"borrowed" concepts

[Ikken Hisatsu]

just wondering what, if any, attacks you have seen in say a video game or movie that you have utilised yourself. I ask because I have learnt a couple of nice little combos from tekken and laws double dragon kick (anyone who has played it will know what I mean) that I occasionaly throw in. gets a few raised eyebrows, but thats usually because it slips their guard and is something they haven't seen often. our instructor encourages it to a degree (obviously trying certain things is dangerous) because the more varied your attacks the more it keeps the opponent guessing.

so yeah. can anyone here do Hwoarangs bird hunter kick :D

oh and if anyone does know any good moves/combinations feel free to share

[David Jamieson]

well, this i know.

video game martial arts are produced using a filming technique called motion capture or "mo-cap".

the people who do the acting in the mo-cap are actual martial artists.

there is a caveat to this though.

some of the digitization alters the moves to the level of "outrageous" lol, to be sure.

people don't "fly" for instance, we jump.

in the end, you are better off learning from real human examples. but not to take away from video game fun :D There are people after all who have 0 access to good martial arts instruction so good fro them in getting it where they can.

cheers

[Chang Style Novice]

I've based my entire fighting technique on a combo from the videogame "tetris."

[Xdr4g0nx]

Pong fu
the oldest know game style

[chen zhen]

I learned all my moves from Lara Croft

[Felipe Bido]

I learned my Xinyi Liuhe from Gen Fu, the old dude of Dead Alive 2.

[cho]

BTW, california Wushu guy Philip Wong (cover of KF Mag Oct '00) did all the mo-cap for Lei Wulong.

Hell, I use all of Ein and Jann Lee's combos from DoA.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

yeah from what I know a lot of the tekken characters are based on real people (Eddy, Lei, Ganryu, Law,- those are just the ones I know for sure)

Didn't realise they used mo cap for them though. except for the first MK games where they just videotaped the moves and put them in a game o_O

And I live in a town of 30 000- not a lot of martial artists here, let alone good ones. our sifu does teach us a variety of combos but he is a bit more flexible than me so they don't always work :(

[Vapour]

The best game to base your martial arts move is "Virtua Fighter" series, IMO.

[chen zhen]

nerds, all of you.

:cool:

[Chang Style Novice]

Truth be told, I find videogame martial techniques extremely modernized and watered down. I've recently begun studying in the ancient mode with methods unadulturated by wimpy modern concessions to our short-attention span, MTV-ized society.

You will tremble before my cribbage-chuan, whist fist, and pinochle pole.

[neigung]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
pinochle pole.

That sounds incredibly dirty, but it's no comparison to my Husker Du Halberd form.

[CaptinPickAxe]

Chen, your a funny little norweigen.

I think you all should base your fighting styles on the grandmaster of video games. "Billy Hatcher and the Giant Egg" yessir, you'll learn a thing or two about fighting rolling around a huge ass egg...i guess.

[chen zhen]

I wont tolerate being called a norwegian.
that provoces me very much..:p

[Chang Style Novice]

I've never played Husker Du the game, but I'm a long-time devotee of Husker Du the punk band from Minneapolis. (http://members.tripod.com/~rastirling/husker.html)

Allow me to quote some lyrics:

"New day RI-sing...
New day RI-sing...
New day rising...
New day ri...SAAAAAAY-YAAAAAAAAAANG!

New day rising!
New day rising!
New day rising!
New day rising!
New day rising!
New day ri...SAAAAAAY-YAAAAAAAAAANG!"

I bet you can't guess the name of that song. Three tries, and the first two don't count.

[neigung]

My faves are "the terms of psychic warfare", "ice cold ice" and all of the metal circus album.
Sugar's copper blue and beaster are **** good too.

[neigung]

dam n

[Chang Style Novice]

And to keep it (very vaguely) on topic, didja know Bob Mould wrote storylines for WWF for a while?

[neigung]

He did???
I had no idea. That's a bizarre bit of trivia.
I think he wrote the opening music to The Daily Show (back in the day with Craig Kilborn), but I'm not sure if I'm remembering that correctly.
Also, the only time I don't like Husker Du is when Grant Hart is singing lead. He's a good back up vocalist, but as lead it's too much.
What shuai chiao technique have you been working on lately?

[Chang Style Novice]

It IS a little odd, until you consider that Bob is ummm... is the kind of guy who really enjoys observing nearly naked men grabbing each other, if you get my drift (relisten to "Pink Turns to Blue" if you don't.)

And yeah, the Daily Show theme is his as well.

As for what I'm up to in training these days - it's just trying to catch up from months of lazy ass neglect. Shifu's started doing throw combos, which is all new to me. The one that I liked best started with a shoulder throw and ended with a leg sieze/shoulder strike. Can't remember the other transitional steps. Like I say, my skills are all rust right now.

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
I've never played Husker Du the game, but I'm a long-time devotee of Husker Du the punk band from Minneapolis. (http://members.tripod.com/~rastirling/husker.html)

Allow me to quote some lyrics:

"New day RI-sing...
New day RI-sing...
New day rising...
New day ri...SAAAAAAY-YAAAAAAAAAANG!

New day rising!
New day rising!
New day rising!
New day rising!
New day rising!
New day ri...SAAAAAAY-YAAAAAAAAAANG!"

I bet you can't guess the name of that song. Three tries, and the first two don't count.

SAAAAAAY-YAAAAAAAAAANG?

:D

[SevenStar]

Originally posted by Vapour
The best game to base your martial arts move is "Virtua Fighter" series, IMO.

I LOVE the virtua fighter series. I've been playing it since the original came out.

Most of us probably tried combos from a game when we were younger. When I was like 14, I tried to use combos that Guy from "Final Fight" would use. I had taught myself one of Lion's (from the VF series) throws.


VF (IMO) has the most real looking fighting in a game.

[Xebsball]

most agreed and supported

[Chang Style Novice]

7* - you're very close.;)

And I like VF a lot, too. I find fireballs and flying moves and all that cr@p incredibly silly and corny. Plus, a lot of games have such poor animation you can't even tell what the moves are supposed to be.

[CrippledAvenger]

Originally posted by neigung

What shuai chiao technique have you been working on lately?

Neck-Surround
13 Naughty Boys
Backwards Kicking
Iron Broom.

You? :D

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

LMAO, at this threat.

Title says "borrowed" concepts, yet everybody is talking about copying "techniques" from a stupid Video-game designed to amuse a few teens who know NOTHING about MA.
:D

Just as good as the guys that talk about persons X fighting ability because they have seen a few pics or him "show fighting" in a movie.
Or evaluating a style based on a story or 1 persons ability.

Guess there are more serious hardcore MA on here than I expected. ;)

[Chang Style Novice]

To be fair, the idea of training based on videogames was viciously mocked before the thread turned into the discussion of a gay punk rock songwriter's peculiar career.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
To be fair, the idea of training based on videogames was viciously mocked before the thread turned into the discussion of a gay punk rock songwriter's peculiar career.

Can't comment on the gay punk rock songwriter.

Most of the bands and singers that you guys talk about are often totally unknown outside your area.

Said that I neither listen to hip-hop, the new rap and similar music.

Still stuck in the 70's, 80's and partly 90's, popular music for me got boring when techno became commercialised.
:D

[SevenStar]

Another one I like is Soul Edge (Calibur)

Anyone remember yi ar kung fu?

Classic.

[Ikken Hisatsu]

mmm.... I wouldn't say I base my training on a video game, just that it can be useful for stealing combinations from. Obviously no one can do most of the things in tekken (even bruce lee couldn't do those cartwheel kicks) but little ones like Hwoarangs home surgery (2 quick punches, low roundhouse to high roundhouse without putting the leg down) are applicable.

Oh and I played VF1 on my computer when it first came out. very cool. I preferred it over tekken because of the realistic fighting, but I never seem to be able to find a copy of it anywhere :(

side note- I don't listen to new music anymore either. radio is either playing a cd or on classical hits, unfortunately none of my friends seem to share my musical taste :(

[SevenStar]

check ebay and half.com

[Serpent]

I was thinking of incorporating some moves from Croc: Legend Of The Gobbos into my repertoire. I need to grow a big ass scaly tail first though.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Bad news for the PS2 fans.

Looks like the PS2 will be outdated by the end of the Year when the PSX starts to hit the market.

[Serpent]

So what's the PSX then?

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Originally posted by Serpent
So what's the PSX then?

The replacement for the outdated PS2.

The PSX sports a 120GB hard drive and a built-in Ethernet adapter for networking and online gaming functions. However, the most shocking upgrades in this redesign have got to be the built-in TV/broadcast satellite tuner and DVD recorder! With the 120GB hard drive and additional support for Sony's Memory Stick, PS2 memory cards are totally obsolete with the new PSX. With the DVD burning, TV tuner and Ethernet capabilities, the new PSX is a media powerhouse

Apparently set for the low price of about $400.

[Serpent]

Interesting. One day the home media will all be in one package. What we need is a single box that has:

PC
Games Console
DVD (watch and burn)
CD (play and burn)
TV, including cable decoder for FoxTel, etc.
Stereo
Coffee Maker
etc.

And we need it all for $99.99 (Australian).

That's my dream.

[joedoe]

Still reckon you might as well buy a good PC.

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

My Setup at home has most of those functions, excl. the coffee maker & Game console(Yuuuck).
;)

Cable decoder is plugged into the MPEG Decoder/Recorder.
Video/DVD Recorder is also hooked up.
I can transfer/record from/to any media device in my Household.
Got all my CD's, Vinyls, etc already as MP3 files, to be stored on MD's.
MD walkman plugs into PC for song transfer, Long play mode is supported.

CD's are sooo yesterday. :D

The $99.99 tag might be a bit tough come to think of it.

[joedoe]

Originally posted by Serpent
Interesting. One day the home media will all be in one package. What we need is a single box that has:

PC
Games Console
DVD (watch and burn)
CD (play and burn)
TV, including cable decoder for FoxTel, etc.
Stereo
Coffee Maker
etc.

And we need it all for $99.99 (Australian).

That's my dream.

Your PC can already do most of that. ;) In fact, you can probably hook up your PC to your coffee maker so that you get the specific type of coffee you want too :D

[jon]

The PSX sports a 120GB hard drive and a built-in Ethernet adapter for networking and online gaming functions. However, the most shocking upgrades in this redesign have got to be the built-in TV/broadcast satellite tuner and DVD recorder! With the 120GB hard drive and additional support for Sony's Memory Stick, PS2 memory cards are totally obsolete with the new PSX. With the DVD burning, TV tuner and Ethernet capabilities, the new PSX is a media powerhouse

* Just for a start, the original playstation machine is often nicknamed a PSX so i really hope they dont use that name for there new machine as it will just cause confusion.

Secondly if thats the specs on the new machine then honestly im *really* dissapointed and its quite obvious that Sony are trying to market there machine based on a family entertainment platform instead of as a pure games machine... again and it didnt work before.

Technicaly speeaking (im not just making this up i used to work in the games industry) the XBOX is nearly twise the raw power of the Playstation 2 and as is also much easyer to program and port for. To top this off it comes with a built in hard disk plus networking and game support for 5.1 Dolby digital.

If Sony want to have any hope of compeating then had want to think about actualy upgrading the raw power of there machine and its actual hardware capabilitys instead of simply adding in features which have already become standard for other consoles.
For a start they *need* to get rid of the horrible aliasing problems which have plauged the machine since its release. They also had darn well want to think about actualy adding in a lot more ram and caching capablititys. As it stands the PS2 lags badly behind other consoles in nearly ever way possible. Heck even Nintendo's Gamecube is technicaly far supperior to the PS2. Yet for all this the only thing they can think of to sell up there new console is features which have been done before and a darn DVD burner.

I cant help but feel kind of insulted that Sony think so little of its customers that they can just add in a few more sorry reasons to pass it off as a 'home entertainment unit' and pretend its the next big thing. It would honestly be nice if they just addmitted that the PS2 was a massive stuff up to begin with and simply fixed the mryiad of problems that are associated with the machine and i havent even begun to touch on the design flaws and technical problems ( we used to get back about 1 in every 10 we sold due it being faulty within the first week).

Yeah take that sony, make me sell your crappy products.


Ok rant over... breath :D

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Jon.

They are all being turned to "home entertainment units".
Microsoft is doing similar stuff with the next Xbox.

It is the new trend, everythting is going digital and the functions will be combined.

Give it another 5-10yrs and I doubt you will notice the diff between a PC, VCR, Fax or TV.

No more money left in selling solely a game-console, TV or PC.

There was a time when some games were exclusive to PC or Game consoles, not anymore.

FWIW, PSX is the official name.
Most probably stands for "PS Experience" or similar.

[jon]

T'ai Ji Monkey

lol i always wanted to have a console hardware debate on a martial arts board. Its just so darn off topic it has to be on KFO:D


They are all being turned to "home entertainment units".
* I know and its exactly this which i hate. Not many people seem to realise the obvious truth which is that no 200 doller console is ever going to compeate with a 700 doller stand alone dvd player. The whole idea of mixing the console with other mediums like dvd serves one purpose and one purpose only. It helps kids to convince there parents that what they are purchasing is more than just a toy.
Sony (and other consoles) impliment such things becouse it simply adds to the feature list. Most people already own standalone dvd players anyway and no console is *ever* going to compete with them becouse if they did they base price would shoot though the roof.
I will contend happily all day long that consoles are much better served when they stick to what there good at. I can understand them playing DVD's in some ways (for convience) but i dont understand them spending money on things like dvd burning when it could simply be spent on improving the hardware.


There was a time when some games were exclusive to PC or Game consoles, not anymore
* Ummm hello :D
Flight Sims, Real Time Stratergy, complex adventure games.
There is actualy millions of games which cant be ported over.
The main things consoles lack is RAM which vastly limits there potencial as games machines compared to the pc.

Dont get me wrong here the pc market is dying becouse so many of the games *can* be played on modern consoles. Still there is also a vast number that cant be ported over due to technical limitations. PC gaming has and always will be the realm of adults really (all of our old pc regulars where over 40) as realisticaly they are the only ones who can afford to keep up with the hardware( young people do play as well - on there parents pc when there parents will buy them a game). As a result PC games tend to be much more technical and often simply more indepth, there is also the whole simulation market which consoles dont have the power to proparly replicate.


Anyway its always fun arguing about consoles and hardware and what not. I used to do it at work and really annoy the customers :D

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Jon.

I think it has more to do with pricing than actually porting the games.
Porting could be done cheaply enough in Korea or China.

Giving a Console the same power as a PC will result in the same cost, plus it will be harder to sell an upgrade console.
Yes, PC will always be the big boy when it comes to serious gaming and consoles, atleast for the forseeable future.

I agree that DVD burning is a waste in a console, heck I rather buy a Sony Cocoon and record my movies on there (110hrs storage babee). :D

When it comes to selling consoles these days they need to make them attractive to the adults, more than the gaming kids.

PS2 was $180 PSX should retail at around $400, now that is some serious bucks to spend.

Anyhuh, I will stick to PC-Games for now.

[neigung]

Techniques I've been working on:
a knee combination into chopping
leading arm marching kick
elbow locking
neck surrounding
knee seizing
pulling
hip throw

-
I forgot Bob Mould was gay. But now that you remind me, it does figure.

[FatherDog]

Originally posted by jon
If Sony want to have any hope of compeating then had want to think about actualy upgrading the raw power of there machine and its actual hardware capabilitys instead of simply adding in features which have already become standard for other consoles.

I think Sony's main 'hope of competing' comes from the fact that they make $100 every time they sell a PS2, whereas Microsoft and Nintendo break even or take a loss on sales of the X-box and Gamecube, making up revenue on the sale of games for same.

[Chang Style Novice]

Taijimonkey -

Getting back to Bob Mould and Husker Du for a minute, their heyday was in the mid-eighties. You just aren't and never were punk as fu(k enough to hang with it.:D The fact that he's gay is irrelevant to the fact that his Gibson Flying V would make your ears bleed, beg for mercy, and then tap out.

While Husker Du was making hardcore kids slam dance and pogo, you were doubtless addicted to MTV and listening to Nu Shooz and NKOTB.

OWNED!

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

MTV and listening to Nu Shooz and NKOTB.

Who are those?? Sorry, I never saw MTV until maybe 5yrs ago.
Even would we have had access to MTV it would have been different to the US MTV, more adjusted to local tastes.

I spend my youth watching Sky channel.
:D

Like I said the names you mention draw total blanks for me.
I used to hang with quiet a few punks but all they listened to were british bands, they too were british.

Personally, I don't career if any musician is gay/whatever if I like his/their music that's all that matters.

Freddy Mercury still did excellent music, as did Debborah Harry regardless of her previous profession.

But I agree with you I never was that heavy into punk.

[neigung]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice

listening to Nu Shooz and NKOTB.


Nu Shooz.

LMAO

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Yikes.

Looks like the people that want a Sony PSX will have to dig deep into their wallets for one.

Sony PSX basic for $719 (http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story&cid=569&ncid=738&e=1&u=/nm/20031007/tc_nm/tech_sony_psx_dc)

Looks like with the PS2 that the gaming capabilities are the least selling point.
:(

[joedoe]

That is why I wouldn't buy one here. They retailed for about 600 Pacific Pesos when they were released here, and only dropped in price when the Xbox gave it some pricing competition. Personally, I would pay the extra couple of hundred bucks and get myself a good PC instead.

[CrippledAvenger]

The Replacements > Husker Du

Don't get me wrong, I love Husker Du and Mr. Mould's solo stuff, but...

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

joedoe.

I agree with you, rather spend the same bucks on upgrading the ol' PC.

[Chang Style Novice]

Crippled Avenger - on matters such as this, reasonable men can disagree.

(pops "Let it Be" into headphones)

[Chang Style Novice]

T J Monkey - sorry to accuse you (however tacitly) of ****phobia. There IS a lot of it around here. Anyway, I don't really think my taste in music makes me superior to anyone, except in terms of my taste in music.:D

Also, I assumed you were born and raised american, since the majority of this board is. Turns out I was wrong, but you didn't help matters by saying "wouldn't you like to know" instead of for example "Western Pacific Rim" in your location field, nah mean?

[T'ai Ji Monkey]

Originally posted by Chang Style Novice
T J Monkey - sorry to accuse you (however tacitly) of ****phobia. There IS a lot of it around here. Anyway, I don't really think my taste in music makes me superior to anyone, except in terms of my taste in music.:D


No problem. Tastes vary, life would be worrying if everybody enjoyed the same thing.



Also, I assumed you were born and raised american, since the majority of this board is. Turns out I was wrong, but you didn't help matters by saying "wouldn't you like to know" instead of for example "Western Pacific Rim" in your location field, nah mean?

The resaon for this is because my lcoation does change and I like to keep private information private.

Where I grew up we are very protective of private information and our freedoms.
Give too much info out and you loose freedom.
;)

[Chang Style Novice]

I gotcha - it didn't take much reading between the lines to figure that out. Still, it's possible to be both vague and somewhat informative. As in "Asian Pacific Rim."

[CrippledAvenger]

Indeed, Chang. Both were excellent bands.

[Chang Style Novice]

So, where do you stand on X vis-a-vis The Minutemen? For me, that's a much tougher call, and my opinion will change back and forth with some regularity.

[CrippledAvenger]

Well, it depends. There's days when I love X, but there's others where Exene Cervenka's voice just peels paint off the walls of my skull. I agree that they were a genius band, (Billy Zoom is a hero of mine), but sometimes, I just want that d@mned woman to shut up. ;) The Replacments are much more consistent in my ability to listen to them.

But really this question is like asking which was better, The MC5 or the Stooges. The correct answer is, of course, if you're not listening to both, you need to be smacked.

[Chang Style Novice]

True. But it's still more interesting and productive that questioning whether Bomberman could really beat Dhalsim.:D

That said, I like Exene's voice. And Gang of Four would totally choke out The Clash.