Isnt it time to grow up and look past the BS? Your style isnt perfect. Neither is mine. Might as well learn what we can from one another.
If *we* lack the maturity to make coherent statements to those we dont particularly agree with, can *we* at least not resort to name calling, verbal assaults? Can *we* not at least resort to "indifference"? It appears that some lack the ability to argue their point, and voice their opinion, without making vocal attacks in the process. Some of the sh!t that has been said on here is absolutely uncalled for. Im not saying that people have to change who they are... Just grow up a little bit, make a concious effort to "argue" instead of making hateful and thoughtless comments.
If we want to promote martial arts, if we want to change the way things are done and the overall perception of the arts, how are we going to do so squabbling over nothingness? "United we stand, divided we fall".. A bit cliche yes, but the truth none the less. If we want to change the way everyone else thinks about us, we have to change the way we think about each other first.

[Judge Pen]

I couldn't agree with you more. It seems that things calmed down here for a while and then we have some apparently very talented martial artists come here and post, but they can't debate a point without asserting how stupid everyone else is and how superior they (and their style) is to all others.

The thing is that I could actually agree with much of what they are saying but for their manner of speech. Resorting to personal attacks and childish behavior does not underscore an opinion; it detracts from their opinion.

And I'm not a hippie!

[dwid]

I hate to say this, and I don't mean to be an a$$hole, but I think that it's a perception problem. Some people feel bad when they see "we martial artists" aren't getting along. The problem lies in perceiving "we martial artists" as some kind of a community. We are no more a community than any other group of people who vaguely share a somewhat common interest.

For example, people who collect baseball cards. They go to conventions and they can talk baseball cards with one another. They spend at least part of their time thinking about and engaging in activities that are related to that interest.

Arguably, some of these people consider themselves a part of a community of collectors. However, those that do are in the minority, I would wager. They are the ones who are really really into it.

Now, consider martial artists. We participate in a wide variety of activities that all sort of fall under the umbrella "martial arts." We likely all spend anywhere from an hour or two to up to 20 or more hours per week thinking about and engaging in some variation on this activity. Some go to conventions or participate in online discussions. Most do not.

Anyway, the point is, there is a lot more that is different than is even remotely similar, so why is it even reasonable to expect that "we all just get along?"

[shaolin kungfu]

Stop smokin you dirty hippy!


































:p :D

[Shaolin-Do]

Not necessarily saying we should get along dude... Im just asking for some sort of cease in the needless namecalling and personal verbal attacks. Theres no need, it makes you look less intelligent if anything.
Any if anything itd be more or less compared to baseball... Not card collectors. They never could have went on strike if they were busy acting like 6th graders calling each other names. Regardles of wheather or not it accomplished anything, it took the effort of the whole.
"Some people feel bad when they see "we martial artists" aren't getting along. The problem lies in perceiving "we martial artists" as some kind of a community. We are no more a community than any other group of people who vaguely share a somewhat common interest."

I dont feel bad, I feel that it makes the rest of the world look on at us like ignorant children, drabbling at the tounge with diarreah (sp?) of the mouth.
Comparing me to you is comparing an Eagle to a lion... (football)

[red5angel]

screw you shaolin - dodo, you don't even practice a real martial art, as a matter of fact I bet you don't practice anything resembling martial arts, just "man to gland" combat.
Your opinions suck, your style sucks, it doesn't even have a real lineage, and let's not get started with the shaolin thing, I mean please, I odn't believe in unicorns or dragons, why would I believe in "shaolin monks"?

[dwid]

So you're saying we should go on strike...

j/k

I understand what you're getting at. The forum in particular does see a lot of arguments and just a little maturity.

I'd like to thank red5 for his timely illustration of my point.

:D

[Shaolin-Do]

r5 once again attempts... and fails the troll!
:D

[red5angel]

hehe, your on my like white on rice today SD!

[shaolinboxer]

Don't you realize that's it's tradition to talk trash and attack other martial artists personally? After all, the martial arts were created by a bunch of seedy gang banging alchoholics ;).

[red5angel]

actually I think all the violence comes from teh fact that martial arts were created by seedy gangs and warrior monks looking to prove their style was the best.

[shaolin kungfu]

After all, the martial arts were created by a bunch of seedy gang banging alchoholics

Pornstars created martial arts?

[lkfmdc]

too bad you don't realize how true the above statement is :p

[dwid]

actually I think all the violence comes from teh fact that martial arts were created by seedy gangs and warrior monks looking to prove their style was the best.

Well, sure, I'd like to believe that. It's more likely that most of our arts were invented by guys at the end of a 96-hour D&D jag, fueled only by Mr. Pibb, Hot Pockets, and Twinkies.

;)

[Shaolin-Do]

"Pornstars created martial arts?"

"After all, the martial arts were created by a bunch of seedy gang banging alchoholics"

" It's more likely that most of our arts were invented by guys at the end of a 96-hour D&D jag, fueled only by Mr. Pibb, Hot Pockets, and Twinkies."


You people make me sick. How could you forget the oh so prestigious and honorable opium traders?!?!












:D

[norther practitioner]

Come on dude, don't you realize.. the hairy monk was a P.I.M.P.
Why else would he rock a perm like that...:D


Now you realize only one of us is right /looks around room/ now which one is it

[yenhoi]

Thats all good and all, but for the record, my style is perfect.

:eek:

[lkfmdc]

I'm afraid I'll have to disagree

[yenhoi]

Thats ok with me, but its also ok with me that your wrong.

yenhoi method is superior.

:eek:

[red5angel]

I can attest to Yenhoi's superior martial arts. His forms are the most beautiful I have ever seen.

[norther practitioner]

/Throws forms book out window/
Yenhoi, bro, hows it going....


:D

[yenhoi]

www.emptyflower.com

:cool:

[norther practitioner]

Sweet...:cool:
I know I picked long fist just because of how pretty the forms are :rolleyes:

[crazymaddrunk]

Actually, Wing Chun smokes big ones, and I don't mean joints or cigs. I watched a video a couple of years ago with all these WC guys practicing hard, doing forms, only to get the sh*t beat out of them when they faced some bad bros from NYC, using Kyokushinkai. I laughed so hard as the brothers pounded their silly a$$e$....

[Jook Lum]

Hello everyone!In my opinion many of the people on here and other forum`s that act like they are about 7 yrs.old do it because they are hiding behind a computer.They are able to talk sh** because they are not talking to the other person(s) in person,if they were in front of the other person and said some of the foolish things that they say on here they would get at least a punch to the face or a good a** kicking.Or face to face they could prove their lethal killing ability that they like to profess on forums.I suppose as with everything you have to take the good with the bad.At least you can talk to people from other styles and parts of the world about martial arts and other things which if the forums were not here you could not do with the same ease. Joi Gin

[Mr Punch]

Still laughing...

pettiness, immaturity and ... Berserker...


Er, no *******, this thread wasn't actually addressed to you...! :D

Oh dear, now you've dragged me down to your level... well, you sure as hell ain't gonna make it up to mine are you...?!:p :D So I'll just have to whoop you on this one too!:eek:

[Mr Punch]

BTW, SD and JP, good posts.

You wouldn't catch me being petty and immature...:D

You know sometimes you just get the feeling that even after 50 million years of evolution the most popular forms of mass-media with all their potential are just making us dumber and dumber...!?

[shaolin kungfu]

I have a feeling berserker was sodomized by a donkey when he was young.

Then again, maybe going on a three day drinkin binge, beatin up drunken mexicans, and bangin *****s is the secret to good kungfu.

Anyways, I dont think we're ever going to get rid of bickering and name calling. At least not here.

[ShaolinTiger00]

"When one looks at a typical class of traditional martial artists and compares it with a typical class of combat athletes engaged in their chosen sport, the difference is often very striking. The psyche and physiology of the people involved in combat sports appears very different from traditional martial artists. Almost always the level of physical conditioning is dramatically higher among combat athletes. The ethos that is cultivated is improvement through hard physical work. In traditional martial arts the ethos is all too often one of improvement through the acquisition of "secret technique". The mindset in combat sports tends to be one of judging technique and ability through empirical evidence. This is possible because there is a simple test as to whether a technique works or a student is good - train live and see what happens. In traditional martial arts this rarely happens. As a result the true worth of a technique or student is difficult to gauge. Traditional martial arts espouse much more than fighting technique. They also promote a certain kind of lifestyle and worldview. Quite often these worldviews are quite pacifist or non-competitive in nature. Naturally this tends to attract a "kinder, gentler" type of student.

Combat sports on the other hand, directly endorse competition and the pursuit of victory by physical domination of an opponent. As such they attract a strong, competitive mindset. This tends to be a mindset that does well in real fighting also. Thus the kind of person who tends to be attracted to combat sports tends to be very different from the kind of person who is attracted to traditional martial arts. Perhaps the most important contrast between students of traditional martial arts and combat athletes is the confidence that live training instills in the students of combat sports. Since they can see the effectiveness of their technique every time they train, combat athletes never really worry about the effectiveness of their technique. They can be sure that if they can get it to work against a well conditioned, experienced, resisting opponent in live sparring in the gym, it will certainly work against an inexperienced opponent in the street. "

-John Danaher