jumprope or running

[TjD]

which would be better for conditioning?

[rubthebuddha]

i'd say running, because running uses more of the bigger muscles in the thighs than jumping rope. the bigger the muscle, the more fuel it will use. also, the energy used in propelling forward seems, at least for me, more difficult than just jumping and such.

if you want both, add running backward to your general run. toss in a hundred meters of backward goodness every mile and you'll feel a difference. :)

[IronFist]

Dude, I totally saw this chick running backwards around campus the other day. Other people were kind of laughing at her, but I figured there was probably a reason she was doing it.

But still, it's kind of funny to watch someone trying to look over their shoulder so they can see where they're going when they're running backward :)

IronFist

[TjD]

Originally posted by rubthebuddha
i'd say running, because running uses more of the bigger muscles in the thighs than jumping rope. the bigger the muscle, the more fuel it will use. also, the energy used in propelling forward seems, at least for me, more difficult than just jumping and such.

if you want both, add running backward to your general run. toss in a hundred meters of backward goodness every mile and you'll feel a difference. :)

well, i already do squats so i don't really want to interfere with that. i'm thinking running everyday could tire them out for strength gaining, or am i totally off with that thinking?

i also do wing chun's knife form... over, and over, and over...and over :D i like doing that in that it definately trains endurance, while training footwork, AND once i get real tired i try and make sure i don't get sloppy. tired and sloppy are the last things i want to be in a match :)

i've been talking with my sifu and have decided to start competing around here to really test my stuff out; so i figure i really need the endurance :D

so anyways, with doing those things; would jumping rope or running be better?

[rubthebuddha]

i still say running. it can be trained for all sorts of things, such as explosive speed, footwork, long-distance endurance, and self defense.

yes, i did say self defense. what happens on the day you're attacked by a few turds (figuratively, ironfist and red5, figuratively) and you don't have your double knives handy (they just won't fit in a fanny pack). do you try to be the real-life equivalent of a movie hero and bash all three miscreants, or are you smArt (http://www.angelfire.com/tv2/Homer/Sounds/smart.wav) enough to realize that the real-life attempt at movie-fu is called idiocy, and you instead rely upon your good running skills to save your bacon?

besides, if done right, a decent amount of running won't affect your squats, nor will it really influence your bart cham dao, but your lungs, your legs and your general health will appreciate it. so will your wallet, which would rather remain in your pocket than in some criminal's.

[TjD]

Originally posted by rubthebuddha
so will your wallet, which would rather remain in your pocket than in some criminal's.

unless they shoot me in the back while im running away :D

[Souljah]

why not both jumping rope and running?

[Ford Prefect]

They both have their place and work your energy systems in different yet similar ways. It's always good to mix up work, so I say do both. Neither is better unless you have specific running related goals or you are entering the national double duch competition.

[rubthebuddha]

ford = national double-dutch champion, light heavyweight division, 1993-1998.








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[SevenStar]

my mind says do both, but my body says "you hate running, don't do it!" so I jump more than I run. I do try and force myself to run though.

[Ford Prefect]

Make fun of me if you will, but double dutch is **** hard!

[SevenStar]

I attribute most of my leg strength to double dutch

[rubthebuddha]

Make fun of me if you will, but double dutch is **** hard! so is synchronized swimming, but i pick on that even more. but, i guess if it's good for you and sevenstar, maybe i should give it a whirl.

[fa_jing]

Jumprope is better for martial arts. Easier on your joints, and gives you great footwork and timing. The normal way emphasizes calves more, however if you do the gliding the feet back and forth it becomes more of a lunge. You will tire out your thighs and scream for mercy quickly if you do enough of these "jumping lunges." I challenge anyone here to glide their feet back and forth with two feet of space between the back foot's toe and the front foot's heel, and maintain that for 3 minutes. I sure can't, and I jump rope the regular way for 20 minutes, throwing at most 20 reps at a time of the glide feet back and forth pattern, and with usually 12-18 inches between the toe of the back foot and the heel of the front foot.

That said, running has useful variations too, like RTB said. Particularly hill sprints, intervals, etc.

[Suntzu]

running killed my back so I quit… started riding a bike… look up High Octane Cardio on T-Mag… I'm too lazy right now… but good stuff… but I will start doing sprints again… but that long distance stuff is dead…

[rubthebuddha]

suntzu -- it's doubtfull you'll need to run 8 miles to get away from someone, because it's doubtful they'll be in shape to follow you. :p

sprints are just fine. maybe just one day per week of wind sprints would be bueno, as long as you did other cardio workouts as well.

[rubthebuddha]

fa-jing -- can you describe these lunges in a little more detail? me interested. :)

[fa_jing]

Have you ever seen someone glide their feet back and forth while jumping rope? That's what I'm referring to. It's very difficult to get the timing at first, but with practice it's as easy as pie. The back foot touches at the toe, while the front foot ends up on the whole foot, although I think the toe touches first. The key thing to recognize is that when the rope actually passes beneath your feet, it is at the moment that they are together and passing one another. So as the rope comes down in front of you, is when you start the motion of switching your feet. To learn it, start out by jumping off of both feet next to each other, then try sliding back and forth a few inches, then increase the distance up to 12 to 18 inches.

There's got to be a video clip of this out there on the net somewhere.

[rubthebuddha]

okee. i got a little confused on the "glide" thing -- where was the rope going to pass through? :confused:

but it's all good now. shall try tonight. :)

[rubthebuddha]

ok, waited until today. liked 'em, but about all they did is work my calves a little more and make me work a little harder on my rhythm. but they didn't do squat (no pun intended) for my thighs. how far down do you lunge?

[fa_jing]

As far as possible. When you find out exactly how far that is, you will want to back off a bit so that you can last longer.

let me know if that helps.

[rubthebuddha]

think so. i'm gonna have to work on the hops and coordination to be able to go down that far. we shall see, hopefully tonight. :)

[Universal Stance]

Personally, I hate running but it can't be beat in terms of long term endurance especially if you add sprinting to it.

Rope jumping is for timing, stamina, endurance and footwork if you do it like a boxer. It's more high impact. Compare running for 5 mins and jumping for 5 to see what I mean. I also find that it helps you listen to your body better as the more relaxed and concentrated you are the longer you can do it.

For MA I prefer stamina training over endurance.

For those that don't know, generally speaking, stamina is how long your muscles can perform before giving out; endurance is how much you can perform before difficulty in breathing tires you out.

But as other's have said...why not do both.