View Full Version : realists traditionalists fakes and Sifu Ross, are there any deadly techniques ?

07-03-2000, 10:52 AM
this is just for sifu ross and anyone else who wishes to discuss lethal techniques if they exist and their effectiveness.
Sifu Ross plz refer to the post mike tyson cant box, I want you to tell me you opinions on this.

07-03-2000, 11:03 AM
I've posted quite extensive responses on this on several threads here. GO READ THEM. If you can't understand what I am saying, go to a reading comprehension class, really.

How many times have you used your so called deadly techniques? How many times have you done your damage to the glands under the arm? How many times have you killed with your leopard fist to the throat? How many times have you used your claw to cripple?

YOu THINK these things work but the truth is you don't know. Because you have never done them.

If you rely on something you don't know will work, you are in for problems my friend. And if you can't block a hook it isnt' going to matter anyway!

If you think I am a fake, you are dillusional

07-03-2000, 12:20 PM
To mr ross, other than your own temporary suspention of reality, how do you know you skill are anything to measure up with or against?
Unlike others, I have seen you perform and all I can say is that your typing and grammer skills far outweigh any and all of your martial skills.

[This message has been edited by Gojira (edited 07-04-2000).]

07-03-2000, 12:47 PM
Wong - I'll reply to your post:

I have read in a few recent posts numerous people have made statements like "people who believe you can apply kf are idiots"...

I can't find these quotes of yours anyway. Where is it that people are saying these things?

your level is so low all you can do is say he cant do it either.

That's a valid criticism. But I believe what is being called for is examples of how you can "do it." Ie. No one's saying you can't do it, they're saying - ok, give me an example of when you did.

If you look at the effort needed to apply the arm bar you could just as easily strike under the armit

That's a good point too, and someting I've always wondered about. I personally would strike someone in the armpit rather than armbar them, but that's just because that's what I've proven to work for me. Looking at it from someone else's viewpoint - they're more comfortable doing an armbar, and they've certainly proven it works for them. So what's the difference? Different strokes for different folks.

if you can bend low and apply this i think you could easily apply a tiger claw to peoples ballss and twist.

I have to disagree with you there. Having been in that position a number of times, I can contest that it's often alot easier and alot more natural to go for a low grab/takedown. Although frankly, I would avoid being in that position at all costs, regardless of where I go from there.

i think you could apply a pak sao and gouge to the eye i mean you got two eyes 1 nose and i think its self explanatory.

On the other hand, the eyes are further up, further back, surrounded by solid bone, and alot more elastic than people think. An awkward blow (and let's face it - in a real fight, things are rarely perfect) that would still break someone's nose (and stun an ill-prepared fighter - which most people are) wouldn't even scratch the eyes.

And to continue to play devil's advocate - I can think of hundreds of situations where I would break someone's nose, but not very many when I would try to blind someone.

You guys are ****ed in the head is all i can say . Soooorrry

This is what really made me want to reply to your post.

No wait, let me rephrase that. That is what really made me NOT want to reply to your post - because I don't want to get dragged into one of the all-too-common ****ing contests around here.

This is a discussion board, so by all means let's discuss things and even disagree with one another.

But how does the need to post offensive and derogatory remarks come about?

No one has any need to defend themselves here - the results of verbal debates here are not going to change the history of your tradition or life.

If the discussion changes from being a constructive exchange of opinions to one of insults - simply do not reply.

I can't believe this even has to be said to a group of people I assume are adults and are supposed to be schooled in self-discipline.

But frankly, it's getting hard to read the good posts with all the nonsense that's been going on. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Please people, post your questions. Post your answers. Post critique. Post your opinions and experience. If you feel like attacking someone personally, if you are getting angry or taking someone else's comments personally, just log off and train for a while. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think I speak for everyone when I say I have alot more respect for the person who takes a verbal beating here and simply doesn't reply.

Remember, the taller a tree grows, the lower it has to bow.


07-03-2000, 01:58 PM
Sifu Ross,

Like I asked before. Why are you wasting your time here with these idiots?
Not everyone here mind you, just the horde of numbskulls who insist that everyone is fake unless approved by them. What gaul.
I've had a chance to train with his boxing brother for a little while. They are by no means fake. They know their kung fu. But, in the end it matters little. The mob will always continue to speak its absurdities.
All one can do is sit back and laugh.

07-03-2000, 02:50 PM
Ah, now who's the kiss-up?

I had to put a smiley with a winky or I knew you'd get upset. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

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07-03-2000, 02:59 PM
Ha Ha very funny,

But its fact, I did train with Ventura. I'm not just speculating or just agreeing to a post. These guys know what they know.

People have alot of nerve, and are quick with the judgement. Like the whole wing lam issue, people make all kinds of assumptions without ever meeting the man. And yes, I've had seminar with him.

07-03-2000, 03:01 PM
I was even born in the year of the monkey. As a rule we don't get upset. We just get even REALLY well. /infopop/emoticons/icon_wink.gif

Water Dragon
07-03-2000, 06:53 PM
The most lethal techniques are good hard throws, especially on concrete.

Although there are many styles, they all depend on the strong beating the weak and the slow falling to the quick. These are not related to the power that must be learned -- Taiji Classics

07-03-2000, 07:03 PM
braden excellent post, well said I have to agree that i did not know about the takedown vs groin twist that it is easier to take down but i will take your word for it and no i wouldnt wanna be down there either /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

I think water dragon also has a good point,
which was making me think about break falls. I figured if they say like they do that jujitsu was the ancient japanese art of the samurai and part of the unarmed combat was throws i thought when could you really imagine a samurai getting thrown or breakfalling I think it was more for use if they fell of their horse ... any takes ?

07-03-2000, 07:35 PM
Lethal Techniques? Just about every offensive move in Kung Fu is lethal, it just depends on how well you execute them. A sweep can cause someone to land directly on their coccyx, pinching the spinal cord and paralyzing them.

"How many times have you done your damage to the glands under the arm?"

Punching the nerve or glands at the joint of the arm is actually not lethal, and at the most it will hurt some. All it does is slow or weaken your punches so they are not as forceful, :-)

Underaged Drunken Monkey

Water Dragon
07-03-2000, 08:24 PM
If you've ever done any hard sparring with people who like to throw, you probably already know how many throws end up not so picture perfect. I think breakfalls would be really good in that type of situation.

If some one gets a really good throw on you though, yeah it aint doin' ya no good.

07-03-2000, 08:30 PM
The deadly hook punch heh! If you are so fearful of boxing and believe in your kickboxing then why do you claim lineage diciple and sole inheritorship to an art that is supposedly way beyond that and deadly. Or is the art you teach only a cover for kickboxing and wrestling. You boys speak from such experience of course from all your amature and professional boxing and kickboxing matches you've had. Lets not forget the death matches. I know it's hard for us to fully understand the toughness of you long Island bruisers. Stop dictating to others whats deadly or not but of course I could be wrong and you do know how deadly you are don't you.

07-03-2000, 09:20 PM
A faceless, nameless internet personality talking badly about me, OH I AM HURT


If you have any questions about my skill, you are in NY (the only part of your profile filled out!) and can come on down.

To the rest, if you truly believe you are deadly and can use all these deadly skills then whatever I say should have no effect upon you. Your excitement and resentment demonstrate your own insecurities about whether your techniques will actually work.

07-03-2000, 09:26 PM
There are no deadly techniques, just deadly people.

07-04-2000, 05:02 AM
DEADLY techs??? I heard of many...but like SIFU ROSS says unless you spar with it competently how do you know it works??? Did you have a willing victim??? Most people die in fights from having the double impact...they get hit...they then hit the ground...the impact to the head from the fist to the concrete...brain swelling...die...
Regarding strikes to the eye and throat...yes they hurt...and against a very very poor cardio out of shape 12 year old and under it may KILL!!!

07-04-2000, 05:41 AM
" A faceless, nameless entity" Hmmmmmm that was amazing you have just put a name to your technique. Listen my boy and listen good, I reiterate, I have seen you perform and all I have to say is the YOU ABSOLUTELY SUCK!!
You strut around here like the cock on the walk thinking that your are the best at what you do, and on one level you are, you write the longest and most inane posts I have ever seen. When you perform that is when most people decide to go to the bathroom or have a hotdog. I have been there Finster (babyface get it huh LOL) I have seen you. Real good martial technique......


That is why I am digusted with tourneys today, no talented kickboxers fighting and doing forms that look like ****. No flavor in their technique. I have seen so call Wing Chun stylist abandon their studies to fight like girls, pawing and kicking at each other.
You sir (but sounds like cur) are no better. You brag about having 200 student/fighters and all this and that yet you find the time to post these bore session on the net. (hey if you really type that fast I could use a desk person to take reservations)
Come on man please get over it and yourself I know your history and past embarrasments on this very board and if you do not recall none of this (selective memory) then I'm sure others will recall them.
As for me, go down to your place...for what so that when I come and disgrace you in your own school you can run and change the story around. Naw I have better things, like training, to do.
Sit down and look within, look back on all the thing you have done to *ahem* get where you are today and if you are really honest with yourself...you'll come up lacking.
As for Sifu Abel...no beef, no comment, never seen you do your thing and respect you for what you have done and said here but to take up with the likes of Ross ( I will not suffer the ultimate indignity and call him Sifu) just lowers yourself.

a jrcsterism (those who know me this is a shout out to y'all)
Ross is nothing but a straga!!!! LOL

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07-04-2000, 08:13 AM

you are the one who has no name and talks tough from behind the keyboard. You really want to fight me? No excuses please, video tape it and we can give the tape to anyone who wants. We can have witnesses. But we both know you would rather lurk and talk trash.
You are going to humiliate me, that is your claim. So come and do it. And we'll have witnesses and video tape so you can prove it.

You learned very well from your sifu, challenge someone then back out with many excuses. you want to look tough but you have no substance.

My school's victories are well documented and people all up and down the east coast have seen them fighting. I've trained champions in fighting, in forms and in weapons. Obviously I know what I am doing. Not to mention very famous and respected masters have given me thumbs up many times. NACMAF ranked me the #4 forms player only behind Hung Stewart, Doc Fai Wong's son, and Daniel Tomazaki. But I suppose you know much better LOL!

I laugh at you because you are pathetic.

Je Lei Sifu
07-04-2000, 08:57 AM

Hung Stewart, excellant Hung Fut.

Daniel Tomazaki, Excellant Choy Lay Fut.

Jason Wong????????? Choy Lay Fut??????

Je Lei Sifu

07-04-2000, 11:26 AM
You laugh, because you're scared. No other reason. You laugh so you can chase those little butterflies away. You acknowledge my posts because in the little folds you call a brain you know there is someone out there that knows you for the ******* and the fraud you really are.
Who cares what/who you trained, I just said that you make yourself bigger than what you are.
As for me fighting you, ha you nothing but a small program that cannot afford any commercials.
Again I have seen you compete and perform and to use the first word of your last post...YAWN.
As for me knowing a lot better...I DO.
I know that you are a pathetic excuse for a man, a teacher, and a human being.
You talk all the trash you want Finster, just remember WE KNOW.............

07-04-2000, 11:35 AM

Just out of curiousity, who are you and what do you study? Simple question simple answer. No flames, just the facts. You seem to have a personal beef with Sifuross, thats your business. Since your making this public its only fair you tell us who you are.

07-04-2000, 12:41 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by lkfmdc:

Obviously I know what I am doing. Not to mention very famous and respected masters have given me thumbs up many times. NACMAF ranked me the #4 forms player only behind Hung Stewart, Doc Fai Wong's son, and Daniel Tomazaki. But I suppose you know much better LOL!
ross - why are you so arrogent? Seems to me like you are trying to prove you are somebody, much the way a bully tries to prove he is tough. Every other word in your post is how great you are.

Because I have seen you perform, let me ask you this: At the nacmaf function, how many competitors where there? four? So you place fourth out of four. Oh, i'm sure your invovlement with nacmaf didn't influence the judges either. By the way who were the judges? Your teacher,friend, student?

Yes, as you can tell I really have seen you perform before, and like wongsifu, I was not impressed. But that is my opnion and I would encourage anyone else to observe you perform personally and form their own opnion.

May they have a good laugh too.

Before anyone gets on a high horse and starts to critize me about this post, how about ross' attack on paulie zink? Why does it seem some people can be attack and others not? Fair is fair.

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07-04-2000, 01:29 PM
To Sifu Abel, who I am and my style, well all I can say is that, 1) No disrespect intended, its none of your concern, reasons being someone could get hurt,(not me but someone who is, let me say being used and not respected for what they brought to the table).
I am here to make sure ross doesn't fool anyone into believing that he is this great guru of kung fu.
I'm close enough to know what is really going on and am ashamed of the mockery this man has done to martial arts.
If you are a friend of his hey thats on you.
Like I said I have no beef with you whatsoever and have respected a lot you have posted here.
All I ask is you leave it alone for now...thing will be made clear in due time.
The circle will be complete.
Conan..........thank you for your commentary, it just shows that I'm not the only one who knows whats going on here.

07-04-2000, 10:34 PM
Conan, a new member who suddenly joined today right after Gojira signed off and posted in support of Gojira. Could they be the same person??? Please be more original.

Anyone who ever attended the NACMAF events knows that the advanced southern long hand divisions were HUGE. I competed against 40 competitors and have the video and pictures to prove it. The judges included Tat Mau Wong, YC Won, as well as other well known teachers. So much for your nonsense.

Gojira, your attempts to mysterious are very funny. You won't reveal who you are because you are a TROLL. Your refusal to identify yourself proves you are not what you claim and, as I said before, you learned very well from your sifu. Make a challenge and then back as quickly as possilbe out of it with excuses.

If you want me, you know where to find me...

07-04-2000, 10:42 PM
Your last post ross proves to me, beyond a shadow of a doubt, that you are the world biggest ******* that has ever existed.
1) I am not Conan, I do not know who Conan is but I have a idea.
2)Troll....hmmmm I do like goat,.....I have been know to hang out under bridges from time to time.....so ok I'll give ya that one.
3) As for my Sifu, I honestly think your reaching just trying to bring him into this, you can bait me all you want, call me all the names you want, but I know you for what you are andyou know what.......I'm getting to you LOL
4)I'm closer to you than you know.
5)What makes you think that I have never been to you school before?

boogie boogie LOL

07-04-2000, 10:49 PM
yap yap yip yip

talk is cheap
you want me, come and get me

07-05-2000, 12:03 AM
Hmmm, I am wondering if Gojira is a former student of Ross'? If so, then the comment about him learning well from his Sifu certainly applies.

But go ahead and continue to do your internet posturing.... It's fun to watch /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

07-05-2000, 12:36 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>
4)I'm closer to you than you know.
5)What makes you think that I have never been to you school before?

boogie boogie LOL[/B][/quote]

AHHHH!! A disgruntled student. Yawn......

07-05-2000, 04:01 AM
Student?....one has to have someone who knows how to teach first.....maybe I am a current student and has finally after all these years got tired of this man's bull****!

07-05-2000, 06:14 AM
You can't spar "lethal" techniques. You can learn them, but you can't really do them in sparring. Also how do you really know if what your instructor shows you is correct? Has he gone and killed a few people to test his "lethal" techniques out? The only way to really learn this kind of stuff is from people who have done it and then it's still a crap shoot at best until you've been blooded.

Also, what the heck are you "lethal" technique guys training for anyway? Do you plan on taking out some drug cartel honchos, street gangs or international terrorists empty handed? Get a life and learn some skills you might actually use effectivly in a fight.

07-05-2000, 08:01 AM
In another post you claim you are a praying mantis student, so at least try and be consistent. You talk a lot of babble but if you want anyone here to take you seriously why not identify yourself?

You are nothing but an internet troll who is talking a lot of trash, none of which you can back up. So give it up already.

07-05-2000, 09:34 AM
*cough* bicker *cough* bicker *cough* bicker.

Umm, Gogira or whatever the hell your name is:

"You strut around here like the cock on the walk thinking that your are the best at what you do, and on one level you are, you write the longest and most inane posts I have ever seen"

Lets think about this shall we? If Ifdmc or whatever the hell his name is really sux, what exactly are you comparing him to? Jet Li? Bruce Lee? Samo Hung? Jackie Chan? It really seems to me that you are a fake. Correct me if I'm wrong, but just because someone's technique is not honed enough as yours is, doesn't mean they suck.

Sure, I bet you saw him - holding your 10 pound box of buttered popcorn in your 2 inch thick fingers in the stands. Dude, I think its time for you to take some pills because that FAKE meter has just inserted itself neatly into your FAT @ss.

Underaged Drunken Monkey

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07-05-2000, 10:09 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lkfmdc:
Conan, a new member who suddenly joined today right after Gojira signed off and posted in support of Gojira. Could they be the same person??? Please be more original.
If you want me, you know where to find me...[/quote]


ross - no i am not Gojira. However, it seems we share the same opinion of you.

Why do you feel a need to name-drop? Every opportunity you get, you do it.

As I stated in an earlier post, you are like a bully. You have a need to prove yourself, why is it you always end up challenging your critics?

You like to critize people who you feel have no true skills, yet when you're on the receiving end, you can't take it.

I think anyone with a chance should visit your school and observe you practicing and form their own opinion.

Please don't challange me, I'm only a very low-level practioner with no skill, unlike you, a great sifu.

07-05-2000, 10:46 AM
This is a truly getting GAY...GODZILLA...if you have a beef then go to his school and settle it like a man...whass the point of TROLLING Sifu Ross??? And not everyone on this forum is SICK of Mr. ROSS post...

07-05-2000, 11:10 AM
Yawn, your answer back...
1) Not a praying Mantis student, never did the style, never studied it.
2)HATE POPCORN!!!!! 2 inch fingers nope not at 6'2" and about 240.
3)Gay? Nope love women a bit too much

listen guys this is between ross and myself, I do not have any grudges with anyone else on this board. This man plays himself off as something he is not and all I'm trying to do is remind HIM that there are some people who really know the deal.
Go to his school, please do so, and judge for yourself, see the man in action NOT THE STUDENTS, but him and then tell me he is all that. I have seen him LIVE AND IN COLOUR and it kills me for him to try to play his meglomanic attitude here and fool all you good people.
The man is a spoiled rich kid who can't take it when he is told no or he is not number one.
I have studied for over 15 years and have had in my day, my ass handed to me, more than once, part of the game and I accept that. But this ******* must be ontop, and at the expense of others.
I understand that Conan (who is not me and took me completely by surprise) has seen this man too and is letting you know the deal. If you have seen him compete, then by all means chat away, if not, please go and see then get back with me to agree or to insult. I am man enough to take anything told to me.

07-05-2000, 12:02 PM
This is brilliant
Beverly hills 90210 meets UFC. /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

Just kidding, but seriously i am dying to find out who gojira is

07-05-2000, 09:51 PM
Gojira has attempted to hide his identity all this time yet I was still able to find a picture of him on line

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have a nice day /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

07-06-2000, 01:27 AM
LOL finally ross did something funny (other than perform) Cute, the lips and beard ya got but work on the eye colour and hair...BTW no pierceings hmmmmmm but close.
LOL, You see I can take a joke, you know on the next post I send a pic just to keep everybody happy LOL

07-06-2000, 02:17 AM
Here I am!!!!!


07-06-2000, 05:28 AM
Ok, guys. Gojira and Conan, you have said some pretty nasty stuff to Sifu Ross. You even questioned his "humanity"... to put it more nicely. So, to enlighten readers of this thread.

I am reading a May96 article of Inside Kung-Fu by Mr. Ross. It is on Lama Kung-Fu. It seems good but is a little beyond my grasp of CMA's. I have been to his website and personally viewed his posts promoting the tourneys that he hosts. He trained a little(Neither of them tell me about it...?) with My Sifu in Shuai Chuai. BTW, my Sifu also defended Lama Kung-fu after Wolfblades slander of the art. In my book, this makes him more credible in my eyes then someone who just says "He sucks.", then give NO SPECIFIC reason.

I have one gripe about you, Mr. Ross. When I was first asking you about San Shou, you thought I was baiting you. Truth be told, it was your posts that got me interested in San Shou in the first place. Just recently, you never answered my bloody question in the kick boxing thread. I rephrased it three different times and then I see you answer the question in another inquiry on San Shou and grappling!?!?! I get the feeling that you think I am trying to set you up!?!? I dont like games and I dont play them with people. You know, its just a feeling I get when I spend 1500 words asking you a question and you disregard it entirely. /infopop/emoticons/icon_frown.gif Not cool.

The reason I ask that Gojira and Conan explain this is because you have posted this on a public forum and I would like to hear your specific grievance. If not, you dont have to post anymore, we get the point. You dont like Sifu Ross because he "sucks". I am a rational person and that doesn't strike me as a logical grievance.

This is not a flame, it is just a logical post from me.

07-06-2000, 06:05 AM
My response to Arioch7:
Hello there and I am going to scare everyone by posting in a more serious manner, so here we go.
My gripe against ross is he slams people about deadly tech. when truth be told the Lama system is known for its lethal strike to various parts of the human anatomy. So when he says this and also claims that he is the know all and end all when it comes to the lama system, it gives me hives.
The man has no FLAVOUR when he performs his art, I can say this and Conan claims this due to the fact we have seen him do his thing.(Not that I remember a 6'6" cimmerian hanging out at the tourney)Also from what I understand ross COPYRIGHTED Lama kung fu.....?!?!?! how does someone do this and not disrespect those who came before him. If the system was TRULY handed down to this man, that would have not been needed.
Also the way that ross does his lama (doesn't that sound obscene?) it is a bit different from other lama stylist that I have seen. (Been in martial arts over 15 year so I think I can tell what is ok and what really sucks). So I suspect ross may have tailored the style, not sure but a PERSONAL belief.
ross also suffers from napoleonic complex has to be the best by making everything around him worse by his say so.
My identity I will not reveal at this time, well lets just say for the sake of the health of a good old man.
even his website shows his sickness, Sifu Ventura, who is chief instructor has a little bio, while ross a underling if I ever saw one, has a bio with pictures and links just patting himself on tthe back so to speak.
If the man was a sifu of any magnitude....this would not be needed, the best teachers in all my years of being in the art never ever had to toot his own horn.
So anioch7 I implore you...go to his school and see what he has to offer and I really believe that you will understand why Conan and myself feel the way we do.

07-06-2000, 07:17 AM
Well, that was certainly an informed post. Thanks for giving me this info.

I have been looking at the Bios in question and it seems to me if Sifu Ventura is respected by you, then his school should be as well. I know real life doesn't neccesarily work this way as I have left schools because of disagreements and still held a deep and abiding respect for the head teacher.

The copyright issue does bother me a little bit but I would have to hear Sifu Ross's reason why he chose to copyright Lama Kung-Fu. I could think of certain legal reasons but the basic idea of copyrighting systems makes me uneasy.

Very interesting post.

Hey, they both hold rankings in Korean styles so they cant be all bad, LOL! /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

07-06-2000, 08:22 AM

07-06-2000, 08:55 AM
Thanks, I know certain people will freak when they read that alst post, but I do it just to prove that I can be a respectable troll LOL

07-06-2000, 10:43 AM
I am not at all sure why I am bothering to answer this but I am so here it goes.

1. Lethal is an open ended term. A kick to the head can and HAS killed plenty of people. It isn't a secret technique, isn't confined to Chinese martial art and certainly doesn't rely upon chi, special powers what have you.

If you don't spar, don't train with contact, etc and can't even deal with the 4 basic punches of boxing, how are you going to use any of the advanced kung-fu material?

The Lama system, something I certainly know a lot about as I learned it directly from Sifu Chan Tai-San, is a lethal system but not based upon secrets or tricks. Since it's inception, and certainly highlighted by Wong Yan Lam's challenges at the beginning of the century, Lama has been about real fighting, getting in there and doing it.

Lama is also a so called bread and butter system. Most of its techniques are the long range punches, elbows, knees, low line kicks and the throws. NOT so called secret or deadly techniques which can not be tested.

If you don't think this is the traditional view, please examine the TRADITIONAL structure of the system. You beging with shooting star first, progress to flying crane hands, and after YEARS of study only then even try to fight with the Nei Lahk Sau.

If you do indeed know anything about the system, this sequence tells you how the past generations wanted people trained.

2. Gojira, regardless of who he is, is no judge of me. I have the endorsement of my sifu which by itself is more than enough. I could then go further and note that I have the endorsement of Sifu Lei Fei San in Canton China. He is the highest ranking Lama person in the world. I've also spent time with Lama teacher Wong Ching, and high ranking Hop Ga and White Crane teachers. They have also given me thumbs up so to speak.

Opinion is objective to a degree, but whose opinion has more weight? High ranking and respected people in the tradition or Gojira? Maybe he doesn't know as much as he thinks he does about the sytem.

3. I did not copyright, WE copyrighted. That is Sifu Steve Ventura, Sifu Stephen Innocenzi and I. We are the three senior adopted disciples of Master Chan. And we only copyrighted our name. Lama, Tibetan Lama, Lama Pai, Maht Jong Lama Pai, Sae Jong Lama Pai etc are open terms anyone and everyone can and does use.

Why did we do it? To put it delicately, what we do is unique. Our version is different than say David Chins'. Our version is what Sifu Chan Tai-San wanted taught, how he wanted it taught. Others were claiming what they did was the same. So we protected ourselves which is our right. If you don't like it, well, I'm sorry. But we protected ourselves and Sifu Chan did and does approve of it which is all that should matter.
4. Gojira, whatever his experience, can at best, by his own admition, state that his views are a "a PERSONAL belief". A guy who won't even identify himself would like you all to believe that he knows more about Lama than Sifu Chan Tai-San, Sifu Wong Ching, Sifu Lei Fei San, Sifu Chan Hak Fu, Sifu Leung Kwan, etc.

Yeah, sure, call that name dropping. My point is that those people think my Lama is good as opposed to Gojira. I'm satisfied with the first crowd's opinion.

And we this I am truly done with this entire discussion.

07-06-2000, 01:14 PM
Then again ross, you have no conception on what I know about the system and what I know about you.
You know what, this is for all those out there who can get to this dimwit's school.
It is in NYC on W 24 St between 5th and 6th ave. near the back entrance to the Mason's building. (BTW La samana inn is also on that block and for a semi decent price one can get a room with a jaccuzzi)
I beg, grovel, plead, implore, **** it just get your asses over there and check him out. Not the students, but ross himself, if he is all that then flames me till I drop, I'll take it like a man, but if not....just post to your heart's delight what you acually saw.
Like I said before, I have NO BEEF with anyone out here but with ross.
Back to the copyright issue, on your website it was posted that the lama that is taught there is your 'Intepretation' of the style.
EXCUSE ME, but if someone is looking to study a style as old and rare as lama I would think they would want to learn what was handed down (if it was) not a 'intepretation'.
I know I'd be a bit upset, because then it wouldn't be the real system now would it?
Now if ross posts after this ( he did say he was done) I'm sure he would type up some symantics and use big words to twist things around.
If you talk tradition, then **** it TEACH TRADITION! and don't sit around knocking techniques that have been handed down from the beginning because 'they cannot be used on a everyday basis'.
And ross earn your respect don't go around patting yourself and bragging about your school, or in some cases bullying to get it, (rich kids are famous for that).
We will meet up one day ross, that I promise and it will be a day where it can be neutral ground, and in front of a large group of people so no one can dispute the outcome.
I choose my battle with care, why? you'll say coward, no balls, whatever.
Where I come from its called smarts,stragety, planning.
Mayamoto Musashi was considered a genius when it came to tactics, so was Sze.
I have a infinite amount of patience and my time will come, for in the end, no one will remember how the fight was fought, they will only remember who won and how bad the loser looked.
And BTW finster...don't worry YOU WILL SEE IT COMING.

Troll the Lama Violator.........

07-06-2000, 03:41 PM
[QUOTE]Originally posted by Arioch7:
[B] Ok, guys. Gojira and Conan, you have said some pretty nasty stuff to Sifu Ross. You even questioned his "humanity"... to put it more nicely. So, to enlighten readers of this thread.

I am reading a May96 article of Inside Kung-Fu by Mr. Ross. It is on Lama Kung-Fu. It seems good but is a little beyond my grasp of CMA's. I have been to his website and personally viewed his posts promoting the tourneys that he hosts. He trained a little(Neither of them tell me about it...?) with My Sifu in Shuai Chuai. BTW, my Sifu also defended Lama Kung-fu after Wolfblades slander of the art. In my book, this makes him more credible in my eyes then someone who just says "He sucks.", then give NO SPECIFIC reason.

Arioch7: My problem with ross is his attitude, the man thinks his feces don't stink. He feels he can insult anyone, but g*d forbid feel that he isn't g*d's gift to kung fu.

Look at what he wrote about Paulie Zink on various posts:

"And don't EVER take Zink as a rep of the system!"

"Horse hockey, Zink is simply a fraud. He does not do the Dai SIng Pek Gwa system and disrespects the real grandmaster, Chan Sau Chung. He has committed a crime, plagarizing Sifu Chan's book and calling it his own. And Zink can not fight his way out of a wet paper bag"

Remember, Paulie Zink has been featured in Inside Kung Fu in the past, just like ross. Yet no one besides myself and Gojira has a problem with ross mouthing off.

As I and Gojira have stated in the past check out his school, look at ross practice, see if he's as good as he comes off as.

07-07-2000, 12:08 AM
Well, good points all around. I dont know Zink from a hole in the wall so I cant really comment on that.

Sifu Ross, I didn't say that the copyright idea was bad, I just said it made me feel uncomfortable. Now that you have explained it, thats cool.

Hmm, well people, I only have one way to judge posters on this forum and that is by whatit is that they say. I like the fact that Sifu Ross will spar anyone that comes to his studio. He has also answered my questions in the past to my satisfaction.

Ok, that about wraps this topic up. As for the original intent of the post. I think that deadly techniques exist. To say that one can not spar full contact BECAUSE of "deadly techniques" is absurd.

Thats it, I'm done.

07-07-2000, 02:49 AM
That was another thing that bugs me, in 1984 ross was a student in the Bronx H.S. of science and in 1986 he is writing articles in kung fu magazine about Lama style like he was an expert.
Now from what I understood about Lama it would take quite a while before anyone would be an expert. Learning the forms alone I would think would take 2 1/2 to 3 years, let alone master them, unless ross was way ahead of the learning curve.
And considering if I remember correctly ( I could be wrong) he stated he was a hung gar master before he learn Lama. If this is the case this man must have started when he was 5 years old.
Maybe....but I doubt it

TROLL: The Lama Molester

07-07-2000, 06:12 AM
Gojira, if you are at all a reasonable person you will read this post and understand that what you have stated in your last post is in fact not correct.

The very first time I ever appeared in any magazine was in 1989, not 1986. Carl Albright, certainly no supporter of mine, has this magazine and can verify that the first article I was in was that year. As I had met Sifu Chan Tai-San in 1986, I had three years of training under my belt at the time this article was published and in this article I did not call myself sifu at all. It was an information piece, pure and simple. My name is only mentioned as a student. I don't think it is much of a big leap just to write about a style you do after 3 years of study.

Second, I have never called myself a Hung Ga master. I completed Gung Jih Fook Fu, Fu Hok Seung Ying, Sahp Ying Kuen and Tit Sin and the pole and butterfly sword form with my sifu at the age of 17 and was thus given permission to teach. That was after 5 years of study (one year basics, one year each hand form). Not at all unusual.

So, you see, your information is not correct and your characterization of me thus also not correct.

07-07-2000, 06:16 AM
Anyone can verify the first article appeared in 1989, it appeared in the October 1989 issue, vol 16 no 10

07-07-2000, 06:41 AM
Mea culpa, hit the wrong key in the keyboard, almighty ross is right I made a typo boo boo.
regardless *******, what I say about your as a person is dead on
pitiful little lama
Question, why are you mentioning Carl Albright for I do not know this man, I have heard enough about him but really have no association with him, yet you try to link me with him.
PLEASE stop with the name dropping, tis a waste of time donkey.
Stop twitching little lama, will will meet anon and hopefully I will not be charged with assault when its said and done.

07-07-2000, 06:49 AM
Hh please, I mention Carl Albright because you claim to know everything about me yet made a HUGE error in stating I was in a magazine in 1986. And Carl Albright, who certainly would side with you on most things, will clearly tell you the year was 1989. YOu try and make it look like I wrote an article after not studying at all when in fact I was studying TCMA for YEARS.

You act like I'm afraid of you, you're a fool. Anytime, anyplace I've said over and over again. You won't even give us a real name. Who is afraid of who? Put up or shut up.

It is grossly obvious that everything you THINK you know about me comes from rumors. You know nothing about me. I laugh because you repeat rumors about me that are not true, clearly telling me you know nothing at all.

07-07-2000, 06:59 AM
Again at 17 you were allowed to teach hung gar yet when I saw you at about 25 your tiger crane ABSOLUTLEY SUCKED!
How could anyone in their right mind let you teach Hung gar, if at 25 you looked like ****, I could only imagine what it looked like at 17 and you were allowed to teach, must have been a severe shortage of teachers at that time.
As for the mistake of the 86 article, i'm sorry I was Misunderstood some info I received on that subject and duly apologize, what I ment to say several post ago on another thread you mentioned that you were given permission to teach in the mid 80's but you were still in HS. I just don't believe considering the skill level that i saw years later when you were in your mid 20's

07-07-2000, 07:16 AM
Enlighten us all as to where you saw me doing tiger and crane? At least you might convince someone you aren't talking out of your ass. Some people have seen me compete (Carl Albright for one, and I'm sure he remembers which form he saw me do). You know, you attempt to convince people you know me yet so far EVERYTHING you have posted has been WRONG!. You are digging a huge hole for yourself, don't you realize. YOu have Assumed that the rumors you have heard are fact!

07-07-2000, 07:40 AM
You know, your nothing but a ignorant pig squealing savage. You do not responded to any of my other points cause you have nothing to back them up with. I have given you school such press I'm sure people will be knocking down your doors.
You want to know in the worst way who I am, but I'm not telling you at this time. I want you in a neutral place, with unbias judges of my chosing. I'm not going to your school, you have too much of an advantage there, call me coward, I say smart.
You are not going to set me up.
Like I said before my pathetic little lama, You will see it coming and feel it too, but when I decide its going to happen.
You'll get a sporting chance that I promise.
Not that you will do much with it.

hugz and kisses

TROLL: The Lama Molester

07-07-2000, 08:00 AM
You really don't get it. I don't care who you are. I already know you are nothing. You pump your chest up but there is no substance. I've offered you neutral ground and you've still refused.

You talk tough but you are a pathetic dweeb who will never face me and by now the whole board here knows it.

have a nice day /infopop/emoticons/icon_smile.gif

07-07-2000, 08:17 AM
Your school, numb nutz is not neutral ground.
Dweeb?!?!? ha have you looked in a mirror lately dick? If anyone looks like he king of the nerds its you *******.
I'm 6'2" about 240lbs and far from a dweeb, A troll maybe, (I do shamble a lot) but not a dweeb. Oh trust me we will meet, I will not pass this plane of existance without stepping to you once again.
BTW Why does your lama seem to have a very heavy Choy Lei Fut influence?
You know once you decided teach your "version" of Lama kung fu, you forever turned your back on what the founder of the system tried to pass down.
Inheriter of the Lama system indeed.....


07-07-2000, 08:44 AM
Funny how everyone on the internet claims to be 6' 2" and 240 lbs. I probably imagine you are 240 lbs but more likely 5' 2". Yap yap yip yip, small dog barking.

"Once again"? Again you try and infer we've fought and we have not. You've never met me. You are a silly little idiot sitting at home on mommy's computer. Go download some porn as the is as close to woman as you will ever get.

You don't know ANYTHING about Lama. You have apparently been in NY and heard the same BS rumor and gossip that infects the martial arts community here but EVERYTHING you post proves that is all you know.

I offered you several options that did not include my school and you still backed down. You are the one who is afraid. It is so apparent in everything you post now. I'm 5' 8" and 185 lbs and you claim to be a monster, why be afraid of me?


07-07-2000, 09:00 AM
If I didn't know lama, or what GOOD LAMA looked like why would I tell the ENTIRE board here to go see you in action. YOu have not ONCE invited anyone to see you, (insecure) So stop with the postureing and get you self a real fighting heart.
and to be honest I really wanted to be 6'8" or so but nature didn't work with me *******.
I AM 6'2" no reason to lie about that and at 240lbs I could stand to lose a few pounds. You are praying that I was 5'2" but even if that were true, seeing how powerful and intimidating you lama is, I wouldn't and am not scared of the pitiful little lama.
You would probably do better against me using Choy Lei Fut, but I doubt it.


[This message has been edited by Gojira (edited 07-08-2000).]

07-07-2000, 09:04 AM
Blah blah, yip yip yap yap

How about this, why don't you prove you aren't a complete fraud by telling mantis boxer who you are and sending him a tape of you in action? Or are you so paranoid you think I am him?

Or how about this, want to fight me on a Lou Neglia card? Send me a name and address and Lou Neglia will even pay you for the priviledge.

Ball's in your court troll

07-07-2000, 09:19 AM
Wasn't you the one who thought,
A) I was with Carl Albright
B) That I was Conan
As for Mantis Boxer never talked to him on this board.
I'll think of something, trust me pillow biter.
BTW you must not read very well, I SAID A PLACE OF MY CHOICE!!!!! slapnutz.
I will not cater to your whims, Ball is in my court and this is my game. The goal of the exercise is to show everybody here that you are a eunuch nothing more, nothing less.
I have to think of a humiliating action you willagree to do when you lose.
And I'll even be nice, you can fight me, compete form against me or even both.
I'll plan it out and let you know.
And before you say "Look he is backing down" I say nope just setting the table before dinner.

[This message has been edited by Gojira (edited 07-08-2000).]

07-07-2000, 09:33 AM
You won't let mantis boxer know who you are or give him a tape of your wonderful kung fu.

You won't fight me on a completely neutral ground, in front of tons of witnesses.

I think by now the whole board can see who is the eunuch, clearly you.

I've clearly made my case. If you ever grow a set, you know where to find me.

internet challenge #4,632,053
actual matches as a result 0

[This message has been edited by lkfmdc (edited 07-08-2000).]

07-07-2000, 11:01 AM
<BLOCKQUOTE><font size="-1">quote:</font><HR>Originally posted by lkfmdc:

Second, I have never called myself a Hung Ga master. I completed Gung Jih Fook Fu, Fu Hok Seung Ying, Sahp Ying Kuen and Tit Sin and the pole and butterfly sword form with my sifu at the age of 17 and was thus given permission to teach. That was after 5 years of study (one year basics, one year each hand form). Not at all unusual.


ross - are you a compulsive liar? Perhaps you're like Clinton, sure, you may not have called yourself a hung ga master, but you have called yourself a sifu.

Please read the following quote from you: the topic, let's play a game (re san shou) started by je lei sifu:

"Wongsifu cited Hung Ga and san shou supposed lack of many of it's techniques. It's a wonderful trap I wish I could have actually consciously set but actually I can take no credit. It's just a coincidence. I was a sifu in Tang Fung Hung Ga before I ever met Chan Tai San. So let's look at Fu Hok Seung Yihng, an important set in Hung Ga, and see how much of what is in the form can not be done in San Shou."

How are you gonna weasle yourself out of this one? Wait don't tell me, you're gonna challange me to fight, you're gonna tell me how highly respected you are, you're gonna curse at me and tell me how i know nothing...

You love dishing it out, but you don't like it coming back do u.

[This message has been edited by Conan (edited 07-10-2000).]

07-07-2000, 12:19 PM
ok so im not the only one who was following these posts, how come you guys always seem to end up on the net at the same time arguing ?
Well keep up the good work guys

07-08-2000, 01:58 AM
Hello!!!!!!!! Anybody out there????!?!?!
ross are you a complete ******* or what. When did I post that I would never fight you?
NEVER, I will fight you under my terms, UNDERSTAND DICKWAD, mine mine mine.
Not yours or anything you propose only cause I have no trust in you.
Oh BTW nice comeback Conan,
Anyhow I will let you no little lama, and we will see who backs off, so do me a favor and stop yapping like a puppie in heat.

TROLL: The ***** Slapper of Ignorant, Inbred, Insecure, Insignificant Lamas

07-18-2000, 03:14 AM
BTW did anyone notice that ross never responded to Conan's last thread?
And I'm a Troll?

TROLL: Violater of humbled, inbred, gentically screwed up lamas.

07-18-2000, 05:42 AM
Ok i want to see this so I will propose a neutral ground. How about Columbus Park in Chinatown? you all have to agree that it is full of kung fu people so it is an appropriate place. If that is too public for you two Masters for fear of showing your secret techniques then how about you both name a few sifus each and from that list you two must be able to come up with a sifu you both trust.

07-18-2000, 05:52 AM
LOL All I'm avoiding is litigation against me after the fight.
I'm looking into a neutral site.
I am also looking into how I want this fight to be (rule wise).
Heck I'll go form against form (empty hand/weapon or both)
Or a sparring match full contact, no gloves, no pads kinda thingy. (traditional)
or even both, but one I get the site that I'm happy with I'll post it and let everybody know.

If you have nothing to do, don't do it here!

Water Dragon
07-18-2000, 06:51 AM
I vote to retire this thread. Any seconds?

KrAzy FiLiPino
07-18-2000, 09:17 AM
I second that. It has turned into another "Ross vs. Albright" thread, which we all know in the end won't go anywhere. Mr. Ross big ups on the pic of Gojira though. /infopop/emoticons/icon_biggrin.gif



[This message has been edited by KrAzy FiLiPino (edited 07-19-2000).]