Has your Sifu ever Kicked out anyone from your Kwoon?

[Starchaser107]

If So why, and did this person protest? was anybody kicked out and reinstated?
Have you ever been kicked from a dojo or kwoon?, have you ever kicked out anybody?
I'd like to hear reasons if so.

[joedoe]

I have never seen my sifu kick someone out but I have seen things become difficult enough for someone to decide it was time to leave.

I have seen my sihing kick someone out before.

[Starchaser107]

Joe Hmmn, Your Sihing Asked someone to leave , and I guess your Sifu didn't have a problem with it. Sounds like the person deserved it.
I've seen people get kicked from dojo's for behavioral reasons, also seen people in the kwoon demoted. Seen people depart ungraciously, and some asked not to return.

[Serpent]

COME ON YOU TWO - LET'S HAVE THE GORY DETAILS!

Ooh, sorry, didn't mean to shout!

[Fen]

Yes! I kicked my Sihing out of my school 2 years ago! Also my Sifu has seen many of his fellow students get kicked out of his school, some you may even know, but it's not my place to say who they are!

As for my X-sihing getting kicked out of my school. I feel that it's between him and I, but I will say I did not like to do it! And I hope that I never have to do it again. And yes, he's welcome to come back providing he follows just a few certain requests that i have of him. It won't ever happen, because of pride, but, he's always welcomed back!

~Jason

[Serpent]

If he's your older brother, why was it up to you to kick him out. And why did he listen?

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Starchaser107
Joe Hmmn, Your Sihing Asked someone to leave , and I guess your Sifu didn't have a problem with it. Sounds like the person deserved it.
I've seen people get kicked from dojo's for behavioral reasons, also seen people in the kwoon demoted. Seen people depart ungraciously, and some asked not to return.

My sihing was given authority to kick out any student he felt was not suitable for the school, so my sifu stood by his decision. In that case it was a badly behaved kid of about 12. He basically would not follow the instructor's directions and was rude to people. He was a big kid and he pushed some of the other kids around and was a danger to them, so he was kicked out.

My sifu has encouraged some tong members to leave the class before. Used them as demo dummies until they decided that they didn't want to learn any more. And when they asked "what if I did this?" He would show them exactly what his reaction would be, and they decided it was best not to screw around with him.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Serpent
If he's your older brother, why was it up to you to kick him out. And why did he listen?

That is a very good question - a junior should never be sent to dismiss his sihing.

[Laughing Cow]

My last Sifu asked 3 people not to return.

She simple talked to them after class and we never saw them, reasons were behaviour and attitude.

Example:
One guy dropped his fan during a form got so upset that he kicked it across the room.

Cheers.

[Fen]

He was my head student not my Sifus! But I did chat with my sifu at the time I did this and he feels the same as I do!

[Serpent]

Oh right! So he's not your sihing then, he's sidai at best, if he trains with your teacher. Sounds like he's actually a student of yours though, so not a brother. Sihing means he's your older brother.

[Shaolin Dude]

I just got kicked out of class last wednesday by my sihing/assistant instructor. Me and him were doing sticky hands, he hit me hard(at the time I think he was doing that on purpose to get back at me from kung fu camp), so I called him a ****, second time he hit me I called him a ****ing ***got. The he kicked me out. I called my sifu and he reinstated me. My sihing just told me to clean the place for a month. And I also got kicked out because I always bring my pocketknife to class.

[Starchaser107]

well it might be inappropriate to give Gory details, but i suppose i can say a bit more without getting too much into it . one case was with a student who got into an altercation with another student at the kwoon, and they started fighting during training, the guy who started the fight was asked to leave, also this person was demoted years ago for secretly teaching kung fu to his friends and even at one point instructing at a karate school without permission.
There have been stories from other schools about how ppl get kicked out because they failed to obey instruction. Also my gf told me about her school and said that her sifu has asked ppl to leave in the past.
I asked her what she thought might happen if the student decides to protest.
I figured it was a decent enough topic to carry to the forum so..tada.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Shaolin Dude
I just got kicked out of class last wednesday by my sihing/assistant instructor. Me and him were doing sticky hands, he hit me hard(at the time I think he was doing that on purpose to get back at me from kung fu camp), so I called him a ****, second time he hit me I called him a ****ing ***got. The he kicked me out. I called my sifu and he reinstated me. My sihing just told me to clean the place for a month. And I also got kicked out because I always bring my pocketknife to class.

Wow. Sounds like fun :D

[Fen]

Originally posted by tao of wushu
Yes! I kicked my Sihing out of my school 2 years ago!


The reason I called him Sihing is because all my students call him that. I didn't mean as he was MY sihing. I should have been clearer. Oh well! If you need me to clarify more, just ask!

[Youngmantis]

Originally posted by joedoe


My sihing was given authority to kick out any student he felt was not suitable for the school, so my sifu stood by his decision. In that case it was a badly behaved kid of about 12. He basically would not follow the instructor's directions and was rude to people. He was a big kid and he pushed some of the other kids around and was a danger to them, so he was kicked out.




Thats kinda weird because some parents put their kids in martial arts for discipline...

[neit]

never seen it but i have heard many stories. personally i think it should be a more common occurance.

[Ravenshaw]

When I first starting teaching kids a little over a year ago, there was one kid who, though not a bully, played too rough with the others and lost his temper quickly. He was only maybe seven or so. At school, he got mad at a girl for some reason and punched her in the throat. So the head kids' instructor refused to allow him.

[Oso]

I used to teach a private class on Sunday's in my Sifu's school.

One night a guy came in who had started taking classes about 2 months prior. He had some experience in some other art. I had worked with him in my role as Sihing so I knew him.

Anyway, he was obviously high as a kite and started jumping on the floor and trying to interact with my students and after a couple of times of asking him to sit down I was forcibly moving him to the door and my sifu came in as he was getting tossed so he got to see the guys condition and didn't let him back in the school.

At a different time he asked a fairly new instructor to leave after repeated abuses by the new instructor on other students. Somehow this guy got it in his head that you needed to immediately start wailing on students to test their mettle. Both my Sifu and I talked to him on several occasions but he didn't change his attitude or his practices, so he left. That was a shame because he was a good martial artist but not a good teacher.

[Ford Prefect]

My sifu never kicked out any students, but we were located by a string of popular night clubs, so many drunk fools would stop by and challenge us. My sifu would always oblige as long they would sign a waiver. Usually just the action of signing the waiver would disuade the person, and he'd leave with some stupid comment to save face.

Every once in a while though, he'd sign the waiver and we'd know we were in for a treat. The most memorable time is when this big bodybuilder guy came in. He was talking about boxing and wrestling being better than any martial art and said he'd prove it. I'm sure alchohol had something to do with this, but this guy was HUGE!

Anyway, he kept attacking my sifu and my sifu evaded with nothing but light parries and transitioning stances like it was natural to move that way. They guy got frusterated and said something to the tune of "are you going to run or fight?" My sifu obliged and locked up this guys wrist AND elbow. At this point, the guy almost started to cry and was screaming "Don't hurt me! Don't hurt me!"

My sifu just escorted him to the door still locked up and gave him a gentle shove through it. The guy didn't even look back, he just took off. It was great and a destement to real Kung Fu.

BTW, this whole story was fake. It's a slow day at work, so I wanted to ahve some fun.

[apoweyn]

I can remember a couple of cases, yeah. One guy, Ted, used to come to our taekwondo classes drunk. And then loose control in sparring. Got to the point that I was the only person in class willing to spar with him. And that was only because pride got the better of fear. He was relatively big. (I was tall, but built like a stop sign.)

The other one was me. And I wasn't precisely kicked out. I was stripped of rank temporarily. For signing my own attendance card. (We had a card that we had to get signed by the instructor each class, to show we had enough classes to test for the next belt.) I had signed my own card, because I kept forgetting to bring it to class with me.

Now, I was the assistant instructor. So I was frequently asked to sign everyone's card when the instructor wasn't available to do so (more often than not). But, in truth, I knew that it was "cheating" to sign my own. And I did it anyway.

So the instructor stripped me of my rank, sent me back into the class, and I had to attend class without my belt for... a few months, if memory serves. At the time, it was pretty traumatic. Not only had I been the assistant instructor (too young for the job, in retrospect), but that teacher was the one for whom I'd had the most respect in all my years there. So to get punished by him, in particular, was rough.

Of course, that was about 15 years ago now. At the time, it was dreadful. Now, it's just "character building." :)


Stuart B.

[quiet man]

LOL Ford! (great story though) :D

My sifu never kicked anybody out (in the strict sense of the word). However, I've seen many people leave by themselves.

People who stay in the kwoon, stay because they want to learn WC and are generally well-behaved. Nobody would even dream about coming to the class intoxicated, or being rude to sifu.

We don't have any kids in my group (they have their own group).

[MasterKiller]

My Sifu dismisses students anytime he feels they compromise the training habits of others.

For example, he dismissed an older Tai Chi student who offered to pay another younger student for sexual favors.

He dismissed a teenager last year because he smelled like pot when he came to class.

Basically, he doesn't run the school for money, so if he thinks you are wasting his or the assistant instructors' time, he'll ask you to leave.

[Shaolin-Do]

"He dismissed a teenager last year because he smelled like pot when he came to class."

Elementary. Stinkin like it, red eyes, talkin about your munchies... That all died out in 9th grade.
:D
Edit : Ive cut down my herb smoking significantly, pretty much only post shower smoking these days. (post training post shower)
Unless its saturday or sunday... :D

[Radhnoti]

Yes, we've had a few situations where my instructor has "suggested" that students not return.
One was a guy with a pretty bad attitude...and it seemed like the more he picked up the worse his attitude got.

We currently have a situation in my kwoon where sifu has told a pretty high ranking student (I would have considered him the #2 man) that he probably should attend classes in another town/school. But, the guy was there last night...so a more forceful statement might be necessary.

[Shaolin-Do]

"student (I would have considered him the #2 man) that he probably should attend classes in another town/school. "

Why was this?

[shaolinboxer]

Before I began training at the school I'm at now they had a woman claiming to be the ex wife of Steven Segal (I'm not kidding). The problem was she actually had no experience and she was very violent when practicing. After injuring several students she was asked to leave.

[Golden Arms]

Sifu and my sihings have kicked people out..but usually they handle it this way: In our school, if you dont get along with someone or it gets around that you dont get along, you will find yourself paired up in a back room for 'sparring' until you come out friends, or at least with an understanding of who is better...Works well, both as a deterrent and a problem solver.

[Shaolin-Do]

Sounds like it works well :)
Too bad more school dont do that... but someone could easily get hurt unless it was properly moderated.

[Golden Arms]

Most of us get hurt at some point, but you are all under a waiver and understanding that while you are there you are there to train and learn, and no one is liable. But if someone started bullying or something, one of the senior guys would then extract their wrath back upon them..its sort of checks and balances..and as its commonly said at my school "This aint ballet practice, dont look surprised that you just got hit"

[Shaolin-Do]

Most the time people get hurt was because of their own ignorance anyways.
:eek:
:)

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Youngmantis



Thats kinda weird because some parents put their kids in martial arts for discipline...

That is assuming you have the parent's support, which we didn't (they did not agree with our requirement for discipline) so there was no alternative. You know the type of parent - their kid can do no wrong ;)